Levy, ENIC and DC

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Davinson Sanchez was a very highly rated young talent when we bought him for a club record fee - there is absolutely nothing to blame Levy for in that particular transfer

Yeah I agree mate. Fair play T-Love, credit where credit is due. It appears to be one of the (rare) occasion where Levy moved decisively to secure one of Poch's top targets. Brilliant signing! Could we just have more of that please, Daniel?

 

[Shadydan]

Sorry mate but I've got to disagree: First, it's documented in Pochetinno's book, verbatim; from the horses mouth that Sissoko was Levy's choice. Poch's first choice that summer was Zaha, but after Levy pissed off Parrish with a low-ball offer, Zaha was off the table and Poch ACCEPTED Levy's "consolation prize". So whist Poch agreed to the signing of Sissoko, he was never his first choice, and certainly he wasn't "the one pushing for it". For me, that's just some spin that's been propagated when everyone realised that Levy had spunked £30 million on vintage dogshit in an attempt to deflect from the poor choice he'd made.
And I'm sorry mate but your second paragraph is a misdirected generic rant that has nothing to do with the post to which you're responding. At no time did I say I was "blaming Levy for everything"; I was however saying he is ultimately responsible for the failure to make a single signing this year. You stated that "it's as much down to Poch as Levy who we bring in"; I suggested it isn't about the identification of targets that's the problem, it's about paying the money to actually buy these players. Brokering the deals is not Poch's remit; he's not the one signing the cheques. That's solely Levy's role. So I promise you I'm not "blaming Daniel Levy for everything ", mate, but I do believe the blame for this shit-shower of a window rests squarely with him.

Fair play on the first paragraph, I haven't read the book do I didn't know that.

Also the 2nd paragraph wasn't directed to you.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Possessives and Plurals!!!!!! Anger mode engaged!!!!!

Fortunately you’re able to articulate your emotions with a controlled use of punctuation

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

We've had more than a hint of ITK who have said that this is the case, people were blaming Levy for buying Sissoko for example but then it came out that Poch was the one pushing for it and Levy bnt over backwards for him.

All I'm saying is that people's anger is a little bit mis-directed here, just seems convenient to blame Daniel Levy for everything that messes up at he club, he's been responsible for a lot of shit at Spurs and has pissed me off no end but if you're going to blame him for everything then you should keep the same energy in praise, look at things objectively.

Davinson Sanchez was a very highly rated young talent when we bought him for a club record fee - there is absolutely nothing to blame Levy for in that particular transfer

Also said we'd be competing at the top table and spending £150m in addition to cash generated this summer. Just saying.....

Levy is the common denominator. Same shit, different day, different manager.


Back to Sanchez - he had a great season for a teenager in a new league.
He was and still is a long way off being half the player of Jan or Toby's levels.

 

[vegassd]

Levy is the common denominator. Same shit, different day, different manager.

Isn't this the whole crux of the pro/anti Levy argument? He is the common denominator since 2001 so we should judge him on all the good and bad since that point.

In that first season we finished 12th, and we hadn't finished top 6 in the league for a decade before that. Since he took charge, we've had 8 or 9 managers and all sorts of great players coming and going. And since then we have slowly but surely seen our league position improve. The level of league performance in recent years hasn't been seen since the 60's.

So if we can accept that as a measure of success, and we can accept that Levy is the common denominator, then surely Levy is a huge part of that success?

We should also be mindful that this league position improvement took place over a number of years, as have the other improvements to the club as a whole. We haven't had a sugar daddy investor but have seen progression both on and off the pitch regardless. The thing is that it takes time.

So I would say that Levy fans get frustrated when they see people wanting him to leave when viewing a single transfer window only. It's the equivalent of selling a player after having a bad game, or getting rid of a bad manager if they have a bad month. It's simply not smart.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Isn't this the whole crux of the pro/anti Levy argument? He is the common denominator since 2001 so we should judge him on all the good and bad since that point.

In that first season we finished 12th, and we hadn't finished top 6 in the league for a decade before that. Since he took charge, we've had 8 or 9 managers and all sorts of great players coming and going. And since then we have slowly but surely seen our league position improve. The level of league performance in recent years hasn't been seen since the 60's.

