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Levy plans to stay long term but must consider takeover bids

Lighty64

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Do you think that Grealish would have been a good player to invest in? He might have had limited impact this season but I can't help but feel that we should have got that done when we had the chance.

Yes I think he would of been a very good prospect even if he might of been used as a squad player. I know many said he wouldn’t be able to play the Dembélé role but I believe he could of played that area and with a better ball distribution
 

Drink!Drink!

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Before I pass comment, two things that need confirmation
1 Levy takes more money out of the club than any other chairman? As in he pays himself well over 2m a year from THFC funds.? Highest amount in England? Europe? Anywhere?

2 Levy intervened to ensure a family member got a key contract for building the stadium? That family member’s company are the main cause of the problems and delay to the build?
 

SEANSPURS1975

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Go back 10/15 years and you had the choice...
The ENIC/Levy way or the Abramovich/Oil Money way?
Champions League trophies, League Titles, FA/League Cups, big money signings or 1 League Cup, New Ground, New Training centre and a small net spend?
Not really a choice is there?
We will never compete financially or possibly ever win anymore trophies with these owners...
but winning trophies was never high on the list was it.
 
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Gb160

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Before I pass comment, two things that need confirmation
1 Levy takes more money out of the club than any other chairman? As in he pays himself well over 2m a year from THFC funds.? Highest amount in England? Europe? Anywhere?

2 Levy intervened to ensure a family member got a key contract for building the stadium? That family member’s company are the main cause of the problems and delay to the build?

1 Im not sure about, I think its the most in England...but wasn't it just last year? As in a one off cos of the stadium stuff.
2 I thought that was shown to be complete and utter bollocks?

I agree with a lot of @Archibald&Crooks post, but the thing thats gripping my shit with him more than anything, is the way that Poch has to not only field all the questions about the footballing side of things (which is his job, I get that) but he also has been left to explain all the shite with the stadium/games being moved to Wembley etc.
Its not right, it's not his responsibility or mess, he's got enough on his plate atm.
Levy should front up on a regular basis, face the media and inform the fans until this is all sorted.
 

jurgen

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Go back 10/15 years and you had the choice...
The ENIC/Levy way or the Abramovich/Oil Money way?
Champions League trophies, League Titles, FA/League Cups, big money signings or 1 League Cup, New Ground, New Training centre and a small net spend?
Not really a choice is there?
We will never compete financially or possibly ever win trophies with these owners...
but winning trophies was never high on the list for these owners was it.

But our way is the right way, even if it also involves a billionaire tax exile, a chairman who pays himself twice as much as anyone else in his position, huge ticket prices, zero investment in players etc..
 

cliff jones

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But our way is the right way, even if it also involves a billionaire tax exile, a chairman who pays himself twice as much as anyone else in his position, huge ticket prices, zero investment in players etc..

it always makes me laugh when the BSoDL take pride in having a billionaire Chairman who actually doesn't spend any money, even on the infrastructure

I doubt the way he arrived at his fortune was any more ethical or any less ruthless than his counterparts who do put up their own resources
 

Lighty64

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Before I pass comment, two things that need confirmation
1 Levy takes more money out of the club than any other chairman? As in he pays himself well over 2m a year from THFC funds.? Highest amount in England? Europe? Anywhere?

2 Levy intervened to ensure a family member got a key contract for building the stadium? That family member’s company are the main cause of the problems and delay to the build?

Don’t you find that kinda of weird that a chairmen of a massive company earns less then 75% of its main staff.

Was that family member involved or in charge of the wiring?
 

Lighty64

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But our way is the right way, even if it also involves a billionaire tax exile, a chairman who pays himself twice as much as anyone else in his position, huge ticket prices, zero investment in players etc..

This season is the 1st season ticket prices have been sky high, and without the stadium your being refunded. Perhaps we should of stayed in the old whl never be able to pay the players what they can earn elsewhere, but at least you wouldn’t be getting ripped off, or if you was an ex east stand st holder was you expecting to have it at the same price as before
 

chico

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Whilst a Sheikh Mansour investror ploughing in a few billion is a lovely dream, the prospect of getting Glazer/Kronke type investors gearing up the balance sheet and sucking the life out of the profits for their personal gain makes me feel that we should stick with Lewis and Levy until the right investor comes along?
 

coys200

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Before I pass comment, two things that need confirmation
1 Levy takes more money out of the club than any other chairman? As in he pays himself well over 2m a year from THFC funds.? Highest amount in England? Europe? Anywhere?

2 Levy intervened to ensure a family member got a key contract for building the stadium? That family member’s company are the main cause of the problems and delay to the build?

1. But levy isn’t just CEO he owns 30% of spurs as well. So effectively it’s a wage and a dividend.

2. The company you are referring to are highly respected. They did our training ground. And BASE are a design company not electrics. The delay has absolutely nothing to do with them.

You can always use google for these questions.
 
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Levy has transformed the club off the pitch and rightly takes credit for it. Although TBF we were so potless and down when he took over you'd have had to be a buffoon of world class proportions to have not improved us but nevertheless, he's down well, up to a point. He's also taken massive credit for our fortunes on the pitch so you'll excuse me if I laugh my cock of when people say it's not his fault we haven't won anything. How on earth can you give credit and then deny any blame when it suits? Yeah, right, anyway, that's by the by. But off the pitch, generally, until this summer, well done shortstuff.

