Let's all laugh at Liverpool thread

Discussion in 'General Football' started by OmarsComing, Aug 2, 2012.

  1. michaelden

    michaelden Knight of the Fat Fanny

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    He's Phil while he's 1 of the lads, but as soon as he's off he's Coutinho that foreign immigrant, stealing our jobs and living in our mansions ;)
     
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  2. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Just call me Baz

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    Those fuckers in barcelona living in our mansions, ****s.
     
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  3. Gb160

    Gb160 Aggressivity

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    On TS the other day one of them rang up and was serious about instead of a fee for Coutinho, they should do a swap for Tersteggen(spelling), Rakitic, and , you guessed it, Suarez.
    All 3, and he was deadly serious.
     
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  4. Ionman34

    Ionman34 SC Supporter

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    Did you know that Liverpool were £70 million in debt before losing £20 million in 2016? That is with an increase in revenue following the tv deal.

    They’ve since spent a further circa £150 million on two players. The Coutinho deal might balance that, but they’ll need to spend to replace his creativity and goals.

    All told they could be in the region of £150 million in debt if they need further purchases, maybe more if they need to dip into the market for a quality keeper. CL is not going to make a dent in that with the wages they’re paying out on top.

    Whilst I think they could become a force, it is highly dependent on;
    a) VVD actually making a difference to their goals against column,
    b) Keita doing the same,
    c) Finding an adequate replacement for Coutinho,
    d) Rivals not strengthening further.

    The acquisition of VVD is definitely a statement of intent. The price paid is a statement of stupidity IMO, regardless of the inflated cost of players. I also wonder how the likes of Mane are going to react with having a defender on a higher wage than them. Agents will be knocking on Klopp’s door incessantly if his reported wage is correct, particularly if he has a bit of a mare during his “bedding in” period. A £75 million price tag brings its own special brand of pressure and expectation.

    All told I think they are gambling big time, which they’ve been doing for the better part of the last 2 decades. A period that has seen a number of owners bail because they’re a money pit.
     
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  5. Ionman34

    Ionman34 SC Supporter

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    From Coutinho’s POV, if he joins in Jan and plays the remainder of the season, with Barca winning the title, doesn’t he get a winners medal?

    So, bigger wage, playing for Barca (which would pretty much guarantee him a spot in the WC) and a title to his name, against possibly winning an FA Cup (they will not get near the title or CL).

    Not really such a difficult choice when you think about it.
     
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  6. Ionman34

    Ionman34 SC Supporter

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    According to those bastions of reporting truth and accuracy the Daily Mail, the Mirror and the Sun.

    In short, no one really has a clue.

    Besides, If he did act up, it’s not proof that we’d tapped him up, after all we’d already had permission to speak to him from Ajax and an offer had already been made.
     
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  7. piedpiper

    piedpiper Well-Known Member

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    Not into their finances... Yes i agree the fee paid is crazy for Vvd. I raised my brows at the price they paid for Keita... But they bought 3 players at reasonable to market related prices... Coutinho/Mane'/Salah.

    City apart... There are 5 teams vying for 3 CL positions... By seasons end i think they will be in that group.
     
  8. Ionman34

    Ionman34 SC Supporter

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    I think you’re missing my point. Whilst they bought Coutinho at a good price, they look like they’re losing him now, and spent virtually all of it on VVD and Keita at well inflated prices. Add the £40 million for AOC, then whatever they pay for Coutinho’s replacement, the additional wages etc associated with those 4-5 players, plus whatever extra players like Mane et al will likely demand, and you have a money pit that CL participation will not touch. Whilst this might seem like “ambition” at first blush, it is more akin to a panicked gamble to stay relevant rather than a considered build towards competitiveness. They’re not consolidating a top position utilising hard won monies, they’re increasing their debt just to keep up, and there’s no guarantee that they will.

    FSG are repeating what previous owners have done and failed with, which was why they bailed out in the first place.
     
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  9. 'O Zio

    'O Zio Active Member

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    Spot on. They're just throwing money around and hoping it sticks. Trouble is, they're still miles off competing for titles etc. and CL qualification alone isn't enough to finance their spending spree, even after you take into account the money they'll make on Coutinho. Like you say, just smacks of them trying to make a "statement" that they're still one of the big boys.
     
  10. LexingtonSpurs

    LexingtonSpurs Well-Known Member

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    Liverpool apparently playing this season on Football Manager:

    The Anfield club are reportedly set to make a desperate last-ditch attempt to keep Coutinho away from Spain by offering him the captaincy and an improved contract. Mundo Deportivo (in Spanish)
     
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  11. TheChosenOne

    TheChosenOne The only way is up

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    AOC will be trousering about £30 million over the expected 5 year contract - that's some serious moolah.
     
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  12. piedpiper

    piedpiper Well-Known Member

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    I fully understood your point on the. financial aspect of their transfer dealings. Too much emphasis is placed on Coutinho's move... Which may or not happen. I dont think Liverpool are being reckless financially... They a world renowned club who have their finance guys managing that aspect.

    I fully agree on the overspend on the 2 players. You may say that the CL returns are not going to cover for the overspend etc... Im not concerning myself with that. They are going to be more competitive in the league. They would go further in Europe etc and that will bring its own returns.
     
  13. jurgen

    jurgen Busy ****

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    69% wages to turnover on the last accounts suggests they're spending beyond their means already, chasing the dream, given that type of number is more associated with financially troubled clubs (and even West Ham are comfortably less). Maybe their new stand has mitigated that somewhat, who knows.

    They were in the shit before they got bought out last time so they're clearly not infallible financially..
     
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  14. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Just call me Baz

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    Keep saying it. Fsg sooner or later will want their money back.

    Think it's massively important that they don't qualify for champions league this season.
     
  15. HobbitSpur

    HobbitSpur The Voice of Reason

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    If we do not make it to the CL final and Coutinho does go I would love a Barca Liverpool Final.

    Liverpool up by 1 with 5 mins to go. Bring on Coutinho and he bags a brace (one deep into injury time)

    There would be a breakdown of monumental levels
     
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  16. wakefieldyid

    wakefieldyid SC Supporter

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    I'd suggest that it's all to do with cash-flow. Liverpool have committed ~ £170 million to the signings of Keita, Ox, and VVD and their lenders will want to see some certainty that the income from the Coutinho sale is safely in the bank. (Don't forget that at the time that they appointed Roy Hodgson as Manager in 2010, the Hicks/Gillette regime was believed to be about 48 hours away from taking LFC into administration, so football finance still makes lenders nervous.)
     
  17. Chris Finch

    Chris Finch Active Member

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    An excellent plan sir with just two flaws.
    1. Coutinho would be cup tied so can’t play in the champions league for Barca.
    2. Coutinho would be cup tied so can’t play in the champions league for Barca.

    I know that is the same point but I felt it so important that I’d mention it twice
     
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  18. spursfan77

    spursfan77 Well-Known Member

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    I know for one that him and his dad got a fucking ridiculous signing on fee too. Shocking.
     
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  19. Kspur

    Kspur Active Member

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    Love red dwarf.
     
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  20. HobbitSpur

    HobbitSpur The Voice of Reason

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    We were talking hypothetically

    I mean. Liverpool getting to final.............
     
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