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[ajspurs]

Toure is obviously a bit of a dick.

That's the thing, if it was someone else I would have felt the story would have a bit more credibility but because it's him it's hard to take such statements with any great weight. I have also felt that Toure is just a dick, I think ever since that cake incident.

 

[Spurrific]

Pep is a bit of a **** though. Winds me up when he wears Stone Island. Who does he think he is? Appropriating our scummy football hooligan culture, the baldy twat.

 

[tiger666]

Shame really. I loved watching Toure play in his prime, superb midfielder but yeah, does seem to be a bit of a dick.

 

[yanno]

Some of YaYa's comments do come over as egotistical and bitter. And I don't believe Pep picks players according to their ethnic background.

That said, I've long thought that Pep did not get the best out of YaYa when he was in his prime at Barca. Pep used him as the deep lying C/DM, breaking up play and passing quickly. A role that ultimately Busquets performed to a world class level.

But at his peak, YaYa had skills that Busquets will never have. YaYa could surge past opposing players in central midfield, play a 1-2, and be through on goal. He was one of the best in the world at this, and it always seemed bizarre that Pep shackled him to a more defensive role.

The following comments from YaYa remind me of some of Zlatan's criticism of Pep for not being man enough to tell him why he wasn't playing in his best central striker position.

YaYa: “I do not know why but I have the impression that he [Pep] was jealous of me, that he took me for a rival. There you have it. We always looked at each other weirdly. He was spinning around me without saying anything, watching me, gauging me, but not talking to me. Yet he knows that I speak Catalan, Spanish and English. It should be enough to communicate both. But apparently no ... Every time we passed each other, he seemed embarrassed. As if I made him a little self-conscious. As if, also, he had understood that I knew him perfectly.”

Of course, Pep was faced with a difficult situation when Messi told him he wanted to play centrally, which led to Zlatan being shunted out wide at Barca and then leaving.

Zlatan: "I said: 'I believe that you are sacrificing some players for one player, Messi'. He said: 'I don't think this is the case but I understand what you say. I will take care of it, no problem, I will solve everything'. I thought it would be OK.
"The following game I was on the bench. I don't say anything, I work," Ibrahimovic added. "Second match bench again. I thought he solved it well and he was not talking to me or explaining. Third match bench. Then the fourth match comes and bench again.
Ibrahimovic said Guardiola was building his team around Lionel Messi
"I think something is strange. From that moment he stopped talking to me, looking at me. I go into a room and he walks out of it. He was not a bad person, but the most immature I've had because a man solves his problems."

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...la-immature-during-time-together-at-barcelona

Both Zlatan and YaYa felt as if Pep wasn't communicating with them properly to the detriment of their careers, and both proved under other coaches that they were genuinely world class talents.

 

[VegasII]

He's definitely obsessed with cake.

He should bake off then!

 

[mano-obe]

Yaya is past his prime. Pep didnt trust his work ethic at Barca or City. Playing the race card (if true) is low. We know what Pep demands. Even the likes of Aguero and Ibrahimovic haven't been to immune from being dropped in the past

 

[michaelden]

Didn't Eto'o also have an issue with Pep? Maybe Yayya is right & Pep is a bit racist?

It's possible

 

[rossdapep]

Some of YaYa's comments do come over as egotistical and bitter. And I don't believe Pep picks players according to their ethnic background.

That said, I've long thought that Pep did not get the best out of YaYa when he was in his prime at Barca. Pep used him as the deep lying C/DM, breaking up play and passing quickly. A role that ultimately Busquets performed to a world class level.

But at his peak, YaYa had skills that Busquets will never have. YaYa could surge past opposing players in central midfield, play a 1-2, and be through on goal. He was one of the best in the world at this, and it always seemed bizarre that Pep shackled him to a more defensive role.

The following comments from YaYa remind me of some of Zlatan's criticism of Pep for not being man enough to tell him why he wasn't playing in his best central striker position.

YaYa: “I do not know why but I have the impression that he [Pep] was jealous of me, that he took me for a rival. There you have it. We always looked at each other weirdly. He was spinning around me without saying anything, watching me, gauging me, but not talking to me. Yet he knows that I speak Catalan, Spanish and English. It should be enough to communicate both. But apparently no ... Every time we passed each other, he seemed embarrassed. As if I made him a little self-conscious. As if, also, he had understood that I knew him perfectly.”

Of course, Pep was faced with a difficult situation when Messi told him he wanted to play centrally, which led to Zlatan being shunted out wide at Barca and then leaving.

