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sebo_sek

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This kind of bs really needs to be shamed by everyone, media included.

Not enough financial backing? Compared toooooo...? Man City? PSG?

Compared to the team that just hamstrung you 4-1?

Utter utter bollocks
How much was Sanches?
I rest my case...
 

Trix

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This kind of bs really needs to be shamed by everyone, media included.

Not enough financial backing? Compared toooooo...? Man City? PSG?

Compared to the team that just hamstrung you 4-1?

Utter utter bollocks
How much was Sanches?
I rest my case...
£5 mil more than the Ox who they didn't actually need. I honestly think k Klopp was more concerned about his attacking options from the bench than the overall quality of his starting XI. It amazes me just now many Premier league managers seem to have no idea how to build a squad. They seem to focus far more on individuals, than the collective.
 

sebo_sek

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£5 mil more than the Ox who they didn't actually need. I honestly think k Klopp was more concerned about his attacking options from the bench than the overall quality of his starting XI. It amazes me just now many Premier league managers seem to have no idea how to build a squad. They seem to focus far more on individuals, than the collective.
Luckily for once we can just sit back and enjoy the ride. Imagine, Fergie had that feeling for the best part of 3 decades.
 

wakefieldyid

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Liverpool have the players to be doing a lot better than they are

That's why I think Klopp will be gone by the start of next season
He won't care to be reminded about this, but he was quoted in the press a couple of weeks ago as saying that if he ever lost his belief that he could win the league with LFC, he'd be gone. Nevertheless, the LFC publicity machine can't bring itself to accept that he's not the messianic figure that they promised, so I expect that LFC will now have to pull out all the stops to buy VVD (or another proven PL CB) and watch as Klopp turns him into the next Dejan Lovren.
 

spursfan77

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I thought he could write a book on defending in 2 hours.

Not going to be a best seller though is it?
 

Riandor

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£5 mil more than the Ox who they didn't actually need. I honestly think k Klopp was more concerned about his attacking options from the bench than the overall quality of his starting XI. It amazes me just now many Premier league managers seem to have no idea how to build a squad. They seem to focus far more on individuals, than the collective.
I think almost more importantly, 20m LESS than what they were supposedly going to offer Southampton for van Dijk!

(Not aimed at you Trix!) Don't tell me there aren't affordable options out there, because there a lot of teams who have proven time and again there are. Stop peddling this utter nonsense that unless you are spending City type money, that you cannot compete.

Yes the market is more expensive, yes it's easier if you are Chelsea, City, PSG, but seriously... to say Liverpool have not had financial backing when they spent:
Naby Keita - 48, Mil for a Midfielder they will only get in the summer of 2018
Mo Salah - 39 mil, Attacking midfielder (good player)
Andrew Roberston - 8 Mil, Defender clearly back-up (at least for now)
Dominic Solanke - Tribunal, Striker
Ox Chamberlain - 35M, Midfield... really?!

Soooo... that's 122M outlay for mid->attacking options and 8 on defence. Oh and they recouped all of 5m for Leiva.

But yeah, FSG are not backing their manager.
:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
 

hellava_tough

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I think almost more importantly, 20m LESS than what they were supposedly going to offer Southampton for van Dijk!

(Not aimed at you Trix!) Don't tell me there aren't affordable options out there, because there a lot of teams who have proven time and again there are. Stop peddling this utter nonsense that unless you are spending City type money, that you cannot compete.

Yes the market is more expensive, yes it's easier if you are Chelsea, City, PSG, but seriously... to say Liverpool have not had financial backing when they spent:
Naby Keita - 48, Mil for a Midfielder they will only get in the summer of 2018
Mo Salah - 39 mil, Attacking midfielder (good player)
Andrew Roberston - 8 Mil, Defender clearly back-up (at least for now)
Dominic Solanke - Tribunal, Striker
Ox Chamberlain - 35M, Midfield... really?!

Soooo... that's 122M outlay for mid->attacking options and 8 on defence. Oh and they recouped all of 5m for Leiva.

But yeah, FSG are not backing their manager.
:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

They could also bring in a decent defence coach; could be an established coach or an ex player to help them out with organisation.
 

Gb160

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They could also bring in a decent defence coach; could be an established coach or an ex player to help them out with organisation.
Never understood this, if you can't coach a defence you shouldn't be a manager, its part of the job.
Its like being a footballer and bringing in someone to do your headers for you.
 

rossdapep

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Never understood this, if you can't coach a defence you shouldn't be a manager, its part of the job.
Its like being a footballer and bringing in someone to do your headers for you.
Not sure I agree. Some see themselves more as managers than coaches, and that's perfectly fine. Fergie saw himself as a manager first, manage the players, delegate responsibilities, oversee everything but not necessarily get hands on with every aspect of the coaching. That's why he'd always have a number two to go out their plan sessions and coach the players. I think he even stated that it was this realisation that made him more successful and allowed him to focus on other things?!

Whereas others prefer to run the rule other all aspects of coaching. As long as each understands their strengths and how to maximise the performance of the team then I don't see any issues.
 