So if we can accept that as a measure of success, and we can accept that Levy is the common denominator, then surely Levy is a huge part of that success?

We should also be mindful that this league position improvement took place over a number of years, as have the other improvements to the club as a whole. We haven't had a sugar daddy investor but have seen progression both on and off the pitch regardless. The thing is that it takes time.

So I would say that Levy fans get frustrated when they see people wanting him to leave when viewing a single transfer window only. It's the equivalent of selling a player after having a bad game, or getting rid of a bad manager if they have a bad month. It's simply not smart.

My problem with what he's done, is far less than my problem with what he is going to do.

Arsene Wenger won 3 titles and 7 FA Cups - should Arsenal have kept going with him indefinitely because of what he did?

 

[Real_madyidd]

My problem with what he's done, is far less than my problem with what he is going to do.

Arsene Wenger won 3 titles and 7 FA Cups - should Arsenal have kept going with him indefinitely because of what he did?

That should be "your Arsene Wengers won..." be consistant.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

That should be "your Arsene Wengers won..." be consistant.

Grow up champ.

 

[Lighty64]

I have always been of the camp that thinks ENIC will sell once the stadium was fully realised. The problem now with the stadium built is it doesn't make it as attractive as it once for prospective buyers was given the price it adds to the value. Part of me is proud that ENIC have given us such a wonderful place in football from an infrastructure point of view, but the footballing side has taken a back seat over a few years now, and my interest and that of all our fans is what happens on that green bit for 90 mins.

If I didn’t know better I’d say someone had whisked me back to 2002. The footballing side in the 4years under Pochettino has seen us get to the Coc final, 2 semis in the FA Cup, finish 5th, 3rd, 2nd and 3rd. (apologies if this has already been quoted).

I’m not happy we never brought anyone in, but to post that crap is unbearable. None of us know exactly what Pochettino’s list was, but because of past mistakes perhaps Pochettino himself decided that once plan B was unavailable the he might as well stick with what he has got. The thing is over the whole window I can’t remember seeing anywhere apart from de Ligt & Grealish that said we had a bid turned down.

 

[Shadydan]

Also said we'd be competing at the top table and spending £150m in addition to cash generated this summer. Just saying.....

Levy is the common denominator. Same shit, different day, different manager.


Back to Sanchez - he had a great season for a teenager in a new league.
He was and still is a long way off being half the player of Jan or Toby's levels.

I always wondered where this came from, is there a link or quote - genuinely asking as I haven't seen one?

Not really the point about Sanchez, no-one said he's the finished article, I asked who were the priorities as opposed to him that summer, in your words 'Bucket A?

 

[mrlilywhite]

If I didn’t know better I’d say someone had whisked me back to 2002. The footballing side in the 4years under Pochettino has seen us get to the Coc final, 2 semis in the FA Cup, finish 5th, 3rd, 2nd and 3rd. (apologies if this has already been quoted).

I’m not happy we never brought anyone in, but to post that crap is unbearable. None of us know exactly what Pochettino’s list was, but because of past mistakes perhaps Pochettino himself decided that once plan B was unavailable the he might as well stick with what he has got. The thing is over the whole window I can’t remember seeing anywhere apart from de Ligt & Grealish that said we had a bid turned down.

In that particular post you have quoted me on, I don't really mention Poch, in fact, I don't mention him at all - I mentioned the footballing side, not in reference to what Poch has or has not achieved, but to what ENIC have achieved or not in actually supporting the club financially from a personnel perspective. Poch has performed small miracles with what he has had. We have been punching well above our weight financially, and whilst the money makers at the club can be proud of this, I don't think it's something that is going to win us anything anytime soon.

