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mattyspurs

It is what it is
Jan 31, 2005
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Levy ain’t perfect, not in the slightest, however to those of you saying it’s his fault that we haven’t won trophies?? Bullshit. How is it his fault?

How many Finals/semi finals have we got to during his tenure? How was it Levy’s fault we lost to Utd last season? Chelsea the season before? The squads we have had have been good enough to win trophies.

League titles, you may have an argument, but even then we are competing against dodgy Russian and oil money

I do wonder sometimes if you people actually think things through before posting.

FFS
 

SpunkyBackpack

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Dec 8, 2005
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Do you live in the UK, because that's not how the NHS works? Also, having a nice place to work in helps productivity. Only one parameter of outcome in football is winning trophies, and it also matters which trophies.

Its also not how businesses work but it probably sounded right in his head.
 

olliec

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Jun 20, 2012
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Levy ain’t perfect, not in the slightest, however to those of you saying it’s his fault that we haven’t won trophies?? Bullshit. How is it his fault?

How many Finals/semi finals have we got to during his tenure? How was it Levy’s fault we lost to Utd last season? Chelsea the season before? The squads we have had have been good enough to win trophies.

League titles, you may have an argument, but even then we are competing against dodgy Russian and oil money

I do wonder sometimes if you people actually think things through before posting.

FFS

Yea we do and it’s still his fault! :LOL:
 
Aug 10, 2008
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It depends on what the price includes. Don't underestimate just how much might well come with the club in any sale, not least a huge state-of-the-art training ground, a huge state-of-the-art stadium, a multitude of other properties and businesses, the offices and supermarket building with the college thing, and then you have the football side.
Your post reads like ENIC's portfolio - in order of priority, unfortunately.
 

markiespurs

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Jul 9, 2008
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Levy ain’t perfect, not in the slightest, however to those of you saying it’s his fault that we haven’t won trophies?? Bullshit. How is it his fault?

How many Finals/semi finals have we got to during his tenure? How was it Levy’s fault we lost to Utd last season? Chelsea the season before? The squads we have had have been good enough to win trophies.

League titles, you may have an argument, but even then we are competing against dodgy Russian and oil money

I do wonder sometimes if you people actually think things through before posting.

FFS

I think people often forget just how much dodgy Russian billions and rich Oil Sheiks have changed the landscape of English football.
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
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I think people often forget just how much dodgy Russian billions and rich Oil Sheiks have changed the landscape of English football.
I mean now we're not just talking about the likes of Roman Abramovich, who is wealthy enough but actual nations getting behind football clubs.
 

robertgoulet

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Jul 23, 2013
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I'd have to imagine any new owner would also be on the hook for the rest of the development that ENIC agreed to (not just the stadium), which would be an additional cost.

$2B seems a bit high, but it seems to me this type of stuff wouldn't leak unless:

1) ENIC really does want to sell and will take an offer close to that
2) someone wants to buy and is throwing a number out to see if there is any sort of interest in selling
 

Lighty64

I believe
Aug 24, 2010
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And that's where each of us differ. And I do, humbly beg to differ. Imho, its appalling that ENIC have delivered 1 crap trophy in all their years in charge.
With expected mass viewing and the globalization of football, it was always inevitable that we would have to build a newer bigger stadium. And ENIC have done no more than any other global brand football club expects and deserves. Yes, sure it will be a great stadium and is a great Training ground...BUT on the pitch coming 2nd/3/4th is nothing. Not winning a decent trophy is nothing.

Trophies and titles are what count, not coming 2/3/4. Nobody cares nor remembers who came 2/3/4. They only care and remember the team that came 1st.
You may be happy and content with coming runner up, but I certainly am not. You may be happy to have ENIC but certainly am not if that's all they will do and not deliver trophies.

In terms of making money and running a business well, they have achieved that part, I accept that - but in football terms, delivering in their field of business which is football, they have failed. And no matter what people say, ENIC will leave one day with not 1 major trophy and that's unacceptable to me.

ENIC have a shit model and its plain to see its failed to win us anything.

Just think of it like this, think of a business, any business, a bank, post office, a hospital, whatever...And in each of those business what and how is success measured? Having a nice building for the people to work in or the customers to visit? Or...for a bank, make money by selling/providing its customers services or loans? Make money by delivering mail? Make money by treating patients and saving lives? Each of those businesses are measured within their own industry and in football its trophies. The better you are, the more customers come and the more money you make. Its not the other way around like ENIC perceive...You've got to speculate to accumulate as they say.

ENIC purchase Spurs in 2001 at a time we was a mid table team, and teams like Man U, Arsenal and Liverpool dominated the top 3 spots. all 3 were miles ahead of us in financial terms and competing for 4 trophies, at the time we was playing in a 36k seater stadium, with a training ground based in Chigwell that was pretty basic, and we never ever looked like getting into Europe let alone a top 4 spot.

