Levy handed a lesson in how it is should be done.

[SpurSince57]

yes i could believe. especially if we it had got to last minutes and we were desperate. I could believe that totally.

Rasiak happened didnt it.

Not sure where you get your certainty that we know what we are doing from? Its just as much a leap of faith as believing we dont.

I'm sure you'd believe anything as long as it was totally negative.

 

[Mullers]

That would have been very clever. I'm sure he'd have repaid us with the same 100% commitment he's demonstrated ever since he signed up.

No, Campbell isn't the same quality. We obviously think he's worth a whirl though. And does anyone really think we're stupid enough not to have some right to buy clause inserted?

Until I hear differently yes I do think we're stupid enough not to have some right to buy clause. After all we we're stupid enough to sack a manager who got us two top five finishes and meet with his replacement during the summer and get caught out doing it.

 

[Stoof]

THFC have FINALLY become a JOKE. Levi and Co have managed to cement our future in the lower regions of the English game. Where are all the players that we have been 'dreaming about' over he last few weeks? In Levi/Comollis's heads? If I were Pav I would be dodging ALL phone calls with a Russian prefix! Pav must feel like a right PLONKER to be STUCK with a downwardly immobile band of Mothers.....Business sense is all very well but we are FANS and the RUBBISH that we witnessed last evening has knocked us back a full decade. How long will Ramos stay in the present climate? If I were him I would be 'checking out' the CHEAP Deals available. WHY do we bother? Levi has cost us more than he has gained us....in the balance sheet AND in the bragging rights......awwww but we are Yids.....STILL. No shoes, shorts, souls and soles....take your pick, said Levi and Comolli bough us a SHOVEL....That just about sums up where we are and where we are going! SOYS!

THFC FINALLY JOKE ALL PLONKER STUCK FANS RUBBISH CHEAP WHY AND STILL SHOVEL SOYS!

Well, huh. What d'ya know, taking just the words in capitals made more sense than the other rubbish. I wouldn't have bet that it would, but yep, more sense.

 

[charlatan.uk]

THFC FINALLY JOKE ALL PLONKER STUCK FANS RUBBISH CHEAP WHY AND STILL SHOVEL SOYS!

Well, huh. What d'ya know, taking just the words in capitals made more sense than the other rubbish. I wouldn't have bet that it would, but yep, more sense.

isnt this spam?

 

[Stoof]

isnt this spam?

Isn't your whole point completely ridiculous?

So it all goes horribly wrong.

Man Utd and Ferguson show Levy how it is done. Veni Vidi Vici.

By paying over the odds for a player they might not be able to use in Europe?

Our hard line stance got us an extra few few million and the chance to blood in a youngster for them. Yes thats right, a looooaaan deal for a kid that we give back to them

I highly doubt this - Jasper has said otherwise, and I fully expect it to be the caes that it's on our terms not theirs.

We have gone from Berbatov, Keane, Defoe, Bent

Overkill, where one was frequently left out.

To Pav, Bent, Man Utd lad on on work experience.

To two younger strikers, one who comes with a reputation for goals both Europe-wide and Internationally, and another who scored against the Champions Elect at the weekend (who has proven Premiership goal-scoring records, for Charlton). And what's more we've got a young striker that some of us have been crying out for since Neale Fenn.

Did Levy go back with a proper bid ever for Arshavin? We will never know, either way, it was all too late.

But if you did know, you'd spin it so it was his fault anyway.

Had Man Utd been in our shoes, Arshavin would be theirs this morning, i Have no doubt. Unfortunately we have Levy in our shoes and he got us Campbell. On loan.

What are you saying here? Are you saying if Manchester United (the Champions League Winners) were after a player, they would do better than us to get him? Like, I don't know, when they were trying to buy Berbatov from us? When instead of paying £20 million, they gave us £30 million and a hot prospect? Just what are you saying?

SO even if Campbell turns out to be a star turn still Man Utd win.

