Levy plans to stay long term but must consider takeover bids

[Shadydan]

He has literally said he doesn't about cup competitions and I agree its sad..

Link?

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

The irony was that Sugar was at the centre of the whole football revolution in conjunction with Sky.

But a man with the vision of Stevie Wonder..

 

[Lighty64]

Elite manager win big games, Poch doesn't yet, How many cup games have we lost at home ( Arsenal, palace, Leverkusen, Dortmund, West ham, Juve, man utd, even the draw against Ghent) or something doesn't go our way.

the trouble is with all cups we don't have the depth of squad, and in later rounds if we are in a position to finish in the top 4 at the moment we have to put all our eggs in that. we all want trophies, by financially at the moment top 4 is crucial. we can't afford to be having a big drop in our crowds if we drop out of the top 4, and a half empty stadium because we are in the Europa through winning the CoC or FA Cup.

while in the top 4, the better chance of getting sponsors for the stadium. winning 1 of the domestic cups won't do it.

 

[Metalhead]

But a man with the vision of Stevie Wonder..

Yep, unfortunately there was never a grand plan.

 

[Metalhead]

the trouble is with all cups we don't have the depth of squad, and in later rounds if we are in a position to finish in the top 4 at the moment we have to put all our eggs in that. we all want trophies, by financially at the moment top 4 is crucial. we can't afford to be having a big drop in our crowds if we drop out of the top 4, and a half empty stadium because we are in the Europa through winning the CoC or FA Cup.

while in the top 4, the better chance of getting sponsors for the stadium. winning 1 of the domestic cups won't do it.

True and unfortunately our chances of winning the big two trophies are slim.

 

[Lighty64]

True and unfortunately our chances of winning the big two trophies are slim.

when your fighting against 10 money clubs it's hard to win anything. in the old days the top teams always put their eggs into winning the league to then qualify for the top comp, European cup, in which I think was around 11-13 max games from start to the final. get 1 of the teams from the middle of nowhere and get a good win 1st leg, you could rest players. now days you have to win the 1st 4 to consider resting, but only get to play 1 easy team if your lucky.

 

[Metalhead]

when your fighting against 10 money clubs it's hard to win anything. in the old days the top teams always put their eggs into winning the league to then qualify for the top comp, European cup, in which I think was around 11-13 max games from start to the final. get 1 of the teams from the middle of nowhere and get a good win 1st leg, you could rest players. now days you have to win the 1st 4 to consider resting, but only get to play 1 easy team if your lucky.

I know + you had a second European competition, which was really not far below the European cup. Even the cup winners cup used to be pretty prestigious.

 

[vegassd]

Newcastle are a myth my granddad cant remember them winning a trophy, TV pushes this myth about them. Villa haven't been relevant since the early 80s ,both clubs have been relegated numerous times since the 1980s. It not the 1990s anymore and a lot of our fanbase need to realise this and demand more of board and not be grateful for crumbs from the masters plate.
Since the 50s, spurs have averaged a trophy every 5 years.
Id love to win the CL, but I feel the club don't share the same ambition.
West Ham are nothing like us, they have won 4 trophy in there entire history ,unless you count the world cup!
They haven't got our fanbase and play in a Altheltics stadium that they don't own and if they managed to buy them have to spent 400 million to rebuild it as well as rebuilding the team.
They have to compete Against Arsenal, Man utd,Tottenham , Chelsea, Liverpool and Everton, who all have better teams and fanbases.
Any team can be lucky in the cup, unless its us as the manager doesn't care about domestic cups.

You say that our fanbase needs to realise it's not the 90s anymore and then quote our average trophy frequency since the 50s. How does that work? Surely it's more relevant to look at the past 30 years than the past 70 years, especially given the rampant money situation at present which is nothing like the landscape in the 50/60s.

My point about Newcastle was not about trophies. It was in response to your comment that Spurs are one of the biggest clubs in the country and therefore don't have to worry about relegation. I would agree with you on that. However, when you look back to the 2000 (we are talking about Levy/ENIC here) you would have to say that Villa and Newcastle are both clubs of a similar size. I'm sure their fans thought that they wouldn't get relegated but they both have, so there must be something that Spurs have done well since then to ensure we avoid that.

For West Ham, I was comparing the West Ham of now to the Spurs of the 90s. Our global fan base must have been far below 10m. We had plenty of teams above us in terms of revenue and playing staff. My question was what should they do to get themselves up to where we are now?

I would agree with @punkisback about how Spurs have been investing in infrastructure. I would add that we seem to have spent a lot of effort in building our global brand. A lot of people complain that Levy doesn't understand modern football but I would argue that this sort of off-the-pitch investment and brand building is very in tune with the modern game.

It's a shame that money plays such a huge part in the game these days, but no amount of grumbling is going to change that. If you want to win things on any sort of regular basis these days you need to be sat at the big boy's table, and to get there you either need to spend PSG/City money or to build your club gradually.

 

[coys200]

Would he ever sell to Arabs ?

 

[TC18]

Would he ever sell to Arabs ?

I know Liverpool have a much bigger fan base than us and maybe I’m underestimating that fact a bit but, why would you buy them over us?

For the same price you could have a team that’s finished above them regularly, a state or the art training ground with its own luxury hotel, a brand new multi use stadium with an NFL contract.

We don’t yet even have a main sponsor for the stadium so they could even let one of their rich family members plaster there name all over it.

Surely if your serious about dumping £2billion into a PL team you would also look what else you can get for your money, maybe ENIC told them no as well.

 

[coys200]

I know Liverpool have a much bigger fan base than us and maybe I’m underestimating that fact a bit but, why would you buy them over us?