Zlatan: "I said: 'I believe that you are sacrificing some players for one player, Messi'. He said: 'I don't think this is the case but I understand what you say. I will take care of it, no problem, I will solve everything'. I thought it would be OK.
"The following game I was on the bench. I don't say anything, I work," Ibrahimovic added. "Second match bench again. I thought he solved it well and he was not talking to me or explaining. Third match bench. Then the fourth match comes and bench again.
Ibrahimovic said Guardiola was building his team around Lionel Messi
"I think something is strange. From that moment he stopped talking to me, looking at me. I go into a room and he walks out of it. He was not a bad person, but the most immature I've had because a man solves his problems."

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...la-immature-during-time-together-at-barcelona

Both Zlatan and YaYa felt as if Pep wasn't communicating with them properly to the detriment of their careers, and both proved under other coaches that they were genuinely world class talents.

And Busquets has skills that Yaya would never have. His reading of the game is second to none, he knows when to support the defence and be disciplined and he's a highly intelligent player. After what Pep achieved with Busquets in the team, no-one can question his decisions really. He made the right decision. Yaya was always going to be better suited to the power and speed of the Premier League.

 

[rossdapep]

There was also this......

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-named-african-footballer-of-the-year-reports

I think the problem is with Yaya, not Pep.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Some of YaYa's comments do come over as egotistical and bitter. And I don't believe Pep picks players according to their ethnic background.

That said, I've long thought that Pep did not get the best out of YaYa when he was in his prime at Barca. Pep used him as the deep lying C/DM, breaking up play and passing quickly. A role that ultimately Busquets performed to a world class level.

But at his peak, YaYa had skills that Busquets will never have. YaYa could surge past opposing players in central midfield, play a 1-2, and be through on goal. He was one of the best in the world at this, and it always seemed bizarre that Pep shackled him to a more defensive role.

The following comments from YaYa remind me of some of Zlatan's criticism of Pep for not being man enough to tell him why he wasn't playing in his best central striker position.

YaYa: “I do not know why but I have the impression that he [Pep] was jealous of me, that he took me for a rival. There you have it. We always looked at each other weirdly. He was spinning around me without saying anything, watching me, gauging me, but not talking to me. Yet he knows that I speak Catalan, Spanish and English. It should be enough to communicate both. But apparently no ... Every time we passed each other, he seemed embarrassed. As if I made him a little self-conscious. As if, also, he had understood that I knew him perfectly.”

Of course, Pep was faced with a difficult situation when Messi told him he wanted to play centrally, which led to Zlatan being shunted out wide at Barca and then leaving.

Zlatan: "I said: 'I believe that you are sacrificing some players for one player, Messi'. He said: 'I don't think this is the case but I understand what you say. I will take care of it, no problem, I will solve everything'. I thought it would be OK.
"The following game I was on the bench. I don't say anything, I work," Ibrahimovic added. "Second match bench again. I thought he solved it well and he was not talking to me or explaining. Third match bench. Then the fourth match comes and bench again.
Ibrahimovic said Guardiola was building his team around Lionel Messi
"I think something is strange. From that moment he stopped talking to me, looking at me. I go into a room and he walks out of it. He was not a bad person, but the most immature I've had because a man solves his problems."

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...la-immature-during-time-together-at-barcelona

Both Zlatan and YaYa felt as if Pep wasn't communicating with them properly to the detriment of their careers, and both proved under other coaches that they were genuinely world class talents.

Great footballers in their own way, but neither player fit Guardiola's collective work ethos. Ibrahimovic had problems - other players, managers, dressing rooms etc - at several other clubs. His issue at Barca could be read more as "why is he building his team around someone other than me?". Guardiola has been ruthless with players wherever he's been (Ronaldhino, Deco, Ibra, Yaya at Barca - Hart, Ageuro, Stones at City).

 

[yanno]

And Busquets has skills that Yaya would never have. His reading of the game is second to none, he knows when to support the defence and be disciplined and he's a highly intelligent player. After what Pep achieved with Busquets in the team, no-one can question his decisions really. He made the right decision. Yaya was always going to be better suited to the power and speed of the Premier League.

I'm not disputing that. Busquets is a better DM, shielding the defence with his reading of the game, than YaYa.

My main points were that:

1) YaYa's surges were under-exploited at Barca because Pep insisted he play a very disciplined role, and his ability to make devastating runs through central midfield became a feature once he moved to Shitty under Mancini and then Pellegrini;

2) YaYa's criticism of Pep's man management skills with regard to top class experienced players echoes the criticism of Zlatan.

That doesn't mean I agree completely with YaYa or Zlatan. I suspect the truth lies somewhere in between. But I don't think Pep should be put on some pedestal where he cannot be questioned at all. No one is infallible. Not the Pope, nor POTUS, nor Pep.

 

[jamesc0le]

maybe pep takes some players for bullies and tries to wind them up. or something.
it's a psycology thing. i will digress.at some point.

