Liverpool vs Spurs Match Thread

[werty]

I should probably let this match go, but I want to add a couple more points.

One of the things that has been mentioned a lot is a "grey area" in the laws. The current interpretation has been designed to eliminate as much of the grey area as possible. The referee can't possibly get inside Lovren's head to determine what he meant to do or what he was thinking because Kane was near him. The law is written in a way that the referees only judge what actually happened. In this case, Lovren deliberately played the ball. The fact that he played the ball so poorly is not the referees problem. He gets paid 100,000 pounds a week to not play the ball poorly in that situation.

As for Kane interfering with an opponent. This goes back to asking the referee to read the defenders mind. That is something that cannot be done consistently. What is easiest to apply consistently is looking at how the offside player behaves. In this case, Kane made no sudden or deliberate move towards the ball. He did not block Lovren's path towards the ball. Kane just stood there. Of course Lovren probably knew he was there. Of course he probably tried to play the ball because Kane was there. But asking the referee to judge why a player did something instead of judging what he did is a slippery slope.

Lastly, lets compare the Kane PK to Salah's first goal. Lovern and Dier both deliberately played the ball and it went to player who was in an offside position. They had a similar amount of time to react. The difference is Dier successfully played the ball in the direction he intended and Lovren didn't. Why should Lovren be rewarded for doing his job worse than Dier?

Why is it different when a goalkeeper parries the ball out to a player who was offside from the original shot?

 

[cwy21]

Why is it different when a goalkeeper parries the ball out to a player who was offside from the original shot?

Here's what the law says

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.

A ‘save’ is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless the goalkeeper within the penalty area).
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If a defender/goalkeeper deliberately plays the ball in an attempt to save a shot on/near goal, then it doesn't "reset" offside. In any other situation, the attacker is not offside if they receive the ball from an opponent who deliberately played it.

 

[thebenjamin]

What's abundantly clear is that neither Dele, Harry or Lamela will ever get a penalty again. I expect Spurs might get one once 15-20 seasons have elapsed and the Scousers have finally stopped going on about it.

 

[glacierSpurs]

I thought I am an avid learner of interesting topics in the Internet, given the information. But offside topic proved to me I'm wrong. :dead:

 

[Singayid]

SHIT!!!!!!!! this is getting really serious

Latest from the LIVERPOOL ECHO:

FIXED IT FOR THE SCOUSE TWATS @glacierSpurs

 

[glacierSpurs]

SHIT!!!!!!!! this is getting really serious

Latest from the LIVERPOOL ECHO:

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What game was he watching though? The match was a draw, not a loss.

 

[Singayid]

What game was he watching though? The match was a draw, not a loss.

felt like a loss to them obviously

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

So.......a shitload of posts/pages in, have we decided yet?

Was it a penalty?
Was Kane offside?
Just how good are Klopp’s false Hampstead's?
Did he inherit them from Red Rum?
How would Stan Boardman feel about Liverpool having a German in charge?

There’s so much more mileage to be had from this thread.

I feel you lot aren’t trying hard enough

 

[Shadydan]

Thought that was a good tactical analysis of the match

 

[Gassin's finest]

SHIT!!!!!!!! this is getting really serious

Latest from the LIVERPOOL ECHO:

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FIXED IT FOR THE SCOUSE TWATS @glacierSpurs

Seems legit...

 

[FreddieYid]

I do hope the players have moved on from Liverpool, refocused and started looking ahead to the NLD* quicker than you lot have...

* Newport shouldn’t consume our week.

 

[tototoner]

What game was he watching though? The match was a draw, not a loss.

The date on that is April 2013

to be fair funnier story is "Pienaar can fire us into Europe "

 

[Singayid]

The date on that is April 2013

 

[Kiedis]

A pat on the back for the Totally Fotball podcast. They spent about five seconds on the penalties and spoke quite a bit about the football being played. Very refreshing.

Listened to Football Weekly as well, and their summary was basically
"Liverpool were good in the first half, then came two wondergoals and two penalties in the second half, and Spurs were very dumb to try and play out from the back."

Which sort of jumps over the fact that the Liverpool defence were probably pretty knackered, anxious and increasingly prone to mistakes as the second half went on, seeing as they are generally not very good at playing a deep block, and we forced them to do so for 45 minutes straight.

 

[Univarn]

So.......a shitload of posts/pages in, have we decided yet?

Was it a penalty?
Was Kane offside?
Just how good are Klopp’s false Hampstead's?
Did he inherit them from Red Rum?
How would Stan Boardman feel about Liverpool having a German in charge?

There’s so much more mileage to be had from this thread.

I feel you lot aren’t trying hard enough

You'll have to wait for the Liverpool vs Spurs sequel match thread to come out to get all the answers.

 

[Blackrat1299]

At the end of the day we took 4 points of them and they only got 1

 

[Roynie]

Should Kyle Walker be judged to be offside here after passing the ball to Sterling? He's on the pitch and in offside position when Sterling touches the ball. That means he's interfering with play according to Shankly and Clough.

To be fair I think both Clough and Shanks were just giving smart answers, which they were both often doing.

If a player has actually passed a ball behind him, having been onside when he passed it, I don't see how he would be offside. However, we could debate that until the cows come home and get nowhere. Whatever rule you have there will be circumstances which will make the rule look daft. To be honest I think it's about bloody time the VAR was used for all penalties, alleged diving and fouls which result in bad injuries, just to try and clean up the game and cut out the cheating.

 

[cwy21]

To be fair I think both Clough and Shanks were just giving smart answers, which they were both often doing.

Of course they were giving smart answers. I'm just not sure if the pundits who repeat the line today realize that.