Part of that league success has been reaping the rewards from others. The lack of competition from Arsenal in particular, along with Chelsea and Man Utd through one season or another. Our team has improved a hell of a lot no doubt, but we risk stagnating if we can't or will not get players in that can improve us. Poch said, “It’s true our targets are always the same level as Manchester United, Manchester City or Real Madrid, but for different circumstances, we can’t achieve that". So in his own words, we can't or will not pay what they do for success. That tells me all I need to know regarding ENIC and their lack of interest or desire to invest in the footballing side. Club owners that want success in the modern era of football do so in the knowledge that they WILL have to invest in the team. Levy reads a different book in relation to his counterparts, and those that believe our Stadium will be the catalyst for bigger investments and better players will be disappointed.

 

[Shadydan]

@TottenhamMattSpur I'm after concrete evidence or a link/quote not ITK mate.

I'm not even disagreeing here because I think there's merit to what you're saying but just wondered if you have a direct link.

 

[Blackrat1299]

Well I wonder what spin DL/ENIC/DC will put on we are going to continue playing at Wembley for the foreseeable future.

 

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Well I wonder what spin DL/ENIC/DC will put on we are going to continue playing at Wembley for the foreseeable future.

Perhaps they'll tell us Poch is "very happy with the way things are and it was always his intention to stay at Wembley"!

 

[NickHSpurs]

Well I wonder what spin DL/ENIC/DC will put on we are going to continue playing at Wembley for the foreseeable future.

I'd advise waiting for an official announcement before believing The Sun and keyboard warriors on Twitter! Better yet, read the article where The FA spokesperson actually says we're still planning on playing at our new home after Fulham.

 

[gaffers]

Say that again.

This time in English.

 

[Shadydan]

Say that again.

This time in English.

Would have though Italian would be more beneficial to you.

 

[coys200]

Before you can judge Levy you have to accept what he is or isn’t. Obviously he isn’t sheikh mansour or Abramovich. Once you accept that it’s alot easier to judge him. He’s an astute businessman whos plan from the start was to organically grow the club. Then you have to compare similar clubs to us 17 years ago and where are they now without oil billions. Villa Newcastle Everton even to a degree West Ham all had the same potential as us. Similar or better stadiums similar fan bases. But where are those clubs now and where are we. You have to look at the big picture to quantify Levy performance. Imo as long as we continue the same trajectory I don’t think anyone can not say Levy tenure is anything but a success. The stadium will be his legacy and gives the opportunity but not a guarantee to be at the top table for the next 50 years. You really can’t blame him for trophies. This decade and especially last 3 years we should have at least won a cup or 2. The squad has been clearly good enough to do that.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Before you can judge Levy you have to accept what he is or isn’t. Obviously he isn’t sheikh mansour or Abramovich. Once you accept that it’s alot easier to judge him. He’s an astute businessman whos plan from the start was to organically grow the club. Then you have to compare similar clubs to us 17 years ago and where are they now without oil billions. Villa Newcastle Everton even to a degree West Ham all had the same potential as us. Similar or better stadiums similar fan bases. But where are those clubs now and where are we. You have to look at the big picture to quantify Levy performance. Imo as long as we continue the same trajectory I don’t think anyone can not say Levy tenure is anything but a success. The stadium will be his legacy and gives the opportunity but not a guarantee to be at the top table for the next 50 years. You really can’t blame him for trophies. This decade and especially last 3 years we should have at least won a cup or 2. The squad has been clearly good enough to do that.

Financially we have always been bigger than those clubs. I don’t dispute he was a huge upgrade on the muppet that was/is Alan Sugar. He also hasn’t made the same mistakes that some of the clubs you mentioned have done and for that he deserves praise. The question for me is where from here ? I just think his focus is all about the value of the club and not success on the pitch. For example the NFL tie up is great if it leads to more revenue for investment in the football team but if not I really don’t give a toss about it.

 

[Lilbaz]

Financially we have always been bigger than those clubs. I don’t dispute he was a huge upgrade on the muppet that was/is Alan Sugar. He also hasn’t made the same mistakes that some of the clubs you mentioned have done and for that he deserves praise. The question for me is where from here ? I just think his focus is all about the value of the club and not success on the pitch. For example the NFL tie up is great if it leads to more revenue for investment in the football team but if not I really don’t give a toss about it.

Until 2 years ago we were much closer to west ham financially than liverpool. Everton and newcastle 10 years ago had similar turnovers to ours.