Levy, Kemsley & Jol

[Legend10]

I had a business meeting in town today with a guy that I have done business with over a number of years.

Anyway we are both involved in property and after our meeting we started discussing the industry in general and Paul Kemsley's and Daniel Levy's names came up as Rock Investments was mentioned.

To cut a long story short although I have known this guy for years I never knew he was a massive Spurs fan. As we talked it turns out that he knows daniel Levy and has done for years, he also knows another member of the board at Spurs whose name I can't remember. Anyway he has some contacts within the club that he talks to and although he rarely speaks to Levy these days he is certainly pretty well connected and he told me some interesting stuff.

Levy has never been interested in football and only bought the club to make money, i.e. there was no emotional purchase behind the club despite Jou Louis being apparently a big Spurs fan. In fact Louis is only interested in returns and has no emotion in whether we win or lose. He also told me that they would definitely sell out if they got a high enough offer.

Next point is apparently Levy has 2 sons, one of whom is a massive fan of you know who.................that's right, Arsenal.

The next point may interest a few of the people who seem to despise him on this site but the board member with the ambition to drive the club forward and win trophies and have some footballing glory is in fact Kemsley who is apparently a massive fan and totally loves the club. But as reported Kemsley does genuinely think that Jol is crap and has been trying to persuade Levy to get rid of him for 18 months. Kemsley did as was mooted try to get in Harry Redknapp along with Jamie in january and the deal was only halted by Levy saying no as he feared a fans revolt at removing the popular Jol for Redknapp.

He went on to tell me that nobody and he did say nobody on the board rates Jol and they haven't for ages and if it wasn't for the crowd he would have gone a good while back. However they are really stuck now as they can't find anybody of a good enough calibre to replace him with. I asked about Klinsmann and he told me that they felt he would be too much of a risk because of his lack of club experience.

He also said that he didn't really understand what was going on with Comolli and why he was there. But explained that the reason we appointed Arnesen and then Comolli is because Sugar (who is a mate of levy) told Levy when he took over that he should definitely appoint a board member between himself and the manager and this was due to problems between Sugar and Graham.

But the most interesting for me was he really painted a different picture of kemsley than is perceived by the Spurs public. Hestressed that he would be a brilliant chairman and the most outspoken in the league and would do anything in his power to make Spurs successful. He is also apparently really popular in the world that he mixes in and is best friends with not just Mike Ashley but also Phillip Green. He told me he didn't know but felt it was possible that Kemsley would come back with a consortium to buy the club.

The above maybe of interest and for some it may not. For some people they might feel they know all of the above already, but I thought that i would share anyway.

 

[Chatterbox1169]

:eh: Interesting!!!!????

 

[SpurSince57]

I knew Lewis wasn't a Spurs fan, or even interested in football, but the general assumption has been that Levy is. Kemsley certainly is, and there have been hints that if he doesn't rate Jol, Jol doesn't rate him or the board's knowledge of football too highly either.

All in all, it sounds a tad shambolic, and as if behind-the-scenes politics are causing no end of grief. As Mido said.

 

[Mullers]

Assuming this is true, it really does go to show that the board don't know what they are talking about.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The board are right to doubt Jol's ability. And if that's the case then they have to make attempts to replace him. Ramos would be on anybody's short list, including some bigger names than ours after his recent successes. It was a big storm in a tea cup because Jol is adored by the gullable and the press love nothing better thn making hay at our (or any club that can sell papers) expense.
There is no way - as I said a couple of weks ago that Kelmsley was acting without Levy's blessing/instruction and it was ridiculous to suggest as much.

Apart from that what politics ? what shambles ? what grief ? The board and DOF's have advanced the club on and off the pitch in the last 3/4 years. And no, I don't exclude Jol from that process.

Why should it concern anybody that our board is run by businessman who's goal is to maximise the value of our club ? Manchester United are run the same way. That is why the DOF is vital. The board make finacialy motivated decisions - who better to do that - the days of trusting a former footballer who finished school at 12 with GCSE in woodwork with the fiscal running of a club's business is over. The manager coaches and manages the players and the DOF is the conduit. He controls scouting, recruitment and player development with input from top and bottom.

