He seemed to have some sort of a breakdown during his last season at Chelsea and I suspect we may be seeing a repeat at Man United.
Let's All Laugh At... Let's all wonder what's going on at United?
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hellava_tough
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The top managers have changed I style and approach
Sure, the can be strict, but they also come across as father figures; Kopp, Pep and of course our beloved Poch
Mourinho is more old-school who creates a siege mentality to bring his players together. But that expends a lot of energy and there's only so much of it that a player can take
Always Offside
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Agreed. Managers ideals and ways of managing have evolved Mourinho is stuck in the past and is not prepared to change his management style for anyone or any club, despite things clearly not working.
DJS
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I think the point that Neville was trying to make but didn't want to say is that it wasn't a performance of players against the manager but players that just aren't good enough and he knows there's not a lot they can do about it until next season already. Looked heartbroken bless him
If the players aren’t good enough that’s down to Mourinho.
He’s bought quite a few in for large fees - Lindelof (lol), Bailey, Sanchez, Fred, Lukaku, Pogba - and doesn’t seem to be able to get the best out of likes of Pogba.
DJS
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Bored back at work so thought would type a massive post about my thoughts about their squad lol (haven't bothered with goalkeeping and centre forward as pretty well covered there).
Defence
What Mourinho should have been doing is putting an arm round likes of Shaw's shoulder and developing him as he is a fantastic attacking option from left back / left wing back when he is in it physically and mentally.
Rather than constantly berating him in public.
Jury is still out on Jones and Greening (edit: Smalling d'oh!), they're pretty decent defenders but are they good enough for a club of Man U's standing? Jones has shown promise but is very injury-prone, which seems to interrupt his groove.
Bailey seemed like a pretty solid good quality centre back so seems it should be him and one other, although he has gone a bit backwards performance-wise in recent games since coming back from long-term injury.
Lindelof may come good but wasn't too hot last season and again you question whether Mourinho's judgement on signing him and then not developing him.
At right back they have Valencia and Young who could both do good jobs having been converted to defence, although personally I would still prefer a specialist right-back.
Midfield
Also, there's obviously an issue with Pogba. It does seem that maybe Pogba's attitude could be questionable but he has shown he can run games and again that is down to man-management and how Mourinho is deploying him.
It's been said he is best in a 4-3-3- on left of midfield three and Mourinho has been doing that now but again if he isn't man-managing him properly.
On paper they have a very strong midfield three of Fred - Matic (Perrera has been covering until our game yesterday).
Attacking Midfield
A little bit unbalanced for me as they have Sanchez, Martial and Rashford who are all better suited to the left so surprised haven't looked for a specialist attacking pacey right-sided midfielder, although Fred is said to be able to play attacking right-side midfield so maybe he'll be an option. Mata has also been playing out there but wonder if he's better as a central number 10 player orchestrating things.
Defence
What Mourinho should have been doing is putting an arm round likes of Shaw's shoulder and developing him as he is a fantastic attacking option from left back / left wing back when he is in it physically and mentally.
Rather than constantly berating him in public.
Jury is still out on Jones and Greening (edit: Smalling d'oh!), they're pretty decent defenders but are they good enough for a club of Man U's standing? Jones has shown promise but is very injury-prone, which seems to interrupt his groove.
Bailey seemed like a pretty solid good quality centre back so seems it should be him and one other, although he has gone a bit backwards performance-wise in recent games since coming back from long-term injury.
Lindelof may come good but wasn't too hot last season and again you question whether Mourinho's judgement on signing him and then not developing him.
At right back they have Valencia and Young who could both do good jobs having been converted to defence, although personally I would still prefer a specialist right-back.
Midfield
Also, there's obviously an issue with Pogba. It does seem that maybe Pogba's attitude could be questionable but he has shown he can run games and again that is down to man-management and how Mourinho is deploying him.
It's been said he is best in a 4-3-3- on left of midfield three and Mourinho has been doing that now but again if he isn't man-managing him properly.
On paper they have a very strong midfield three of Fred - Matic (Perrera has been covering until our game yesterday).
Attacking Midfield
A little bit unbalanced for me as they have Sanchez, Martial and Rashford who are all better suited to the left so surprised haven't looked for a specialist attacking pacey right-sided midfielder, although Fred is said to be able to play attacking right-side midfield so maybe he'll be an option. Mata has also been playing out there but wonder if he's better as a central number 10 player orchestrating things.
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DJS
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Wellbeck?
Shit I mean Rashford!
Usually I say Jonathan Greening rather than Chris Smalling at centre back for them, so that is a new one!
Lilbaz
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He's a mendez boy. Not sure if any of the players he signed are in mendez circle pogba wasn't.
tommo84
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Its actually fascinating to see how this plays out. From the outside it appears broken at Man Utd, but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll part company with Mourinho.
Mourinho himself is likely to want to turn this around as, despite seeming to be miserable throughout his tenure there, its not clear where else he is likely to surface once his time at Utd comes to an end. He will only ever be interested in roles where there is a financial advantage over the bulk of the opposition, but the few teams who fit that bill are unlikely to be interested due to either his style of football (PSG and Bayern would want something more aesthetically pleasing), or his public demeanour (the press in Spain and Italy hate him).
For Ed Woodward, its always been apparent that he's out of his depth on the footballing side of things, and so if he were to pull the trigger on Jose he would actually be required to step up in that regard in order to, not only identify a suitable replacement, but also to help the new manager assemble another team. For as long as Mourinho is there, dominating headlines, Woodward isn't fully exposed.
