Levy plans to stay long term but must consider takeover bids

[Paolo10]

Leicester City, premier league and league cup.

Every time I see that, it makes me think how fucking close we were and that (arguably ofc) if Levy had've gambled a bit better on a few of the right players we might have won the league that season (as I felt our football deserved tbh).

Fuck I hate Leciester.

 

[LeParisien]

...If we’re going to be run as a property company rather than a football club I’d rather our chairman was someone who was experienced in big property projects rather than Daniel Levy who patently isn’t. If you think they aren’t running a property business consider how the club’s cash flow has been used or what the £1bn is currently being spent on. It isn’t the football stadium which is around £400m, the rest is residential property, a hotel and a supermarket. Add to this that ENIC directly have bought up vast chunks of property around the stadium to try and benefit from the uplift in values from the regeneration of the area and I think you get a super clear picture of where ENIC’s interests lie and it isn’t in the football side. Call me old fashioned but I’d prefer owners who are focussed on maximising the football operations of our football club rather than playing at being wannabe property developers.

Will Tottenham Hotspur Football Club stand to benefit from these property investments (stadium and miscellaneous) ?

If so, how confident can you be in your assertion that we are more focused on property than football?

 

[vegassd]

In the period of time Enic have been at Spurs, Leicester have built a new a stadium, risen from league one back to the premier league, won the league cup and won the premier league.

I'd say they've done pretty well when you consider where they are in both the country and the football world.

Bottom line is, in 18 years or so, they have been more successful than us lol.

Can't argue with that mate. Especially considering it was also Leicester in the final the year before who lost to us.

I reckon the "more successful" bit is where there is some subjectivity. I can see why many people equate success to trophies (it's the end goal after all) but I for one think there is a bit more nuance to it than that. Their new stadium was smaller/similar to our old one I believe, and they haven't had the same degree of European football that we've been enjoying. But they have certainly won more stuff.

Perhaps this is where the entire argument about the Levy/ENIC ownership boils down to - how a football fan measures success. I would have loved it if we had won the league for each of the past 20 years, but it wouldn't be so that I can reel off a bunch of stats to my mates in the pub. It would have been for the enjoyment of watching the games, and specifically watching good football.

Loads of people will think I'm stupid of course - how could anyone be happy without a full trophy cabinet? - but I get tonnes of enjoyment seeing us beating (even just playing) Real Madrid, watching Kane score relentlessly against Arsenal, seeing five players make a high press as a pack although we are already 3-0 up. I hope we do win something with this team but I'll remember it as a great period nonetheless.

Cue the neg ratings...

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Can't argue with that mate. Especially considering it was also Leicester in the final the year before who lost to us.

I reckon the "more successful" bit is where there is some subjectivity. I can see why many people equate success to trophies (it's the end goal after all) but I for one think there is a bit more nuance to it than that. Their new stadium was smaller/similar to our old one I believe, and they haven't had the same degree of European football that we've been enjoying. But they have certainly won more stuff.

Perhaps this is where the entire argument about the Levy/ENIC ownership boils down to - how a football fan measures success. I would have loved it if we had won the league for each of the past 20 years, but it wouldn't be so that I can reel off a bunch of stats to my mates in the pub. It would have been for the enjoyment of watching the games, and specifically watching good football.

Loads of people will think I'm stupid of course - how could anyone be happy without a full trophy cabinet? - but I get tonnes of enjoyment seeing us beating (even just playing) Real Madrid, watching Kane score relentlessly against Arsenal, seeing five players make a high press as a pack although we are already 3-0 up. I hope we do win something with this team but I'll remember it as a great period nonetheless.

Cue the neg ratings...

I don't neg rep....


I agree that in that time we have consistently been in and around the top 5-6 and recently higher. We'd have made a shit load more money, had more games in Europe Etc.
But in terms of pure stats, they have won stuff and we haven't.

 

[sammyj]

Every time I see that, it makes me think how fucking close we were and that (arguably ofc) if Levy had've gambled a bit better on a few of the right players we might have won the league that season (as I felt our football deserved tbh).

Fuck I hate Leciester.

and there fans

 

[LeParisien]

I don't neg rep....


