Levy, ENIC and DC

[myhartlane]

Levy and Enic out. Done a lot of good, won’t take us to the next level though.

I have always been of the camp that thinks ENIC will sell once the stadium was fully realised. The problem now with the stadium built is it doesn't make it as attractive as it once for prospective buyers was given the price it adds to the value. Part of me is proud that ENIC have given us such a wonderful place in football from an infrastructure point of view, but the footballing side has taken a back seat over a few years now, and my interest and that of all our fans is what happens on that green bit for 90 mins.

”the footballing side has taken a back seat over a few years now”! I’m sorry but the past few years have seen our best footballing results for decades. There is clearly a balance to be struck between the business and sporting side but I’m yet to hear a convincing alternative plan to the one we have now.

 

[Donki]

Off the top of my head...

Jorginho, Keita, Kovacic, Fabinho, Toreira, Fred, Mahrez, André Gomes (maybe), Meyer (another maybe), Seri, Maddison, Arzani (seems to have gone under the radar, but he’s a talent), Lee Grant and I think wham have done really well to get Yarmolenko and Felipe Anderson.

All players that would have offered something to the squad, obviously we can’t always compete for these players, but it shows that improving on third place isn’t impossible. If Levy sells Toby or Rose abroad now, he is going to put a massive target on his own back if we don’t perform.

Precisely one is PL proven, at least half will flop, I’ve seen some in preseason look very sloppy. You should know this, only time will tell. I remember this time last season people creaming over Everton.

 

[Donki]

There were plenty worth buying - we didn’t offer market rate

Good.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

”the footballing side has taken a back seat over a few years now”! I’m sorry but the past few years have seen our best footballing results for decades. There is clearly a balance to be struck between the business and sporting side but I’m yet to hear a convincing alternative plan to the one we have now.

We lucked out with a great young manager and a World Class Striker....

 

[bat-chain]

Hired by Levy no less.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

11th richest club in the world, 1 coca cola cup in their time, people will stop wanting ENIC out when 1 one two things happens, they leave or we start winning trophies, to question there ambition is perfectly natural as they seem to have turned us into a property development company with on field success a side issue, nobody would be complaining here if they were half as successful on the pitch as they have been off it. We are a football club big enough to demand more success than we've had, we cannot talk about the sugar era forever as a defence of ENIC. CL football is nice but we need trophies and that sometimes requires net investment in the team, it's not by chance that generally the clubs that spend the most on their team win the most trophies.

 

[CowInAComa]

We lucked out with a great young manager and a World Class Striker....

Wasnt really luck was it, I mean we didnt find them down the back of the sofa.

 

[tooey]

I’m fully aware, thank you. I think that our owners will not take us to the next level on the pitch because of how they run our club. Therefore I stand by what I said. No need for the sarcasm either.

But my point still remains, we have no choice in who will take us to the next level in terms of ownership so saying "Enic out" is completely futile.

 

[Deleted member 27855]

If levy only cared about money I’m sure Madrid would throw £200m at kane tomorrow.

If Levy did that how many empty seats would there be in our shiny new stadium? How much less merchandise would we sell? Selling Kane would be a financial disaster for us. Levy is more than intelligent enough to realize that.

 

[CowInAComa]

The state of you lot because we didnt sign Grealish or some other players that wouldnt get in our first team.

 

[mrlilywhite]

”the footballing side has taken a back seat over a few years now”! I’m sorry but the past few years have seen our best footballing results for decades. There is clearly a balance to be struck between the business and sporting side but I’m yet to hear a convincing alternative plan to the one we have now.

I agree, the results have been, let us say encouraging and it's been very welcome, but it hasn't come through financial input from ENIC. Self-sustainability has been the business model of the sporting side, and dare I say it how the cards have fallen has been generous to our fortunes - Levy pulled a rabbit out of the bag with Poch, Kane has been a revelation since Soldado went. Everything on the football side has been about using money that we make through transfers and reinvesting. So yes the football side of the business has taken a back seat when it comes to investment. ENIC have contributed nothing recently financial to the progression of the club from a football perspective, and through the misfortune of other clubs like Arsenal & Chelsea, our club has flourished.

This fortune has little to do with ENIC, who rightly have concentrated their efforts on bringing the "business" a world-class stadium, but one must wonder at what cost to the sporting side short term or even long term if we can't secure a naming rights deal? Clearly, the huge costs of the stadium have impacted our ability to spend this transfer window, regardless of what PR spin is put on it. Is our good fortune going to last? I don't think so if we carry on treating the very nature of the club as a secondary objective.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Wasnt really luck was it, I mean we didnt find them down the back of the sofa.

No Sherwood played Harry after Bobby and Ade flopped, luckily

 

[CowInAComa]

No Sherwood played Harry after Bobby and Ade flopped, luckily

Having a player in reserve you have trained and developed isnt luck. Every single player has a story of circumstance of how they got into the team for the first time. Its not luck, we scouted and developed a player.

Harry Kane would have failed to make it as a footballer if Adebayor hadnt missed a sitter against Stoke in 2015 or whatever? Give me a break.


