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Cornpattbuck

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There's been a lot of talk that we've also set out to produce the best 'away day' experience for fans of the opposition visiting us with this stadium.

I'm not sure if that all came to be, but of course there would then be a level of frustration if you're only able to charge the same price as Bog Standard Arena elsewhere in the country and not make your own decisions on price...

Are they also going to start commiting clubs to capped food and drink prices around the country?

It's always been more expensive in London, generally, than Burnley and that's nowt to do with Premier League football...
 

Colonel_Klinck

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I would imagine Levy gives zero fucks how he comes across from this article. His job is maximise income for THFC. I think he has a point. Charging the same price to visit say Bournemouth or Burnley against the other big 6 does seem a bit crazy. No offence to the smaller clubs but the difference between home tickets and away between the top 6 and smaller clubs I would imagine is huge.

Although looking at this the costs actually seem more like a north/south divide. ManU and Liverpool are pretty cheap. It is more expensive to go to a Fulham, West Ham or Brighton game.

https://www.goal.com/en/news/premie...ch-does-it-cost-to-/p3a46sx6u8kr14mmpp7kn5dwt
 

Lilbaz

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And yet Coops, when some people dare to suggest that Levy's determination to always "maximise profit" might account for the lack of significant investment in the squad, the outrage from certain quarters is deafening. What's that about, mate?! Surely, if you recognise that this is indeed the priority outcome that Levy actively pursues, you have to accept he'll deserve criticism when that policy conflicts with the needs of the football team? Inevitably, - and historically - this constant, unrelenting pursuit of "maximising profit" has resulted in an inability to move on "deadwood" and a consistent failure to acquire the manager's top targets. I don't think that's something that as supporters we just have to accept all of the time. I think we can hope to see our owners operate in a different way. Just once in a while, wouldn't you like to see the football side prioritised, mate?

It isn't all about maximising profit though it is also about growth. The academy, training ground and stadium are about growing the club. We are a better and bigger club than when he took over.
 

dontcallme

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It isn't all about maximising profit though it is also about growth. The academy, training ground and stadium are about growing the club. We are a better and bigger club than when he took over.
This is the interesting point for me.

You could argue that when ENIC took over we were in a similar position to Villa.

They put their money into the first team whereas we put our money into a variety areas.

We are beating them in every aspect.

Numerous teams without a sugar daddy have tried putting their main funds into the first team such as Newcastle, Leeds, West Ham etc.

None have prospered.
 

wrd

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I would imagine Levy gives zero fucks how he comes across from this article. His job is maximise income for THFC. I think he has a point. Charging the same price to visit say Bournemouth or Burnley against the other big 6 does seem a bit crazy. No offence to the smaller clubs but the difference between home tickets and away between the top 6 and smaller clubs I would imagine is huge.

Although looking at this the costs actually seem more like a north/south divide. ManU and Liverpool are pretty cheap. It is more expensive to go to a Fulham, West Ham or Brighton game.

https://www.goal.com/en/news/premie...ch-does-it-cost-to-/p3a46sx6u8kr14mmpp7kn5dwt

If we started charging the smaller clubs higher prices to see their team play against us, they'd return the favour by charging spurs fans high prices if they want to come to the reverse fixture knowing that fans with their loyalty will pay regardless, it's the spurs fans that lose in that scenario.
 

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You people talk as if we were always winning trophies pre Levy when in fact it was just as barren and practically all our modern day failings are as a direct link to the stewardship of Irving Scholar .
Thankfully we have a chairman who is building for long term stability that in my opinion we bring us success in regard to trophy ;s.
The fact is that if we had not got rid of Scholar we would in all probability no longer exist as in the way Chelsea would have went to the wall without Abramovich but unfortunately for us Sugar was not really a Football man but it was his money that saved us.
Long live Levy COYS
 

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Wasn't that his dad?
Yeah, but he worked there, either starting off behind the counter at the Walthamstow branch serving the public whilst plotting world domination or as a managing director, responsible for not signing clothes brands until 3 minutes before the denim deadline. Seems it went into administration recently, did a Leeds I guess.

Cheap tee shirts. Be careful what you wish for.
 

Giovanni

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Perhaps a good idea would to be to introduce a tier system which the gives a platform for a club to be allowed to charge within a certain price range. I agree with the notion that better stadia and facilities should allow for a club to charge visiting fans to reflect that.

So perhaps a 'star' system whereby you clubs away facilities qualify for a certain star rating and price.

3 Star (min req for a pl club) = £10-25
4 Star = £20-40
5 Star = £35-60

Ive not been lucky enough to go to any away games in my time so im not sure how reflective these prices are but im sure u get my drift.
Providing better facilities SHOULD allow for charging a higher priced charged.

Edit: And it would also encourage those who lack behind to improve visiting fans experiences. Im sure there are probably many clubs who consciously arent bothered by the away fans experiences and surrounding areas because they are merely passing fans.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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Maybe they want us to win trophies.