 

[nailsy]

[B]Get French Football[/B]@[B]GFFN[/B]8m8 minutes ago
Yaya Touré accuses Pep Guardiola of racism: "Maybe us, the Africans, aren't treated in the same way as the others." (FF)

Yaya Touré on Pep Guardiola cont: "The day in which he includes 5 non-naturalised Africans in a starting XI, I promise to send him a cake." (FF)

A truly explosive interview that comes out in France Football tomorrow, during which Yaya Touré insists on "exploding the myth" that is, in his view, Pep Guardiola.

Why does almost half the team have to be African? Ignoring the fact that he's only been in charge of European sides, there are other continents in the world other than Africa.

 

[tototoner]

Toure just sounds bitter and a bit of a twat

 

[Tel Boy]

The birthday cake episode and now this. Has he taken on Sol Campbell as his head of PR ?

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

Pep and Yaya are a pair of helmets. Don’t beleive Pep is a racist but I do beleive he is an insecure, socially awkward narcissist who has achieved mythological status from three of the easiest jobs in the history of jobs, whilst Yaya Toure has worked his way to here from fuck all.

 

[thecook]

Toure's game relies on his legs, which were going a couple of seasons ago and are now gone completely. That's why he wasn't being picked and he's just getting all salty about it

 

['O Zio]

[B]Get French Football[/B]@[B]GFFN[/B]8m8 minutes ago
Yaya Touré accuses Pep Guardiola of racism: "Maybe us, the Africans, aren't treated in the same way as the others." (FF)

Yaya Touré on Pep Guardiola cont: "The day in which he includes 5 non-naturalised Africans in a starting XI, I promise to send him a cake." (FF)

A truly explosive interview that comes out in France Football tomorrow, during which Yaya Touré insists on "exploding the myth" that is, in his view, Pep Guardiola.

What the fuck is it with this guy and cakes

 

[absolute bobbins]

I'm not disputing that. Busquets is a better DM, shielding the defence with his reading of the game, than YaYa.

My main points were that:

1) YaYa's surges were under-exploited at Barca because Pep insisted he play a very disciplined role, and his ability to make devastating runs through central midfield became a feature once he moved to Shitty under Mancini and then Pellegrini;

2) YaYa's criticism of Pep's man management skills with regard to top class experienced players echoes the criticism of Zlatan.

That doesn't mean I agree completely with YaYa or Zlatan. I suspect the truth lies somewhere in between. But I don't think Pep should be put on some pedestal where he cannot be questioned at all. No one is infallible. Not the Pope, nor POTUS, nor Pep.

Would you think the same if all other players managed by Pep came out and said Pep was a master oratator?

You seem to be taking an awful lot of stock in the ramblings of two egomaniacs who did not fit into the metronomic style of Pep’s football.

 

[Coyboy]

Some of YaYa's comments do come over as egotistical and bitter. And I don't believe Pep picks players according to their ethnic background.

That said, I've long thought that Pep did not get the best out of YaYa when he was in his prime at Barca. Pep used him as the deep lying C/DM, breaking up play and passing quickly. A role that ultimately Busquets performed to a world class level.

But at his peak, YaYa had skills that Busquets will never have. YaYa could surge past opposing players in central midfield, play a 1-2, and be through on goal. He was one of the best in the world at this, and it always seemed bizarre that Pep shackled him to a more defensive role.

The following comments from YaYa remind me of some of Zlatan's criticism of Pep for not being man enough to tell him why he wasn't playing in his best central striker position.

YaYa: “I do not know why but I have the impression that he [Pep] was jealous of me, that he took me for a rival. There you have it. We always looked at each other weirdly. He was spinning around me without saying anything, watching me, gauging me, but not talking to me. Yet he knows that I speak Catalan, Spanish and English. It should be enough to communicate both. But apparently no ... Every time we passed each other, he seemed embarrassed. As if I made him a little self-conscious. As if, also, he had understood that I knew him perfectly.”

Of course, Pep was faced with a difficult situation when Messi told him he wanted to play centrally, which led to Zlatan being shunted out wide at Barca and then leaving.

Zlatan: "I said: 'I believe that you are sacrificing some players for one player, Messi'. He said: 'I don't think this is the case but I understand what you say. I will take care of it, no problem, I will solve everything'. I thought it would be OK.
"The following game I was on the bench. I don't say anything, I work," Ibrahimovic added. "Second match bench again. I thought he solved it well and he was not talking to me or explaining. Third match bench. Then the fourth match comes and bench again.
Ibrahimovic said Guardiola was building his team around Lionel Messi
"I think something is strange. From that moment he stopped talking to me, looking at me. I go into a room and he walks out of it. He was not a bad person, but the most immature I've had because a man solves his problems."

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...la-immature-during-time-together-at-barcelona

Both Zlatan and YaYa felt as if Pep wasn't communicating with them properly to the detriment of their careers, and both proved under other coaches that they were genuinely world class talents.

But to the advantage of the team.