As for the Glazers, I doubt they care. The club is making loads of money and they have always been more interested in Utd as a money-spinning brand off the field, rather than as a powerhouse on the pitch.
This one might drag on for some time yet, and none of it is going to be fun for their fans*.
*Fully expects to find he's been sacked while I was typing this.
Mourinho himself is likely to want to turn this around as, despite seeming to be miserable throughout his tenure there, its not clear where else he is likely to surface once his time at Utd comes to an end. He will only ever be interested in roles where there is a financial advantage over the bulk of the opposition, but the few teams who fit that bill are unlikely to be interested due to either his style of football (PSG and Bayern would want something more aesthetically pleasing), or his public demeanour (the press in Spain and Italy hate him).
For Ed Woodward, its always been apparent that he's out of his depth on the footballing side of things, and so if he were to pull the trigger on Jose he would actually be required to step up in that regard in order to, not only identify a suitable replacement, but also to help the new manager assemble another team. For as long as Mourinho is there, dominating headlines, Woodward isn't fully exposed.
As for the Glazers, I doubt they care. The club is making loads of money and they have always been more interested in Utd as a money-spinning brand off the field, rather than as a powerhouse on the pitch.
This one might drag on for some time yet, and none of it is going to be fun for their fans*.
*Fully expects to find he's been sacked while I was typing this.
it is a binary choice:
1. You back a twat who also happens to have an incredible record and who you just gave a massive contract to
2. You back the money man on a footballing matter
Fat Sam says that Unt were the better team and deserved to win and outplayed spurs.
To my eyes when you study the good chances maid we could have won 7 to 4 and although UNT edged the first half we easily won the second half and if this is how fat sam sees this match if I were him I would not hold my breath while waiting for a new job.
He clearly still has his tongue still stuck up Fergies arce and can't get it out so he compensates for this by backing Man Unt blindly'
What a dinosaur his style of play is dead and buried and the modern fan wants to be entertained and will not follow a team if boring defensive football were served up.This is a rant in anger at the fat man saying Unt deserved to win
To my eyes when you study the good chances maid we could have won 7 to 4 and although UNT edged the first half we easily won the second half and if this is how fat sam sees this match if I were him I would not hold my breath while waiting for a new job.
He clearly still has his tongue still stuck up Fergies arce and can't get it out so he compensates for this by backing Man Unt blindly'
What a dinosaur his style of play is dead and buried and the modern fan wants to be entertained and will not follow a team if boring defensive football were served up.This is a rant in anger at the fat man saying Unt deserved to win
Gassin's finest
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It wouldn't matter who was manager at Man Utd to be honest... they've become a club beholden to the super agents, and for people like Woodward the league position is secondary to the profit margin.
It makes me all the more thankful that we have the owners that we do. Grass is very rarely greener, don't know what you've got 'til it's gone... etc, etc...
It makes me all the more thankful that we have the owners that we do. Grass is very rarely greener, don't know what you've got 'til it's gone... etc, etc...
TheHoddleWaddle
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No Sam. You aren't getting the United job.
tommo84
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He admitted that he couldn’t watch the game as he was travelling to London to do this morning’s show, so he was going entirely off the stats - which in itself is a stupid approach to take!
ljinko888
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Pretty sure Allardyce was the first or one of the first to embrace sports science and data analysis in the Premier League. He always fell back on stats to defend himself - shit like "yeah we've lost 4 of the last 5 but only one of those were by more than one goal so we were in the games"
mattyspurs
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I think, however I might be wrong, Neville’s whole attitude on Managers has completely changed since his own stint at management. I think he is much more supportive of them nowadays
mpickard2087
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Many problems for them.
Off the pitch they have no strategy, I think that is the main source of the issues. They have a really poor balance to the squad and with several players suiting different systems. They throw money around a) in a desperate bid to get back to the top, and b) to keep trying to show they're still at the very top table of clubs. Whether a player is right for them or not does not come into the equation seemingly.
With Mourinho I don't know what the issue is. Partly looks like his powers are waning, that some of the desire has gone in any case, and I think he's trying to adapt to the club/fanbase rather than doing it his own way. It's most unlike him to still not know what his first XI is and to be chopping and changing constantly, to have his team looking so open, and in his previous tenures he'd have never put up with people like Pogba, Sanchez, Mata (he got rid of him once already!), Lukaku, Martial, Rashford etc strolling around, not listening to tactical instruction, and constantly making poor choices.
They still have enough talent that you expect them to be in the mix come the end of the season, but they desperately need some leadership and vision as to what they are trying to do as a football team. Until they get then I don't think any amount of financial muscle can help them get where they want to be.
Off the pitch they have no strategy, I think that is the main source of the issues. They have a really poor balance to the squad and with several players suiting different systems. They throw money around a) in a desperate bid to get back to the top, and b) to keep trying to show they're still at the very top table of clubs. Whether a player is right for them or not does not come into the equation seemingly.
With Mourinho I don't know what the issue is. Partly looks like his powers are waning, that some of the desire has gone in any case, and I think he's trying to adapt to the club/fanbase rather than doing it his own way. It's most unlike him to still not know what his first XI is and to be chopping and changing constantly, to have his team looking so open, and in his previous tenures he'd have never put up with people like Pogba, Sanchez, Mata (he got rid of him once already!), Lukaku, Martial, Rashford etc strolling around, not listening to tactical instruction, and constantly making poor choices.
They still have enough talent that you expect them to be in the mix come the end of the season, but they desperately need some leadership and vision as to what they are trying to do as a football team. Until they get then I don't think any amount of financial muscle can help them get where they want to be.