I agree that in that time we have consistently been in and around the top 5-6 and recently higher. We'd have made a shit load more money, had more games in Europe Etc.
But in terms of pure stats, they have won stuff and we haven't.

They won a freak EPL more than us.

Their league cup win was in 2000 - before levy became chairman. Very arbitrary because the season before we won the league cup. Who did we beat? Leicester City.

So they have a league on us. In all that time.

But of course that ignores champions league nights and average league position and so many things in that time. Hardly jealous are we !

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

They won a freak EPL more than us.

Their league cup win was in 2000 - before levy became chairman. Very arbitrary because the season before we won the league cup. Who did we beat? Leicester City.

So they have a league on us. In all that time.

But of course that ignores champions league nights and average league position and so many things in that time. Hardly jealous are we !

If you look on Wikipedia it'll tell you they won the premier league and we didn't.
I know that's not telling the full story, but in 50 years, if we carry on, people will look back and say "wow, even Leicester won the premier league, Tottenham didn't'

 

[LeParisien]

If you look on Wikipedia it'll tell you they won the premier league and we didn't.
I know that's not telling the full story, but in 50 years, if we carry on, people will look back and say "wow, even Leicester won the premier league, Tottenham didn't'

“If we carry on”.

Correct.

Big if to say what will happen over coming 50 years.

Leicester could be dominant in 30 years.
We could be dominant in 7 years.

 

[yankspurs]

LZ I fully support your Position, some people on here love to spout a load of ill researched drivel, which drives me nuts!
Anyone with real development experience will telll you that complex projects can and do overrun for a multitude of reasons both in time and costs.
Factors like Brexit, and the falling pound can have an effect, although my information is that Tavistock hedged their currency risk.

Furthemore, Tavistock have a wealth of real estate experience, huge track record in building large and complex projects.

With a thoughtful, forward-looking vision and a nimble, collaborative team, Tavistock Development Company is focused on creating long-term value in projects that inspire. With an array of services – planning, design, finance, construction and development – Tavistock Development had built a portfolio of nationally acclaimed properties, including the 17-square-mile, master-planned community Lake Nona in Orlando, which Fortune heralded as “the future of cities.”

http://www.tavistock.com/portfolio/

if you are so inclined to check out , the Commercial, Residential, Hotels, Resorts and the Nexus Luxury Collection, plus parts of Lyford Cay, In the Bahamas are just some of the projects they have developed.
Uncle Joe is hardly a real estate novice.
In fact i would go so far as to say they are an extremely high class team.
They are not novices.
A little bit of perspective, Wembley Stadium took 5 years to be built. NWHL is likely to be delayed a few months. and will most likely open by XMAS

They also have quite a few other real estate arms that are branch companies of the overarching tavistock but arent mentioned on their site but have employees all over the place. If there is one thing Tavistock is hugely experienced in, it’s real estate.

 

[vegassd]

I don't neg rep....

I agree that in that time we have consistently been in and around the top 5-6 and recently higher. We'd have made a shit load more money, had more games in Europe Etc.
But in terms of pure stats, they have won stuff and we haven't.

Was expecting the negs from others. I've enjoyed reading your posts in this thread.

I 100% agree that Leicester have won more than us this century - that cannot be disputed. But so have Portsmouth, Wigan (lol), Birmingham (lol more!), Swansea, Middlesborough and even Blackburn.

I had to look Boro up, and that sort of demonstrates where I'm coming from with the success stuff. It's written in the history books that Middlesborough won the league cup in 2004, but do many people (outside of Middlesborough) remember that game? Do people sit down in pubs and say that Boro are better than Spurs because they have more recent silverware? I doubt they do. Would Boro fans exchange that league cup victory for a 60k stadium and CL football? My guess would be that many would.

It's actually fairly depressing to look at the recent cup/league winners in this country and see them dominated by the "big 4" then joined by City in more recent years. City are the only team who have made a consistent dent in the big 4 dominance and we've seen the insane amount of money they have had to spend to do it. A depressing state of the game really.