How do you know it's not in our hands? Choosing to think otherwise is just as wrong as presuming he does have an automatic "sign in January" clause. All that does is show your agenda and outlook.

I can't stand this doom and gloom. I understand we all want a bit of a vent, but I think this has gone on long enough now - surely if you just take a step back and think what position we were in (the end of last season was shocking: Berbatov and Keane or no Berbatov and no Keane) and what we have at our disposal now, then I can only see that as Tottenham Hotspur Football Club, as a sum of our parts that we are better.

 

[audreyfacere]

Had Man Utd been in our shoes, Arshavin would be theirs this morning

Er, Arshvin would have to have left Russia first - rather more difficult than flying up to Manchester I feel, short of Levy physically stopping this from happening it is difficult to see what the club could have done.

 

[charlatan.uk]

Isn't your whole point completely ridiculous?



By paying over the odds for a player they might not be able to use in Europe?



I highly doubt this - Jasper has said otherwise, and I fully expect it to be the caes that it's on our terms not theirs.



Overkill, where one was frequently left out.



To two younger strikers, one who comes with a reputation for goals both Europe-wide and Internationally, and another who scored against the Champions Elect at the weekend (who has proven Premiership goal-scoring records, for Charlton). And what's more we've got a young striker that some of us have been crying out for since Neale Fenn.



But if you did know, you'd spin it so it was his fault anyway.



What are you saying here? Are you saying if Manchester United (the Champions League Winners) were after a player, they would do better than us to get him? Like, I don't know, when they were trying to buy Berbatov from us? When instead of paying £20 million, they gave us £30 million and a hot prospect? Just what are you saying?



How do you know it's not in our hands? Choosing to think otherwise is just as wrong as presuming he does have an automatic "sign in January" clause. All that does is show your agenda and outlook.

I can't stand this doom and gloom. I understand we all want a bit of a vent, but I think this has gone on long enough now - surely if you just take a step back and think what position we were in (the end of last season was shocking: Berbatov and Keane or no Berbatov and no Keane) and what we have at our disposal now, then I can only see that as Tottenham Hotspur Football Club, as a sum of our parts that we are better.

You are assuming that Jasper is correct. Yet (this will probably get me a telling off) he was wrong on every single bit of info during the close season, which leads me to disregard this totally. I make no judgement on who or what other choose to believe.

 

[charlatan.uk]

Had Man Utd been in our shoes, Arshavin would be theirs this morning

Er, Arshvin would have to have left Russia first - rather more difficult than flying up to Manchester I feel, short of Levy physically stopping this from happening it is difficult to see what the club could have done.

sorry, no idea what you mean.

i think crossed wires?

 

[senseispab]

Let the midfield be the brains - like it should be.



This is the key thing that we'll need to clear up, and it will shift my turmoiled perspective depending on it's outcome.

And that's a Power to Buy clause [s'what I'm calling it ] in our favour, i.e. if we think he's had a good year and we cough up £[x] he's ours no matter what. Manchester United get no say in it etc.

I'm hoping for a squeaky-bum Chairman Statement on it all.

We've blatantly taken Campbell to tide us over until Jan or next Summer when we'll buy a proper replacement for Berbatov, having left it too late this time.

If there was a "Power to Buy" clause, we'd have heard about it.

 

[Greavesy]

We've blatantly taken Campbell to tide us over until Jan or next Summer when we'll buy a proper replacement for Berbatov, having left it too late this time.

If there was a "Power to Buy" clause, we'd have heard about it.

Agree with this. There's no way Levy would've missed the opportunity to appease the fans by at least stating that we've got an option to buy him. I hope I'm wrong though.

 

[charlatan.uk]

and so it is.

We get to help develop a player for Man Utd, they get our best player. Its a no lose situation. For Utd.


No buy ouy clause at all.

Utd have done a job on us. I guess I was right to put no faith in Jaspers comments.