Since then we have had Chelsea being taken over and at the start blew everyone out the water with throwing money at it, which then made it even harder. 5 years later City got taken over by the richest people in the world, and have continuously thrown money at it. that making 5 teams above us financially above us with little old us improving each season bar the Ramos 2 from 8 season, in our little old stadium that was never ever going to be able to compete financially for the 3 domestic trophies.

since 2005 ENIC have built us a top of the range training centre, and been buying land and paying whatever cost that had to be paid to build us a stadium that will one day be bringing in the funds to be able to compete, and to be involved as well as we have with a massive difference in finances for a total of 4 trophies 1 of which you have to beat the best of Europe can't be done on a shoestring. our profits up to last season are nowhere need what is needed to compete.

yes we needed signings this summer, but 1's that improved the squad, not squad fillers as we can't sell the ones we do want to sell. we even made it open to sell Toby, Rose and Dembele and no one came in. we also had the problem of Pochettino not wanting a DoF at a time we really needed one, because Levy had his hands full with the stadium, and we also had problems with the players we did go for, because the teams we were trying to buy off kept upping the price. the only one Levy could and should of got without the hassle was Grealish, but that was made even more difficult when Villa got the helping hand of joint owners.

yes if ENIC sell tomorrow they are going to make a fantastic profit, but the new owners wouldn't need to use their own money on anything other than buying and paying players. I doubt they will sell soon, as I don't see them selling till the flats and the rest of the development they have got permission for has gone up and are sold, and if they get permission to build on the storage yard.

whether they can finally compete in the transfer market that makes us a team that can compete I can only hope, but other than very rich owners, before them I doubt we would be having any more trophies then we have with them
 

Lighty64

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Aug 24, 2010
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Levy ain’t perfect, not in the slightest, however to those of you saying it’s his fault that we haven’t won trophies?? Bullshit. How is it his fault?

How many Finals/semi finals have we got to during his tenure? How was it Levy’s fault we lost to Utd last season? Chelsea the season before? The squads we have had have been good enough to win trophies.

League titles, you may have an argument, but even then we are competing against dodgy Russian and oil money

I do wonder sometimes if you people actually think things through before posting.

FFS

I think it's more a case of not being able to take the crap off their, Man U or City, Arsenal, Chelsea or Liverpool friends.

44 years ago when I started going it wasn't about money in those days, it was about football. Football changes after the Hillsbrough, and Hysell tragedies, and then came Sky, and UEFA changing football, and at the time of change we was in the wrong place thanks to Scolar's reign.
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
Jun 20, 2012
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I think people often forget just how much dodgy Russian billions and rich Oil Sheiks have changed the landscape of English football.
Im not convinced they forget, more that they simply don't understand the concept.
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
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ENIC purchase Spurs in 2001 at a time we was a mid table team, and teams like Man U, Arsenal and Liverpool dominated the top 3 spots. all 3 were miles ahead of us in financial terms and competing for 4 trophies, at the time we was playing in a 36k seater stadium, with a training ground based in Chigwell that was pretty basic, and we never ever looked like getting into Europe let alone a top 4 spot.

Since then we have had Chelsea being taken over and at the start blew everyone out the water with throwing money at it, which then made it even harder. 5 years later City got taken over by the richest people in the world, and have continuously thrown money at it. that making 5 teams above us financially above us with little old us improving each season bar the Ramos 2 from 8 season, in our little old stadium that was never ever going to be able to compete financially for the 3 domestic trophies.

since 2005 ENIC have built us a top of the range training centre, and been buying land and paying whatever cost that had to be paid to build us a stadium that will one day be bringing in the funds to be able to compete, and to be involved as well as we have with a massive difference in finances for a total of 4 trophies 1 of which you have to beat the best of Europe can't be done on a shoestring. our profits up to last season are nowhere need what is needed to compete.

yes we needed signings this summer, but 1's that improved the squad, not squad fillers as we can't sell the ones we do want to sell. we even made it open to sell Toby, Rose and Dembele and no one came in. we also had the problem of Pochettino not wanting a DoF at a time we really needed one, because Levy had his hands full with the stadium, and we also had problems with the players we did go for, because the teams we were trying to buy off kept upping the price. the only one Levy could and should of got without the hassle was Grealish, but that was made even more difficult when Villa got the helping hand of joint owners.

yes if ENIC sell tomorrow they are going to make a fantastic profit, but the new owners wouldn't need to use their own money on anything other than buying and paying players. I doubt they will sell soon, as I don't see them selling till the flats and the rest of the development they have got permission for has gone up and are sold, and if they get permission to build on the storage yard.

whether they can finally compete in the transfer market that makes us a team that can compete I can only hope, but other than very rich owners, before them I doubt we would be having any more trophies then we have with them
I'm fairness, regarding the DoF, we have been back and forward on that several times since Levy has been in charge and it was Levy's choice to sack it off in favour of making Poch manager rather than head coach. I never heard anything about a possibility of him bringing back a DoF this summer.

Regarding the summer transfer window, it was a bit of a disaster and Levy isn't blameless in relation to players targeted by his managers v players we've ended up with. There is a happy medium between giving credit where it's due - and he does deserve plenty and just defending everything he does.
 

coys200

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The difficulty at this stage is that we are aiming higher than the silverware we can realistically win but we can't realistically win the silverware that we aspire to.

