Let's All Laugh At... Let's all laugh at Liverpool thread

KILLA_SIN

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I dont disagree with that, but they have aims of going for the title, and I dont think any amount of coaching can turn that lot into a title winning defence.

They're badly coached, which is Klopps responsibility, but so is noticing that their defenders will never be good enough to let them compete for the title.
Not strengthening their defence in the summer is truly baffling, maybe he was hoping on scoring their way to the title...never gonna happen.
A lot of posters thought that Rose/Walker lacked the sufficient quality to be coached into good defenders but a good coach can always improve players. I just don't think Klopp cares about defending
 

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Lovren was so isolated for those first two goals, it's so rare, if at all, that you see any of our defenders put in that position. & Klopp hung him out to dry when he should be the one taking responsibility for not setting his team up properly.
 

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Just read an article about Watford on the BBC website, at the bottom there is a comments section and I came across this gem from someone calling themselves 'Hendergoofyson':
"They are above Liverpool, thats a mark of how good they are that they can be above the champions elect"....
 
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Klopp was a defender though?, and they're making basic defending errors.
Surely the fact he doesn't have a 'defensive coach' means he's taken on this responsibility himself, I can understand goalkeeping coaches as thats an entirely different aspect to the sport.
It just reminds me of a poster on here wanting Glenn Hoddle in as a 'tactical coach' during Pochs early days as we'd drawn a few games.
Their problem is the defenders they have just aren't good enough, and that's on Klopp for not fixing.
Oh I completely agree with that. Klopp should know how to organise a defence for sure. Yet, for some reason it's a shambles. The defenders he has are probably not fit for purpose but I do wonder if it's a combination of system and bad defenders. After all his defensive record as a manager is nothing to write home about.

I was generally responded to your post that coaches shouldn't need specialist coaches to help them as I believe they should draw on any resources or help necessary. Klopp obviously prefers to coach the attacking aspect of the game, therefore he should bring in someone who he can work with on the defensive side.
 

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Oh I completely agree with that. Klopp should know how to organise a defence for sure. Yet, for some reason it's a shambles. The defenders he has are probably not fit for purpose but I do wonder if it's a combination of system and bad defenders. After all his defensive record as a manager is nothing to write home about.

I was generally responded to your post that coaches shouldn't need specialist coaches to help them as I believe they should draw on any resources or help necessary. Klopp obviously prefers to coach the attacking aspect of the game, therefore he should bring in someone who he can work with on the defensive side.
 

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I have loads of Liverpool fans in my under 11 squad.

In training tonight, every time they did something wrong I said "just like watching Liverpool".

No word of a lie though, the lads who support Liverpool don't want to know anything about tackling or defending, just want to stand upfield and wait for the ball. I keep telling them they should start watching a proper football team.
 

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The problem at Liverpool is not the defence but the cavalier attitude of the manager in getting his midfield and fullbacks to bomb on with no protection for Maroon and Lovren. Lovren in fact was such a good defender under Poch at Southampton that Liverpool were happy to pay 20 million. It's down to the manager and how you they fit players into their system. Alderweireld would struggle in that Liverpool team.
 

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The problem at Liverpool is not the defence but the cavalier attitude of the manager in getting his midfield and fullbacks to bomb on with no protection for Maroon and Lovren. Lovren in fact was such a good defender under Poch at Southampton that Liverpool were happy to pay 20 million. It's down to the manager and how you they fit players into their system. Alderweireld would struggle in that Liverpool team.
Sorry, Matip
 

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The problem at Liverpool is not the defence but the cavalier attitude of the manager in getting his midfield and fullbacks to bomb on with no protection for Maroon and Lovren. Lovren in fact was such a good defender under Poch at Southampton that Liverpool were happy to pay 20 million. It's down to the manager and how you they fit players into their system. Alderweireld would struggle in that Liverpool team.
Dortmund are like that now though. They were suicidal against us.
 

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I really don´t believe it is down to the quality of the defenders at their disposal. They overcommit players forward without the support from DM we get from Dier/Vic. Both wingbacks at times, and leave Lovren and Matip to deal with counters. For some reason they often stay flat instead of offering support when the other goes into a duel.
It´s basically what would have happened to us back in the day if BAE and Walker pushed up high and Vertonghen lost an arial duel without dawson cutting in behind him. You would have the comical images of Huddlestone and Dawson trying to catch a speedy forward...
Henderson Lovren/Matip show us how horrible that would have been almost on a weekly basis
Yep I agree. Their fullback were far too high up the pitch on Saturday. It was like they were playing with 2 wingers on each side at some points. We looked outnumbered in our own half because of it but because they had no defensive midfielders in there they had no cover in behind them.

That's the manager's fault 100%. He didn't change it throughout the game and it's one of the reasons they lost the game. I bet he doesn't change it for their next game either.

How they play actually reminds me of us under sherwood when we had Paulinho and chadli in central midfield. It's just bad management and coaching. I wouldn't be surprised that if they continue in a bad run of form that we hear of the players get pissed off with it and murmers of that trickling out in the media.
 