The only grief from Mido's perspective could be that Jol wanted to keep him and Comoli realised he was a bit shit.

 

[Legend10]

The board are right to doubt Jol's ability. And if that's the case then they have to make attempts to replace him. Ramos would be on anybody's short list, including some bigger names than ours after his recent successes. It was a big storm in a tea cup because Jol is adored by the gullable and the press love nothing better thn making hay at our (or any club that can sell papers) expense.
There is no way - as I said a couple of weks ago that Kelmsley was acting without Levy's blessing/instruction and it was ridiculous to suggest as much.

Apart from that what politics ? what shambles ? what grief ? The board and DOF's have advanced the club on and off the pitch in the last 3/4 years. And no, I don't exclude Jol from that process.

Why should it concern anybody that our board is run by businessman who's goal is to maximise the value of our club ? Manchester United are run the same way. That is why the DOF is vital. The board make finacialy motivated decisions - who better to do that - the days of trusting a former footballer who finished school at 12 with GCSE in woodwork with the fiscal running of a club's business is over. The manager coaches and manages the players and the DOF is the conduit. He controls scouting, recruitment and player development with input from top and bottom.

The only grief from Mido's perspective could be that Jol wanted to keep him and Comoli realised he was a bit shit.

agree with most of that.

i don't really understand the anti board mentality, as you say they have only really made 1 mistake, and that was getting caught talking to Ramos.

I think Mido's comenmts were said more in the direction of Jol than the board.

 

[SpurSince57]

The board are right to doubt Jol's ability. And if that's the case then they have to make attempts to replace him. Ramos would be on anybody's short list, including some bigger names than ours after his recent successes. It was a big storm in a tea cup because Jol is adored by the gullable and the press love nothing better thn making hay at our (or any club that can sell papers) expense.
There is no way - as I said a couple of weks ago that Kelmsley was acting without Levy's blessing/instruction and it was ridiculous to suggest as much.

Apart from that what politics ? what shambles ? what grief ? The board and DOF's have advanced the club on and off the pitch in the last 3/4 years. And no, I don't exclude Jol from that process.

Why should it concern anybody that our board is run by businessman who's goal is to maximise the value of our club ? Manchester United are run the same way. That is why the DOF is vital. The board make finacialy motivated decisions - who better to do that - the days of trusting a former footballer who finished school at 12 with GCSE in woodwork with the fiscal running of a club's business is over. The manager coaches and manages the players and the DOF is the conduit. He controls scouting, recruitment and player development with input from top and bottom.

The only grief from Mido's perspective could be that Jol wanted to keep him and Comoli realised he was a bit shit.

The shambles created by tapping up another team's manager one game into the season? How competent was that? You may dismiss it as a storm in a teacup if you will.

Is Ramos going to be flavour of the month much longer anyway? Sevilla are not doing a great deal better than us at the moment, had a not particularly convincing win over Levante at the weekend and another one over Steaua tonight, and have Real, Villareal and Valencia coming up in rapid succession. If Ramos doesn't manage a remarkable turn-around he'll be in the same boat as Jol.

 

[sunnydelight786]

The shambles created by tapping up another team's manager one game into the season? How competent was that? You may dismiss it as a storm in a teacup if you will.

Is Ramos going to be flavour of the month much longer anyway? Sevilla are not doing a great deal better than us at the moment, had a not particularly convincing win over Levante at the weekend and another one over Steaua tonight, and have Real, Villareal and Valencia coming up in rapid succession. If Ramos doesn't manage a remarkable turn-around he'll be in the same boat as Jol.

Ramos has 2 Uefa cups, 1 Spanish cup, 1 European Super cup, 1 Spanish Super Cup, a 5th place finish and a 3rd place finish in the Spanish League (they were still in with a shout of winning it on the last day) to show for in a shorter space of time than Jol has been our manager. All the above has been achieved with a fraction of what our budget is and playing attacking attractive football home and away. Oh and by the way, yes they may not have had the best of starts but the last time i checked Seville are not in the bottom 3 and have 6 points out of 9 in the CL group they are in.