Then, this summer we became the first ever club to not sign anyone in the transfer window. The first ever. Yes, EVER. Put that on top of the stadium being delayed until who knows when (and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if that were next season now) and there's two great tranches of negativity surrounding the club almost before the season has properly got into gear. Now results have started to mirror that and the vultures are circling. Who's fault is all of that? The tooth fairy? Or the man at the top? Or, because it's Levy does the buck, in this one instance, stop with Mavis the tea lady with the saggy dumplings?

You don't not spend to add some quality and freshen up the squad, you just don't, there's another unwanted 'first' that we're so adept at collecting. Both the stadium delay and the failure to add to the squad are down to Levy, nobody else. The buck stops there, that's the way it is, the man at the top carries the can wether you like it or not.

And what's the end game? Fast forward however many years you like, two, five, ten. The stadium is paid for. Can anyone really see Levy suddenly spending big? I can't because as the old saying goes, a bald dwarf can't change it's spots.

This is starting to look like a great big case of he's taken us as far as he can. He's not fucked up often but when he does they tend to be big ones, he's starting to ruin his legacy/reputation or whatever way you want to put it, this summer was one great big fuck-off mistake and the brownie points are starting to slip through his fingers.

If we genuinely want to compete, if we genuinely think we're a big club, then start fucking acting like it instead of lurching from one laughing stock act after another. I bet he wishes the ground would swallow him up right now. Well rumpelstiltskin, it might just have done so. He needs to front up about exactly when we expect to move into the new ground and start making plans to invest in the squad and then actually do so, nothing else will do.

And lets not mention potentially pissing off the best manager he's ever likely to hire, we'll see how that one pans out before we use it as a stick to beat him with.

Sometimes it's OK to tell your dad he's fucked up. This is without doubt one of them.

Christos ke panagia

*Sneaks out of Spurs Chat and back into hibernation
What an absolutely brilliant post! Completely and utterly en pointe. Well said, sir ?
 

McArchibald

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Go back 10/15 years and you had the choice...
The ENIC/Levy way or the Abramovich/Oil Money way?
Champions League trophies, League Titles, FA/League Cups, big money signings or 1 League Cup, New Ground, New Training centre and a small net spend?
Not really a choice is there?
We will never compete financially or possibly ever win anymore trophies with these owners...
but winning trophies was never high on the list was it.

Football clubs exist to win games and compete for trophies - end of. Certainly not for someone to hijack it in order to increase his personal fortune, by turning the club into a property development scheme paid for by retained earnings and crippling loans...
 

SEANSPURS1975

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Our stadium is going to be magnificent and I am thankful for Levy/ENIC for building it.
But once it’s built and we’re in does anybody really think much will change onfield?
I don’t.
The only thing that will definitely change is Levy/ENIC will get even more richer.
Our owners are more than happy with 4th place and taking all the Premier League/Champions League money. That’s it. Thats their aim. That’s their ceiling. Trophies are an afterthought.
We are now ready for new owners who want to take us further.
Of course we want the right owners that goes without saying.
Imagine though, we had owners who first and foremost want to win trophies.
 

SEANSPURS1975

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Football clubs exist to win games and compete for trophies - end of. Certainly not for someone to hijack it in order to increase his personal fortune, by turning the club into a property development scheme paid for by retained earnings and crippling loans...

Are you agreeing with me or not? Think you need to read my post again?
 

coys200

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Football clubs exist to win games and compete for trophies - end of. Certainly not for someone to hijack it in order to increase his personal fortune, by turning the club into a property development scheme paid for by retained earnings and crippling loans...

But every single club is the same even more so now with the obvious profit margin for even mid table PL clubs. There isn’t a single owner who buys a club because he wants to win trophies. Even the most obvious Abramovich has now made Chelsea virtually self funding. If you think any owner is in it for trophies it’s a very naive why of looking at it.
 

Lighty64

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Football clubs exist to win games and compete for trophies - end of. Certainly not for someone to hijack it in order to increase his personal fortune, by turning the club into a property development scheme paid for by retained earnings and crippling loans...

So over the last 15 years when a team called Chelsea started the rollercoaster of buying trophies how did you expect us to be able to compete with the smallest of all the stadiums that were above us, and get the ball rolling for a new stadium that’s been costing us money ever since.

Last season was the only season we have got anywhere near making the profit those 5 above us make regular, note the word “regular”, because of the money 3 of them have been making since football changed, it has allowed them to buy easier offering CL football, and wages that when at WHL would of crippled us.

We need this stadium to be able to compete in the wages market or risk losing the better players in our squad, and they are the ones that need to find that extra to win matches. This season is different due to no signings, and the frustrating thing is no one is telling us who we really made solid efforts on, and why they never arrived. The only thing we do know is everyone is blaming Levy, when know one really knows if it was him, the players, the greedy agents, or the fact we can’t afford an over bloated squad as we also failed to sell anyone
 
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cliff jones

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Whilst a Sheikh Mansour investror ploughing in a few billion is a lovely dream, the prospect of getting Glazer/Kronke type investors gearing up the balance sheet and sucking the life out of the profits for their personal gain makes me feel that we should stick with Lewis and Levy until the right investor comes along?

they still spend far more than we will ever do under ENIC on transfers and wages. What about the Liverpool owners? They've surely gone through the Coutinho windfall already?
 

wrd

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My issue with the stadium, we can talk about it being mega impressive but if it's true about the spiralling costs and us going hundreds of millions over budget, how much is worth it? I mean for me I feel like we could have built a similar stadium without all these extras and saved a shit load of time and money. I guess I'm wondering at what point do all these extras add up and go from being impressive to being the cause of us in shit. It will be in the long term we will find out how much it affects us on the field.
 
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