It could be argued that that's exactly what we're trying to do, rather than use the buying trophies route that the £1billion+ squads at Chel$ki & Man City used?

Again, I DO understand the silverware argument, and we DO need to win some, soon. However, if/when it does happen, will it not be me rewarding to know that we've done it organically, from still generated funds & top quality coaching and management?
 

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Perhaps a good idea would to be to introduce a tier system which the gives a platform for a club to be allowed to charge within a certain price range. I agree with the notion that better stadia and facilities should allow for a club to charge visiting fans to reflect that.

So perhaps a 'star' system whereby you clubs away facilities qualify for a certain star rating and price.

3 Star (min req for a pl club) = £10-25
4 Star = £20-40
5 Star = £35-60

Ive not been lucky enough to go to any away games in my time so im not sure how reflective these prices are but im sure u get my drift.
Providing better facilities SHOULD allow for charging a higher priced charged.

Edit: And it would also encourage those who lack behind to improve visiting fans experiences. Im sure there are probably many clubs who consciously aren't bothered by the away fans experiences and surrounding areas because they are merely passing fans.

Your suggested approach penalises small clubs and ensures the big clubs have the most revenue, thus the best players, thus the most success, thus the best stadium ... rinse and repeat. Good old fashioned supply and demand is the best way to go.
 

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However, if/when it sis happen, will it not be me rewarding to know that we've done it organically, from still generated funds & top quality coaching and management?
Personally, no. I couldn't give a shit how we do it. That's all for banter with other fans and the longer I've got in the tooth the less I care about that, any feeling of superiority over how we do it is going to be fleeting, in the moment so to speak, a Chelsea or City fan might get jealous but I couldn't care less wether they do or not. What counts is the winning. For me anyway, I'm sure plenty of people will disagree and that's cool, each to their own view
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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Personally, no. I couldn't give a shit how we do it. That's all for banter with other fans and the longer I've got in the tooth the less I care about that, any feeling of superiority over how we do it is going to be fleeting, in the moment so to speak, a Chelsea or City fan might get jealous but I couldn't care less wether they do or not. What counts is the winning. For me anyway, I'm sure plenty of people will disagree and that's cool, each to their own view


That's fair enough. I was very much speaking from a personal perspective, and fishing to see if @gaffers may have a similar viewpoint, or one that echoes your own.
 

absolute bobbins

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Maybe they want us to win trophies.
Can't do that without the revenue to fund a squad brah, where does that money come from? Broadcast and matchday revenue.

What an unconscionable bastard Levy is for wanting to maximise gate receipts, pay off the stadium and enable Spurs to truly compete.
 

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Personally, no. I couldn't give a shit how we do it. That's all for banter with other fans and the longer I've got in the tooth the less I care about that, any feeling of superiority over how we do it is going to be fleeting, in the moment so to speak, a Chelsea or City fan might get jealous but I couldn't care less wether they do or not. What counts is the winning. For me anyway, I'm sure plenty of people will disagree and that's cool, each to their own view

For me the point is how we improve within our own constraints.

No point in talking about the City and Chelsea models. They have huge money and spend in line with what they have.

We have the 6th biggest turnover in the league and a top four quality squad.

So lists of 5-6 new players are nonsense. We just won’t get that amount of players within our budget and pulling power to improve the squad.

We have good success with holding onto players and developing them to fit into the team.

We have struggled in the last 18 months to bring in top targets. Money is one factor but I don’t believe it is the only one.

This summer I hope we sell several players and find two top, realistic targets and go all out for them.
 

absolute bobbins

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For me the point is how we improve within our own constraints.

No point in talking about the City and Chelsea models. They have huge money and spend in line with what they have.

We have the 6th biggest turnover in the league and a top four quality squad.

So lists of 5-6 new players are nonsense. We just won’t get that amount of players within our budget and pulling power to improve the squad.

We have good success with holding onto players and developing them to fit into the team.

We have struggled in the last 18 months to bring in top targets. Money is one factor but I don’t believe it is the only one.

This summer I hope we sell several players and find two top, realistic targets and go all out for them.

This is what people fail to realise. There is a point where "if we pay them, they will come" goes out of the window and players will think more about where the biggest likelihood of success is.

If we somehow got tot the CL final and gave a really good account of ourselves or won the league whilst the northerners were trying to take lumps out of each other, we will find it easier to convince the right players to sign on the dotted line.
 

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For me the point is how we improve within our own constraints.

No point in talking about the City and Chelsea models. They have huge money and spend in line with what they have.

We have the 6th biggest turnover in the league and a top four quality squad.

So lists of 5-6 new players are nonsense. We just won’t get that amount of players within our budget and pulling power to improve the squad.

We have good success with holding onto players and developing them to fit into the team.

We have struggled in the last 18 months to bring in top targets. Money is one factor but I don’t believe it is the only one.

This summer I hope we sell several players and find two top, realistic targets and go all out for them.
What you quoting me for? I couldn’t care less how we do it. Your way, his way, their way, I have no preference, I’m a whore :D
 
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