So all the other clubs are basically scrabbling around trying to find a way to win something. Of the 54 trophies on offer since 2000 (three per year) only 8 have been won by the non-powerhouse clubs. 5 of those 8 victories were in the league cup. It's incredibly hard to win stuff in this country so I think it's important to judge success on a range of factors. Otherwise we may as well all pack up and go home!

When you look at the general football landscape it seems a bloody miracle we have done as well as we have done. We haven't troubled the history books of late, but if we do in the next few years it wouldn't feel like a fluke. Here's hoping.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

It is worrying how many little clubs have managed at least and FAC final in the last 27 years and we can't get past the semi with eleventy goes.

 

[RichieS]

It is worrying how many little clubs have managed at least and FAC final in the last 27 years and we can't get past the semi with eleventy goes.

Surely "eleventy" semis is a better indicator of long term quality than a single futile run to the final?

And do you really think that (e.g.) Man City would have underestimated us in the same way they underestimated Wigan last season?

 

[Metalhead]

They won a freak EPL more than us.

Their league cup win was in 2000 - before levy became chairman. Very arbitrary because the season before we won the league cup. Who did we beat? Leicester City.

So they have a league on us. In all that time.

But of course that ignores champions league nights and average league position and so many things in that time. Hardly jealous are we !

Not jealous but definitely envious that they won a league title, freak or not. Spurs were built on the concept of glory and even though the progress is fantastic, as fans we should never allow ourselves to be distracted from the idea that the ultimate aim of football fans is to see our club win silverware.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Surely "eleventy" semis is a better indicator of long term quality than a single futile run to the final?

And do you really think that (e.g.) Man City would have underestimated us in the same way they underestimated Wigan last season?

We lost to Portsmouth one year.
We also lost to Chelsea and United in the last two years despite IMO, being the better team.

Once or twice losers is bad luck.
11 times is a bloody hex.

 

[mkkid]

He's not paid 7m per year.

Can you name a club outside the top 6 who have won more than one trophy in the last 18 years?

Leicester,try harder...

 

[mkkid]

Pochettino hasn't won a trophy in the 9 years he's been managing. By your reckoning he is a failure and should be sacked?

That game is about winning, to be an elite manager he needs to stop being the bridesmaid and winning big games. Should of beat Utd, chelsea x2 and Juventus. Three of those games, spurs were leading.

 

[vegassd]

Leicester,try harder...

Yeah, we've done that already. Any thoughts on the relative merits of it?

Are Leicester a better club than us because they have won more?
Are the clubs who have picked up a single trophy (Portsmouth, Birmingham, Wigan etc.) equally as good as us because they have the same number of trophies?
If we get to the CL final but lose does that mean we are crap because we didn't win anything?

 

[Lilbaz]

Leicester,try harder...

Depends what way you look at it. Leicester won the league cup in the 1999/00 season we are now in the 18/19 season. Levy did start before leicester won though.

 

[mkkid]

Depends what way you look at it. Leicester won the league cup in the 1999/00 season we are now in the 18/19 season. Levy did start before leicester won though.

Is there an for straw icon.
For a club of club of Tottenham size. One trophy is 18 years is failure and your comparing Tottenham with Portsmouth, Birmingham, Wigan.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

I’d like us to win a trophy, I really would. But I’m also happy watching a team like us, play like we do. I love watching us in the Champions League, I love the fact last years’ winners couldn’t beat us on the two occasions we met each other. I love getting top billing on MOTD, I love that we have a brilliant young manager with a superb ethos that either carries across to his players or they’re quickly dropped. Would I take a single league title like Leicester, if it meant changing managers every couple of seasons and not playing the kind of football we play, and not seeing us develop in the CL? Probably not. And they’re either 7th or 8th highest wage payers in the league, against us at 6th- so really not much in it in terms of what we spend. Yet we have an infinitely better squad- one that’s been nurtured over the last four seasons. I’d love an FA Cup or two, but other than a royal piss up that evening and a gooey feeling that quickly transmutes to nostalgia, this is nothing on sustained quality, which is what we currently have. If we eventually combine this with trophies, I’ll be marching to my vasectomist to demand he rewire my hard drive, that’s how much it’ll probably mean to me. But until then, I’d take what we currently have and favour patience