Gb160

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Not sure I agree. Some see themselves more as managers than coaches, and that's perfectly fine. Fergie saw himself as a manager first, manage the players, delegate responsibilities, oversee everything but not necessarily get hands on with every aspect of the coaching. That's why he'd always have a number two to go out their plan sessions and coach the players. I think he even stated that it was this realisation that made him more successful and allowed him to focus on other things?!

Whereas others prefer to run the rule other all aspects of coaching. As long as each understands their strengths and how to maximise the performance of the team then I don't see any issues.
Klopp was a defender though?, and they're making basic defending errors.
Surely the fact he doesn't have a 'defensive coach' means he's taken on this responsibility himself, I can understand goalkeeping coaches as thats an entirely different aspect to the sport.
It just reminds me of a poster on here wanting Glenn Hoddle in as a 'tactical coach' during Pochs early days as we'd drawn a few games.
Their problem is the defenders they have just aren't good enough, and that's on Klopp for not fixing.
 

Trix

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Klopp was a defender though?, and they're making basic defending errors.
Surely the fact he doesn't have a 'defensive coach' means he's taken on this responsibility himself, I can understand goalkeeping coaches as thats an entirely different aspect to the sport.
It just reminds me of a poster on here wanting Glenn Hoddle in as a 'tactical coach' during Pochs early days as we'd drawn a few games.
Their problem is the defenders they have just aren't good enough, and that's on Klopp for not fixing.

I guarantee if Big Sam got hold of this same group of plaers the number of basic errors would drop significantly within a month or so.
 

Rodrigonodefendi

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Klopp was a defender though?, and they're making basic defending errors.
Surely the fact he doesn't have a 'defensive coach' means he's taken on this responsibility himself, I can understand goalkeeping coaches as thats an entirely different aspect to the sport.
It just reminds me of a poster on here wanting Glenn Hoddle in as a 'tactical coach' during Pochs early days as we'd drawn a few games.
Their problem is the defenders they have just aren't good enough, and that's on Klopp for not fixing.

I really don´t believe it is down to the quality of the defenders at their disposal. They overcommit players forward without the support from DM we get from Dier/Vic. Both wingbacks at times, and leave Lovren and Matip to deal with counters. For some reason they often stay flat instead of offering support when the other goes into a duel.
It´s basically what would have happened to us back in the day if BAE and Walker pushed up high and Vertonghen lost an arial duel without dawson cutting in behind him. You would have the comical images of Huddlestone and Dawson trying to catch a speedy forward...
Henderson Lovren/Matip show us how horrible that would have been almost on a weekly basis
 

brendanb50

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I guarantee if Big Sam got hold of this same group of plaers the number of basic errors would drop significantly within a month or so.

I thought the same about Everton yesterday. He'll never be a fashionable manager but he's effective.
 

Gb160

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I guarantee if Big Sam got hold of this same group of plaers the number of basic errors would drop significantly within a month or so.
I dont disagree with that, but they have aims of going for the title, and I dont think any amount of coaching can turn that lot into a title winning defence.

They're badly coached, which is Klopps responsibility, but so is noticing that their defenders will never be good enough to let them compete for the title.
Not strengthening their defence in the summer is truly baffling, maybe he was hoping on scoring their way to the title...never gonna happen.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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I think the defensive issues are coaching/system issues more than individual issues. Klopp, and his defenders, like to point out the individual errors that lead to goals - like Lovren. But, all players will make mistakes from time to time. The key to a successful defense is in how the other defenders are in position to help out when one gets beat. That is down to coaching, and training.

And, as others have said, having a proper DM to help shield the back line would help. But, that takes an attacking option off the field and Klopp can't have that...don't tell him that we play with a back 3, wingbacks and DM - and still have outscored Liverpool (We have outscored Liverpool every season since Suarez left....)
 

Trix

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I dont disagree with that, but they have aims of going for the title, and I dont think any amount of coaching can turn that lot into a title winning defence.

They're badly coached, which is Klopps responsibility, but so is noticing that their defenders will never be good enough to let them compete for the title.
Not strengthening their defence in the summer is truly baffling, maybe he was hoping on scoring their way to the title...never gonna happen.

I don't disagree but I'd say buying in new players won't make much difference if they are not drilled and on the same page. As I say his priority is overloading the attack, not squad balance. Any manager that takes over a team shipping goals and doesn't make that his first a foremost priority is a very poor manager imo.
 

KILLA_SIN

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I dont disagree with that, but they have aims of going for the title, and I dont think any amount of coaching can turn that lot into a title winning defence.

They're badly coached, which is Klopps responsibility, but so is noticing that their defenders will never be good enough to let them compete for the title.
Not strengthening their defence in the summer is truly baffling, maybe he was hoping on scoring their way to the title...never gonna happen.

A lot of posters thought that Rose/Walker lacked the sufficient quality to be coached into good defenders but a good coach can always improve players. I just don't think Klopp cares about defending
 
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