Where we currently sit in the order of things is not luck. We have developed and been cagey and built and sold and played the game better than anyone out there.

 

[SpurinChicago]

Yeah, he's proven a real fucking sugar daddy throughout the years hasn't he with his massive transfer outlay?

Apparently you associated sugar daddy with rich owner. I did not, I meant rich owner willing to spend his own wonga on transfers.

Liverpool's owners have less money at their disposal than ENIC and are strictly businessmen, only in it for the money. Based on their experience with the Boston Red Sox, they have found that producing a winning team is the single best way to maximize profit. So make no mistake, it does not require a sugar daddy owner, merely one who prioritizes winning. We don't have that and that is a problem where the entire product is based on a competition.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Having a player in reserve you have trained and developed isnt luck. Every single player has a story of circumstance of how they got into the team for the first time. Its not luck, we scouted and developed a player.

Harry Kane would have failed to make it as a footballer if Adebayor hadnt missed a sitter against Stoke in 2015 or whatever? Give me a break.


Where we currently sit in the order of things is not luck. We have developed and been cagey and built and sold and played the game better than anyone out there.

I agree in part but you cannot justify us not bringing in 1 player in the summer

Shocking and dangerous, especially If we are 'unlucky' with injuries and after what Poch said about being brave and bringing in players early for him to work with pre season!

 

[Lilbaz]

Liverpool's owners have less money at their disposal than ENIC and are strictly businessmen, only in it for the money. Based on their experience with the Boston Red Sox, they have found that producing a winning team is the single best way to maximize profit. So make no mistake, it does not require a sugar daddy owner, merely one who prioritizes winning. We don't have that and that is a problem where the entire product is based on a competition.

Sorry but how much money does enic have at their dispossal? I can't even find how much it is valued.

 

[Saoirse]

I think that most would find this abit easier to swollow had the ticket prices not gone up so dramatically.

I mean I criticised it at the time saying it would lead to vastly inflated expectations and pissed off (non-renewing?) customers when we inevitably didn't mean them. But I didn't think it'd manage that before we'd even kicked a ball.

 

[CowInAComa]

I agree in part but you cannot justify us not bringing in 1 player in the summer

Shocking and dangerous, especially If we are 'unlucky' with injuries and after what Poch said about being brave and bringing in players early for him to work with pre season!

We will have the same number of playing staff as we start every season though?

What fucked us up is having our entire first team involved to the death in the world cup. In the scheme of football related issues it really is a first world problem. But injuries are a problem for any club

Im also kinda of counting Lucas as a new signing for this season and always have been since end of last . Not too mention the prospect of having a fit Rose, and hopefully Toby and Harry Winks, available.

 

[Colston]

Liverpool's owners have less money at their disposal than ENIC and are strictly businessmen, only in it for the money. Based on their experience with the Boston Red Sox, they have found that producing a winning team is the single best way to maximize profit. So make no mistake, it does not require a sugar daddy owner, merely one who prioritizes winning. We don't have that and that is a problem where the entire product is based on a competition.

Yeah, all those things they've won since the new owners took over.

At least they've got a shiny new stadium to show for it..

 

[shelfboy68]

I have been a staunch Levy-ite (or BsoDL as I think you call them here) for many years. I think he has worked absolute miracles to take the club from what appeared to be a permanently bad place to mixing it up with the big boys. Leicester had a quick flash in the pan but nobody else has come close to breaking up the old guard on a consistent level without having an oil billionaire cheat their way to the top. This is the most consistent Tottenham side since the early 60s and it was built whilst developing a brand new stadium. It is an absolute miracle that we have come as far as we have and Levy deserves enormous praise, respect and gratitude from EVERYONE amongst our fan base. If you can't see that, you either weren't following Spurs before 2009 or you're completely delusional about the resources and stature the club has compared with our rivals.

However. This transfer window was a fuck up. An undeniable, inexcusable fuck up. Yes we haven't lost anyone, but Levy's performance here was not acceptable. How big a fuck up this is, and how bad the after-effects will be remain to be seen.

Yes, we still have a very strong squad and we haven't lost anyone. But we saw last season that this squad is nowhere near good enough to compete with Man City. Liverpool are likely to overtake us now following the signings they made. Depending on whether the new management at Chelsea and Arsenal can get their act together, we could well drop out of the top four (hopefully Man Utd are set to implode).

Perhaps they'll all be a bit older, wiser, savvier in their play and this time we'll knock out Juventus instead. But after spending so much more on my season ticket this year I'm beyond disappointed today. Levy always used to write those letters to the fans on the club website after the transfer window, I would really like to see what he's got to say this time...

I would not wait for the official statement as no one will either listen or look at it and yes a fuck up of a window completely letting his manager down.
Still we have to back the manager and player's they will need support from somewhere certainly didn't get it from on high.
I have reset my aspirations for this season as before I was hoping to push Utd or Liverpool for 2nd and 3rd but now I will settle for top 6, with no decent cover for Kane or quality from midfield other than erikson I can see many of them breathing out their arse by May.
First let's celebrate the new stadium then wish that ENIC sell up to a new ambitious progressive buyer onwards and upwards.