So your right, Seville are not that much better off than us at the moment!!!

 

[Mullers]

The board are right to doubt Jol's ability. And if that's the case then they have to make attempts to replace him. Ramos would be on anybody's short list, including some bigger names than ours after his recent successes. It was a big storm in a tea cup because Jol is adored by the gullable and the press love nothing better thn making hay at our (or any club that can sell papers) expense.
There is no way - as I said a couple of weks ago that Kelmsley was acting without Levy's blessing/instruction and it was ridiculous to suggest as much.

He is adored because of two top 5 finishes for someone to top that according to the boards logic and some others any new manager must finish top four. They will have two years to do that in probably, which is the same amount of time as it appears Jol's been given.

I wish who ever takes the job in that scenario good luck, because they're going to need it.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

We may never agree on ramos SS. But the fact is he has won the EUFA cup two seasons running, the Spanish cup (twice ?) the super cup.

His team plays good football, but are well disciplined. He hasn't spent vast firtunes doing it either.

Now you may try to belittle some of those achivements or the fact that he has taken a side like Sevilla and competed pretty well with laviathans like Real Madrid, Barcalona etc.

But if you are going to change your manager, can you think of too many - on the up, progressive - managers with better credentials to replace Jol currently available, who might actually come ?

Once you get over the emotional hurdle of accepting Jol's time may be up, can you come up with many better realistic candidates ?

 

[sunnydelight786]

We may never agree on ramos SS. But the fact is he has won the EUFA cup two seasons running, the Spanish cup (twice ?) the super cup.

His team plays good football, but are well disciplined. He hasn't spent vast firtunes doing it either.

Now you may try to belittle some of those achivements or the fact that he has taken a side like Sevilla and competed pretty well with laviathans like Real Madrid, Barcalona etc.

But if you are going to change your manager, can you think of too many - on the up, progressive - managers with better credentials to replace Jol currently available, who might actually come ?

Once you get over the emotional hurdle of accepting Jol's time may be up, can you come up with many better realistic candidates ?

Not much chance of that happening BC.

 

[Mullers]

There aren't any realistic candidates which is why people should leave MJ to get on with his job. I don't think Ramos can even speak english which is a major stumbling block in my book( remember santini?) On second thoughts get Ramos perhaps he'll bring kanoute back here and we can have a kanoute/ Defoe partnership back again.:roll:

 

[sloth]

See I suspect Kemsley would be very popular with a certain type of East End Barrow boy made good. He's clearly got a massive ego, he comes across as a dick, the statements he's made show a lack of respect for the public and everything shouts to me of another Fat Freddy Shepherd. You can be very smart and be successful in property, crucially however it doesn't always take brains to succeed.

Finally, wanting to sack Jol and bring in 'arry was stupid, wanting to do it mid season even dumber and why anyone would want Jamie back is another mystery. We had a lucky escape there. I want a chairman and a board who are humble enough to see the club comes first, not someone who wants to wear the chairmanship like some gaudy gold chain about his neck.

 

[sloth]

We may never agree on ramos SS. But the fact is he has won the EUFA cup two seasons running, the Spanish cup (twice ?) the super cup.

His team plays good football, but are well disciplined. He hasn't spent vast firtunes doing it either.

Now you may try to belittle some of those achivements or the fact that he has taken a side like Sevilla and competed pretty well with laviathans like Real Madrid, Barcalona etc.

But if you are going to change your manager, can you think of too many - on the up, progressive - managers with better credentials to replace Jol currently available, who might actually come ?

Once you get over the emotional hurdle of accepting Jol's time may be up, can you come up with many better realistic candidates ?

You hit the nail on the head there BC, lol. He's like a dog on a bone isn't he, every chance he gets he tries some spurious slur. He's articulate, I'll give him that, but there's also a wilful blindness there.

 

[Dougal]

Next point is apparently Levy has 2 sons, one of whom is a massive fan of you know who.................that's right, Arsenal.

That point was well covered when Levy took over. He had a season ticket for both clubs.

 

[Dougal]

To cut a long story short although I have known this guy for years I never knew he was a massive Spurs fan.

How does this happen? Most people I know find out I’m a yid the day they meet me.