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Yep I agree. Their fullback were far too high up the pitch on Saturday. It was like they were playing with 2 wingers on each side at some points. We looked outnumbered in our own half because of it but because they had no defensive midfielders in there they had no cover in behind them.

That's the manager's fault 100%. He didn't change it throughout the game and it's one of the reasons they lost the game. I bet he doesn't change it for their next game either.

How they play actually reminds me of us under sherwood when we had Paulinho and chadli in central midfield. It's just bad management and coaching. I wouldn't be surprised that if they continue in a bad run of form that we hear of the players get pissed off with it and murmers of that trickling out in the media.
Yeah that's true and definitely a concern for them. Coutinho wanted out in the summer, that'll only get worse the longer they are stuck in mid-table or below the CL places.

It's quite humorous that last season they wore the record against the top 5 as a badge of achievement, so far this season us and City have put 9 past them whilst their struggles to break defensive teams down has continued.

The other funny thing is that their troubles don't start and end with the defence. I've seen plenty of Pool fans say "Once we get the defence sorted we'll be rite la'" except that isn't the full story. They've hardly been prolific, they have no real talisman who gets 20+ goals a season so they are overly reliant on their AMs to all get 10+ a season. The problem is AMs generally lack the consistency to score enough goals, they only really have purple patches because they specialise in creating the chances, not finishing them.

Look at Salah, a fine attacking player who causes lots of problems and gets into lots of scoring positions, however he is far from prolific and misses loads of one and ones and chances that are bread and butter for the likes of Kane, Morata, Batshuayi, Lukaku, Jesus and Aguero.

Their fans don't get it. There are many failures with Klopp's team.
 

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The problem at Liverpool is not the defence but the cavalier attitude of the manager in getting his midfield and fullbacks to bomb on with no protection for Maroon and Lovren. Lovren in fact was such a good defender under Poch at Southampton that Liverpool were happy to pay 20 million. It's down to the manager and how you they fit players into their system. Alderweireld would struggle in that Liverpool team.
Agree. He keeps making out like it's not his fault he's got rubbish defenders but then surely part of your job as a manager is to set the team up in such as way as to minimize your weaknesses and enhance your strenghts. Finding the balance between the two is basically the minimum requirement for a manager is it not? A bloody 10-year-old could see that if you don't have very good defenders then you need to have midfield players helping them out so they're not as exposed. Instead Klopp has his back 4 but then everyone else is pushed well up so every time the opposition attacks, the back line has to deal with everything on their own which, as you say, most defenders would struggle with let alone the dross they've got.

Also the way he handled himself in the press conference showed a real lack of class. He went right down in my estimations after that.
 

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Thing is with Pool it's not only from counters they are defensively struggling. They have been piss poor from set pieces for ages as well. Corners have been a real problem for them for 2 years as the organisation is just not there. Klopp is far more the issue than any individuals they might have.
 

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Thing is with Pool it's not only from counters they are defensively struggling. They have been piss poor from set pieces for ages as well. Corners have been a real problem for them for 2 years as the organisation is just not there. Klopp is far more the issue than any individuals they might have.


He's not the Messiah! He's a very naughty boy!
 

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Yeah that's true and definitely a concern for them. Coutinho wanted out in the summer, that'll only get worse the longer they are stuck in mid-table or below the CL places.

It's quite humorous that last season they wore the record against the top 5 as a badge of achievement, so far this season us and City have put 9 past them whilst their struggles to break defensive teams down has continued.

The other funny thing is that their troubles don't start and end with the defence. I've seen plenty of Pool fans say "Once we get the defence sorted we'll be rite la'" except that isn't the full story. They've hardly been prolific, they have no real talisman who gets 20+ goals a season so they are overly reliant on their AMs to all get 10+ a season. The problem is AMs generally lack the consistency to score enough goals, they only really have purple patches because they specialise in creating the chances, not finishing them.

Look at Salah, a fine attacking player who causes lots of problems and gets into lots of scoring positions, however he is far from prolific and misses loads of one and ones and chances that are bread and butter for the likes of Kane, Morata, Batshuayi, Lukaku, Jesus and Aguero.

Their fans don't get it. There are many failures with Klopp's team.
If Mane can stay fit (which he seems to have problems with) he'll get around 20 a season from wide midfield and I feel Salah will get at least 15.

So I think attacking-wise they are actually okay as Firminio will also get around 15 and also is good at linking and bringing others into play and allowing them to score.

Coutinho can also chip in with quite a few (whilst he's still there lol).

They also have Solanke who is quite promising as an out and out centre forward option.

I feel their problems are mainly with the defence.

Clyne (once he gets fit) is a very good right-back who I'd gladly take at Spurs.

Roberton looks decent too although Klopp seems to have weirdly decided to give Moreno game time having preferred Milner out of position all last season.

Centre back wise it's hard to say if it's due to lack of ability or their being exposed by the system.

Henderson I'm just not really convinced by. I don't think he's really a defensive midfielder and just seems kinda bang average. Not sure if Cann is any good either.
 
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