For the same price you could have a team that’s finished above them regularly, a state or the art training ground with its own luxury hotel, a brand new multi use stadium with an NFL contract.

We don’t yet even have a main sponsor for the stadium so they could even let one of their rich family members plaster there name all over it.

Surely if your serious about dumping £2billion into a PL team you would also look what else you can get for your money, maybe ENIC told them no as well.

Yup and a London team. Liverpool still have to redevelop 3/4 of their stadium. Within 5 years they won’t even have best stadium in Liverpool which is slightly embarrassing.

 

[pablo73]

I know Liverpool have a much bigger fan base than us and maybe I’m underestimating that fact a bit but, why would you buy them over us?

For the same price you could have a team that’s finished above them regularly, a state or the art training ground with its own luxury hotel, a brand new multi use stadium with an NFL contract.

We don’t yet even have a main sponsor for the stadium so they could even let one of their rich family members plaster there name all over it.

Surely if your serious about dumping £2billion into a PL team you would also look what else you can get for your money, maybe ENIC told them no as well.

I think you've answered your own question there

 

[Jody]

Don’t we have the most valuable squad in the galaxy though? That’s got to count for something right?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/most-expensive-football-squads-world-11475503. Before Kane’s extension.

 

[vegassd]

Don’t we have the most valuable squad in the galaxy though? That’s got to count for something right?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/most-expensive-football-squads-world-11475503. Before Kane’s extension.

I think that would only come into play if an investor was looking to asset strip the club. I would have thought that anybody looking to invest would be more interested in the available revenue streams, and a club like Liverpool has a much broader audience of customer across the world.

 

[piedpiper]

Would he ever sell to Arabs ?

I seriously believe that this is the only way we will ever be able to compete is to be bought by a seriously uber rich owner with very deep pockets.

The existing model of Enic/Levy is great except it belongs to the 90's era. Which if done back then would have yielded the results we all desire. The goal posts were moved forever once Abromhovic et el came on to the scene.

I never wanted to see us "Buying" trophies which is what i felt chelsea and later city have done. However how else do you compete in this new environment.

Currently and once the stadium is complete all we are and will be doing is making up the numbers and by making up the numbers we help City/Chelsea\United win trophies. This in turngets them global recognition and allows them to sow up the best sponsorship deals.

 

[alexis]

Also would the cousin go against the crown prince of AD. If he said don’t compete on this player we (city) want him he would comply. Such the familial complexity of this region especially at that hierarchy.

 

[kmk]

Craig Bellamy and Steve Parrish were sticking up for Daniel Levy in a debate on Sky.

 

[Saoirse]

I seriously believe that this is the only way we will ever be able to compete is to be bought by a seriously uber rich owner with very deep pockets.

The existing model of Enic/Levy is great except it belongs to the 90's era. Which if done back then would have yielded the results we all desire. The goal posts were moved forever once Abromhovic et el came on to the scene.

I never wanted to see us "Buying" trophies which is what i felt chelsea and later city have done. However how else do you compete in this new environment.

Currently and once the stadium is complete all we are and will be doing is making up the numbers and by making up the numbers we help City/Chelsea\United win trophies. This in turngets them global recognition and allows them to sow up the best sponsorship deals.

Once we're in the stadium, we can realistically aspire to be on a level financial footing with Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal. Liverpool who were runners-up in the Champions League last season and are heavily tipped to challenge for the title, Chelsea who won it a couple of seasons back and Arsenal who've sadly won quite a few FA Cups in recent years. With Roman not acting so much as a sugar daddy any more the only clubs who'll remain streets ahead of us are the two Manchester sides. Obviously it's still going to be an uphill struggle to beat them to trophies, as well as of course the European giants in the Champions League. But not an impossible one. Right now we've been succeeding in an uphill struggle to finish in the top 4 despite a similar level of financial inferiority to Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool to what we'll face against the Mancs once we're ready.

 

[piedpiper]

Once we're in the stadium, we can realistically aspire to be on a level financial footing with Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal. Liverpool who were runners-up in the Champions League last season and are heavily tipped to challenge for the title, Chelsea who won it a couple of seasons back and Arsenal who've sadly won quite a few FA Cups in recent years. With Roman not acting so much as a sugar daddy any more the only clubs who'll remain streets ahead of us are the two Manchester sides. Obviously it's still going to be an uphill struggle to beat them to trophies, as well as of course the European giants in the Champions League. But not an impossible one. Right now we've been succeeding in an uphill struggle to finish in the top 4 despite a similar level of financial inferiority to Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool to what we'll face against the Mancs once we're ready.

I think we've shot ourselves in the foot in the FA Cup( didnt Poch have some negative comment about), it was winnable with our current squad.

I'm not as optimistic as you that we will be able to compete. The stadium needs to be paid off still and that will take years. We have a good manager and a great squad and with some minor tweaks ( Eriksen /Dembele alternative ) and some pace upfront we could challenge City & Liverpool... Liverpool who have been in our shadow for several yrs btw ( saying that feels good)... They however over the last 3 seasons have been shrewd and identified who they wanted and bought their identified targets...

I think we need to win trophies regularly to attract major sponsors and in turn get that Uber rich owner. I hope im wrong on this and that as you say we will start to reap the rewards.

 

[Lighty64]

if and I mean if we got the rub of the green and won the CoC and the FA Cup this season, but finished 5th or 6th we would lose out on a better sponsor compared to finishing in the top 4. even if that stadium can't be named commercially on a CL night, they know enough people around the world will know it was in the ? Stadium

edit: we would also have 3+ games playing in a half empty stadium the season after