 

[kicked]

I am not a money man or am i a football man. I'm just a Spurs fan. I love it when we win, I hate it when we lose!
However..all this about Berba and Levy being taught a lesson, he did right he did wrong...who knows what the correct thing to do was? He shoud have made Berba stay?? He didn't want to! Yes, Tottenham are a rich club and fairly big...but Utd are bigger...far bigger and they constantly challenge for major honors. We basically don't! He showed no passion that he wanted to play here anymore. So, would Levy be able to force him to play if he wasn't happy? Would it be in Spurs best interest to do that?? Or do we get the best price we can and work on some targets for January?? Then people throw in Manure kept Ronaldo, David Villa stayed where he was. Real are not that much bigger than Manure and Ronaldo is much younger than Berbatov (and Manure are european champions and premier league champions) so i'm sure its easy for him to wait another year! The same with Villa. He wasn't looking to leave his current club and was happy to sign a new contract. He also is young with time on his side!
Next...we have to replace like for like?? Why?? MJ played with 2 up front. The tall target man and a clean up man. We needed 4 for cover. Ramos is not playing with 2strikers. He's playing with 1 target man and using attacking midfielders as support. So he probably has no need for 4 first team strikers! Utd only have 2 now in Rooney and Berbatov! If our midfield can create and support or striker(s) then everything will be good.
Sam Alladyce (guy without a job) made a comment about selling Berba when he first wanted to go for little money obviously has never succeeded in running a big club. Probably why he struggled with big players on big wages at Newcastle. Spurs valued Berba at 30million. Rightly or wrongly. They said if someone wanted to buy, that was the price not a penny less! Roy Keane turned round and said 'if a player doesn't want to play for me, then i'll drive him personally to the airport'! I am very sure if he had a player of Berbas quality Niall Quinn would turn round and said, this player wants to go, fine, but he goes for the price WE are happy with!

There is so much more that we don't know or understand. Daniel Levy is there to keep the club running. He personally went out and made sure Modric signed. If we had waited we probably would have ended up paying more! We didn't get Arshavin, for whatever reason. Some say Zenit kept moving the posts, so fair enough! Levy and Spurs always said 30 million would get Berba, not a penny less. Zenit kept changing the price! We didn't get this player, we didn't get that player. Robihno went to Man Citeh cos they were the only club other than Chelsea that went in for him. He could not stay at Real after what he said in his news conference and Real probably didn't want to deal with Chelsea...so Citeh were his only outlet!

Levy did what he said he would do. Manure thought they would get Berba on the cheap, they didn't! Regardless of us getting a reserve on loan,we got over 30 million. Levy stood his ground which made Spurs look stronger for it! All clubs are a selling club at one point or another. But Levy showed yesterday that Spurs won't budge on a price for their best players and will stand their ground.

You'll either like or dislike Levy. I think he's done ok. The DoF on the other hand i feel is a poor appointment of the club but thats a different story!
What would we rather......Mike Ashley????

 

[Montasura]

I can't stand this doom and gloom. I understand we all want a bit of a vent, but I think this has gone on long enough now - surely if you just take a step back and think what position we were in (the end of last season was shocking: Berbatov and Keane or no Berbatov and no Keane) and what we have at our disposal now, then I can only see that as Tottenham Hotspur Football Club, as a sum of our parts that we are better.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Nice post Stoof.

People here seem too caught up in their own self loathing to actually notice the bigger picture. Too much "we didn't get a replacement for Berbatov" and not enough looking forward. The facts are:

Goalkeeping = much better
Defence = much better, particularly with the signing of Corluka who can play in several positions (including DM) comfortably.
Midfield = better
Attacking Midfield Options = MUCH better

Now on to the front line. First off, Berbs can never be replaced as I have never seen another player quite like him. BUT he is gone (and rightfully so) at the best possible price. Even come Jan he would have been worth a lot lower. Last season we had 4 strikers which was clearly a problem. Now we have three strikers who WILL score goals because that is what forwards do. Any forward is more than capable of scoring goals if provided excellent service from the midfield. We have that midfield.