Because it’s now much tougher you have 6 strong clubs. I’m not sure that’s ever really been the case. In the past say 50 years you had periods with just one really strong club at most it was 4. So you now have 6 clubs going for 2 domestic cups, which if we are honest is all we are likely to win. I think barring a freakish draw the days of smaller clubs getting to domestic cup finals will be less and less. Even the carabo semis in recent years are the top 4 fighting it out. It’s bloody hard to win anything now.
 

Lighty64

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I'm fairness, regarding the DoF, we have been back and forward on that several times since Levy has been in charge and it was Levy's choice to sack it off in favour of making Poch manager rather than head coach. I never heard anything about a possibility of him bringing back a DoF this summer.

Regarding the summer transfer window, it was a bit of a disaster and Levy isn't blameless in relation to players targeted by his managers v players we've ended up with. There is a happy medium between giving credit where it's due - and he does deserve plenty and just defending everything he does.

I'm as unhappy as anyone that we never signed the players I would of loved to see join, though glad we never signed a Zaha or Martial, as I believe it would of meant disruption. Son, Lamela and Moura can all play in those attacking positions, and neither of those if we had signed them would of been happy with time on the bench, nor would the 3 we have. to much rotation causes too much disruption, and over the life of watching football the team with the most settled starting XI usually gets the gold. we have just been exceptionally unlucky with injuries and fixture schedules over the past.

we really need a strong DM, a good consistent CM, and from what I see so far a decent left back. honestly don't think Rose or Davies are good enough
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
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I'm as unhappy as anyone that we never signed the players I would of loved to see join, though glad we never signed a Zaha or Martial, as I believe it would of meant disruption. Son, Lamela and Moura can all play in those attacking positions, and neither of those if we had signed them would of been happy with time on the bench, nor would the 3 we have. to much rotation causes too much disruption, and over the life of watching football the team with the most settled starting XI usually gets the gold. we have just been exceptionally unlucky with injuries and fixture schedules over the past.

we really need a strong DM, a good consistent CM, and from what I see so far a decent left back. honestly don't think Rose or Davies are good enough
Do you think that Grealish would have been a good player to invest in? He might have had limited impact this season but I can't help but feel that we should have got that done when we had the chance.
 

spursfan77

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I think people often forget just how much dodgy Russian billions and rich Oil Sheiks have changed the landscape of English football.

Exactly. If they hadn’t of turned up arsenal would probably had a few league titles in the last decade. So every cloud...
 

riggi

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I think people often forget just how much dodgy Russian billions and rich Oil Sheiks have changed the landscape of English football.

Hence why you have to do everything in your power to compete.... like spending money :cautious:
 

Archibald&Crooks

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Levy has transformed the club off the pitch and rightly takes credit for it. Although TBF we were so potless and down when he took over you'd have had to be a buffoon of world class proportions to have not improved us but nevertheless, he's down well, up to a point. He's also taken massive credit for our fortunes on the pitch so you'll excuse me if I laugh my cock of when people say it's not his fault we haven't won anything. How on earth can you give credit and then deny any blame when it suits? Yeah, right, anyway, that's by the by. But off the pitch, generally, until this summer, well done shortstuff.

Then, this summer we became the first ever club to not sign anyone in the transfer window. The first ever. Yes, EVER. Put that on top of the stadium being delayed until who knows when (and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if that were next season now) and there's two great tranches of negativity surrounding the club almost before the season has properly got into gear. Now results have started to mirror that and the vultures are circling. Who's fault is all of that? The tooth fairy? Or the man at the top? Or, because it's Levy does the buck, in this one instance, stop with Mavis the tea lady with the saggy dumplings?

You don't not spend to add some quality and freshen up the squad, you just don't, there's another unwanted 'first' that we're so adept at collecting. Both the stadium delay and the failure to add to the squad are down to Levy, nobody else. The buck stops there, that's the way it is, the man at the top carries the can wether you like it or not.

And what's the end game? Fast forward however many years you like, two, five, ten. The stadium is paid for. Can anyone really see Levy suddenly spending big? I can't because as the old saying goes, a bald dwarf can't change it's spots.

This is starting to look like a great big case of he's taken us as far as he can. He's not fucked up often but when he does they tend to be big ones, he's starting to ruin his legacy/reputation or whatever way you want to put it, this summer was one great big fuck-off mistake and the brownie points are starting to slip through his fingers.

If we genuinely want to compete, if we genuinely think we're a big club, then start fucking acting like it instead of lurching from one laughing stock act after another. I bet he wishes the ground would swallow him up right now. Well rumpelstiltskin, it might just have done so. He needs to front up about exactly when we expect to move into the new ground and start making plans to invest in the squad and then actually do so, nothing else will do.

And lets not mention potentially pissing off the best manager he's ever likely to hire, we'll see how that one pans out before we use it as a stick to beat him with.

Sometimes it's OK to tell your dad he's fucked up. This is without doubt one of them.

Christos ke panagia

*Sneaks out of Spurs Chat and back into hibernation
 
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