 

[llamafarmer]

Why should it concern anybody that our board is run by businessman who's goal is to maximise the value of our club ? Manchester United are run the same way. That is why the DOF is vital. The board make finacialy motivated decisions - who better to do that - the days of trusting a former footballer who finished school at 12 with GCSE in woodwork with the fiscal running of a club's business is over.

But is trusting a successful businessman in a suit with the footballing side of a football club much better? In theory a DOF is great as he bridges that gap, but I don't think ours does it well enough.

Not all footballers are idiots - Klinsmann appeals to me because he is clearly intelligent, strong willed, educated and keen to learn. If there's a next Wenger out there (yep, sadly I think he's the benchmark) other than Mourinho, then I think it's Jurgen. He needs a board who will stay out of the football side and simply give him a budget to do with as he wants. If they don't take a risk on a manager I don't believe we'll ever go better than the last 2 seasons. (Mourinho is the only exception imo - but I don't believe we'd get him).

 

[tototoner]

I had a business meeting in town today with a guy that I have done business with over a number of years.

Anyway we are both involved in property and after our meeting we started discussing the industry in general and Paul Kemsley's and Daniel Levy's names came up as Rock Investments was mentioned.

To cut a long story short although I have known this guy for years I never knew he was a massive Spurs fan. As we talked it turns out that he knows daniel Levy and has done for years, he also knows another member of the board at Spurs whose name I can't remember. Anyway he has some contacts within the club that he talks to and although he rarely speaks to Levy these days he is certainly pretty well connected and he told me some interesting stuff.

Levy has never been interested in football and only bought the club to make money, i.e. there was no emotional purchase behind the club despite Jou Louis being apparently a big Spurs fan. In fact Louis is only interested in returns and has no emotion in whether we win or lose. He also told me that they would definitely sell out if they got a high enough offer.

Next point is apparently Levy has 2 sons, one of whom is a massive fan of you know who.................that's right, Arsenal.

The next point may interest a few of the people who seem to despise him on this site but the board member with the ambition to drive the club forward and win trophies and have some footballing glory is in fact Kemsley who is apparently a massive fan and totally loves the club. But as reported Kemsley does genuinely think that Jol is crap and has been trying to persuade Levy to get rid of him for 18 months. Kemsley did as was mooted try to get in Harry Redknapp along with Jamie in january and the deal was only halted by Levy saying no as he feared a fans revolt at removing the popular Jol for Redknapp.

He went on to tell me that nobody and he did say nobody on the board rates Jol and they haven't for ages and if it wasn't for the crowd he would have gone a good while back. However they are really stuck now as they can't find anybody of a good enough calibre to replace him with. I asked about Klinsmann and he told me that they felt he would be too much of a risk because of his lack of club experience.

He also said that he didn't really understand what was going on with Comolli and why he was there. But explained that the reason we appointed Arnesen and then Comolli is because Sugar (who is a mate of levy) told Levy when he took over that he should definitely appoint a board member between himself and the manager and this was due to problems between Sugar and Graham.

But the most interesting for me was he really painted a different picture of kemsley than is perceived by the Spurs public. Hestressed that he would be a brilliant chairman and the most outspoken in the league and would do anything in his power to make Spurs successful. He is also apparently really popular in the world that he mixes in and is best friends with not just Mike Ashley but also Phillip Green. He told me he didn't know but felt it was possible that Kemsley would come back with a consortium to buy the club.

The above maybe of interest and for some it may not. For some people they might feel they know all of the above already, but I thought that i would share anyway.

thanx for this

 

[sunnydelight786]

There aren't any realistic candidates which is why people should leave MJ to get on with his job. I don't think Ramos can even speak english which is a major stumbling block in my book( remember santini?) On second thoughts get Ramos perhaps he'll bring kanoute back here and we can have a kanoute/ Defoe partnership back again.:roll:

I think you will find that he speak's fluent English. Don't let a good lie/myth get in the way of the truth eh....:roll:

 

[ShadyRay]

Yeah, a lot of that is true. Only the bit about him not being a Spurs fan is tosh. He's very much a Spurs fan, as is his wife.