As for Campbell. Too much "why should we blood another club's player". Who cares!! We needed forwards. Realistically we had one available in Bent. Now have have three....simple really. Whether Campbell stays or not is irrelevant....just as long as he scores some goals for us on the way. If he returns to Utd next season then there will have been two transfer windows in the meantime. I will be disgusted and ashamed if he gets stick from the crowd at The Lane.

So, if we stop dwelling on the past and on the financial wizardy of Levy and just look forward to the football, it is clear to see that we are in a better position than we were both last season and also last week. Add to that the fact we have £30m in the bank for January when very few others will have anything left to spend (bar Citeh, maybe!).

Anyway, I am well and truly with Stoof on this one, so lets just look forward to the football now the window is shut and get behind our boys !!!:clap:

 

[charlatan.uk]

That would have been very clever. I'm sure he'd have repaid us with the same 100% commitment he's demonstrated ever since he signed up.

No, Campbell isn't the same quality. We obviously think he's worth a whirl though. And does anyone really think we're stupid enough not to have some right to buy clause inserted?[/quote]

oops.

We really are stupid enough to cock anything up.

Nothing ever changes but the shoes.

 

[Mullers]

Take all ITK with a pinch of salt, Jasper called it as he saw it, posted in good faith, without songs and cryptic B.S. Thats good enough for me.:up:

 

[Mullers]

Tottenham's loan signing of Fraizer Campbell is not with a view to a permanent move.

Manchester United chief executive David Gill claims the club want the England Under-21 attacker to return to Old Trafford next summer to compete for a first-team spot.

The European champions rejected a £7 million bid from Hull City and other clubs were sniffing around the promising forward before Spurs insisted on his capture as part of the deal that took Dimitar Berbatov to United.

Sir Alex Ferguson is an admirer of the 20-year-old who will compete with Darren Bent and Roman Pavlyuchenko for a starting spot at White Hart Lane.

"We clearly rate Fraizer and he's a well sought-after young striker," said Gill to MUTV.

"We did receive offers to buy him but we didn't want to do that.

"We believe, and Alex believes, that he has a great future.

The fact is he's on loan at a great club like Tottenham, he'll get exposure in The Premier League and come back a better player and hopefully force his way into the team here.

"It's good for him and good for us."
http://sport.setanta.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/09/02/Prem-United-want-Campbell-back/

So it looks like the board really are that stupid.

 

[AlexSkree]

FAntastic..No point what so ever in getting him if u ask me.. I would rather go with Gio up front or who the fuck else than a red silly sausage.

 

[double0]

We have bought class so far this transfer window Levy and Comolie recognized the need to buy another experience striker but Milito for is age and price did not add up therefore Campbell on load to cover any shortage of options up front was logical..until Jan. As for the players we've acquired during the close season: Corluka, Modric, Gomes, Pavlyuchenko, Bentely, Dos Santos, Bostock,(Belgium kid who's name I've forgot) and Campbell on loan...IMO we've done good business.

 

[SpurSince57]

That would have been very clever. I'm sure he'd have repaid us with the same 100% commitment he's demonstrated ever since he signed up.

No, Campbell isn't the same quality. We obviously think he's worth a whirl though. And does anyone really think we're stupid enough not to have some right to buy clause inserted?[/quote]

oops.

We really are stupid enough to cock anything up.

Nothing ever changes but the shoes.

So we didn't. But then, according to many, he's total shit so what does it matter?

Of course, Gill may spout about wanting him back, and if it turns out he's pants they're very welcome. But if he looks good, and decides he has a better future at the Lane than at Old Trafford, he might not want to go back. In which case we could be in the driving seat.

Or perhaps we have someone lined up for January. Who knows?

Whatever, I've stayed positive about Spurs for over fifty years now, so you know what you can do with your puling, vomit-inducing negativity.