M.I.B.
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Liverpool Vs Tottenham: Match Thread
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Kirito
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I never thought I'd want Brendan 'Brent' Rogers as our manager but we have really fucked up and he turned out to be a fantastic manager.
Tim Sherwood in charge and Aaron Lennon doing fuck all each game is a nightmare. Bentaleb and Siggy in a midfield two is almost asking to be sacked.
*Awaiting dislike from @davidmatzdorf
Tim Sherwood in charge and Aaron Lennon doing fuck all each game is a nightmare. Bentaleb and Siggy in a midfield two is almost asking to be sacked.
*Awaiting dislike from @davidmatzdorf
jolsnogross
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I thought you were of that mind not long after it happened. The main reason for sacking Harry, at least according to fans who wanted him gone, is that he had the temerity to want the England job. Like he was their f*cking girlfriend. When pressed for an actual footballing reason, they moan about finishing fourth when it 'really' should have been third. Some fans get what they deserve, I guess.
It was a mental decision, and it'll be a long time before we're back to the level Redknapp had us at.
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Spurger King
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That's not exactly true though is it.
First of all, I was a fan of Harry. Well...he irritated me with a lot of the things he said, but I could live with it. In terms of footballing reasons, there are plenty of accusations that can be thrown at him, including; his reluctance to use the squad (and thus run the first teamers into the ground); some poor tactical decisions; some ridiculous substitutions (remember Parker coming on away to Villa, when a win would have put us in the driving seat for 3rd with one game left?).
The England issue was not just about the way he seemed to lose interest in the club paying his salary in order to flirt with the idea of being the new England manager (coinciding with our massive drop of form). It was also the way he'd shown his eagerness to drop Spurs like a hot potato if the opportunity came up. Given how easily England managers get sacked, would Levy trust Harry not to leave a year later?
At the time we were at our peak in terms of global appeal, and Levy had plenty of reasons for wanting to shuffle the deck and try to capitalise on our status. Did it work? Clearly not...it's been a massive clusterfuck since then. Do I blame Levy for wanting to replace Harry? Not at all. Hindsight, as the cliché goes, is a wonderful thing.
fortworthspur
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IMO, we havent looked the same since Modric left. I think Harry and AVB are incidental. Interestingly enough, Liverpool suffered the same fate when Madrid pinched Xabi Alonso.
jolsnogross
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It wasn't hindsight from some on here who argued at the time, before he got sacked, that there was insufficient cause. You even answer it yourself with "at the time we were at our peak in terms of global appeal" - who do you think had a major role in that?
You can nitpick all you want about rotation and subs in a game here and there, but you can't argue with 4th-5th-4th and the quality of play for a majority of his time here. We were fun to watch and winning at historical levels - again, it was mental to sack without considering that. The idea that he was sacked because the new England manager might not last too long might be right, but shows a level of incompetence in the chairman that beggars belief. You don't throw out a winning formula based on that type of hypothetical, you just insert an England-only clause in the new contract that protects Spurs' interests by forcing millions from the FA if they want to hire him.
Spurger King
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You don't need to convince me of how successful Harry was. I was at the Newcastle game (just after his court case ended, and the England rumours started), singing along with the rest of the Lane "we want you to stay...".
Just saying I can see the justification for him being sacked. Levy thought he could use our appeal to jump to the next level. Instead that decision has set us back years.
jonathanhotspur
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Great point about Alonso. It took them years to recover from that.
And we really have looked like a packet of arsebiscuits since Modric left.
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This has probably all been written already in the preceding pages, but I saw the game 'as live' several hours after it finished and this is the first chance I've had to comment.
First, when I saw the team I was convinced that we would lose. No Sandro, and a midfield consisting of four attacking midfielders (and only one of them a wide player) plus Bentaleb. I had no idea how we would line up and, having seen the game, I still haven't.
Although Sherwood's game plan was apparently to hold out for as long as possible and hope that Liverpool would get nervous (and - presumably - beat themselves) he blames the failure today on 'individual mistakes' and says that the game was over at 2-0. So he wasn't at all to blame, even though he gave up before the end of the first half.
One of two things happened today. Either the team was sent out with no tactical plan of how to play with each other and against Liverpool, or there was a tactical plan and the players selected were unable to carry it out. Whichever it was, Sherwood is at fault. As a manager (in any profession) you utilise your personnel in a way that they understand and give them tasks that they are capable of achieving. In short, you put them in a position to succeed. Sherwood did the opposite today. He sent out a team that was disorganised and - if there was a tactical plan - was incapable of following it. He set them up for failure. Then when they failed he blamed them for doing so. 'Individual mistakes' means "it was their fault, guv'nor, not mine".
We have had some sorry excuses for managers in the last few years, but if what we have seen so far is indicative of what we can expect under Sherwood, then I am genuinely afraid for our club. Today's display was embarrassing on many levels. The after-match interview - when Sherwood admitted that he had given the game up when it was 2-0 - was shameful. I am completely sick of all the changing of managers that we have seen in the last few years, and am - to say the least - ambivalent about the rumours concerning van Gaal, but I can't help feeling that leaving Sherwood in charge beyond this season would be the worst possible thing that Levy could do.
First, when I saw the team I was convinced that we would lose. No Sandro, and a midfield consisting of four attacking midfielders (and only one of them a wide player) plus Bentaleb. I had no idea how we would line up and, having seen the game, I still haven't.
Although Sherwood's game plan was apparently to hold out for as long as possible and hope that Liverpool would get nervous (and - presumably - beat themselves) he blames the failure today on 'individual mistakes' and says that the game was over at 2-0. So he wasn't at all to blame, even though he gave up before the end of the first half.
One of two things happened today. Either the team was sent out with no tactical plan of how to play with each other and against Liverpool, or there was a tactical plan and the players selected were unable to carry it out. Whichever it was, Sherwood is at fault. As a manager (in any profession) you utilise your personnel in a way that they understand and give them tasks that they are capable of achieving. In short, you put them in a position to succeed. Sherwood did the opposite today. He sent out a team that was disorganised and - if there was a tactical plan - was incapable of following it. He set them up for failure. Then when they failed he blamed them for doing so. 'Individual mistakes' means "it was their fault, guv'nor, not mine".
We have had some sorry excuses for managers in the last few years, but if what we have seen so far is indicative of what we can expect under Sherwood, then I am genuinely afraid for our club. Today's display was embarrassing on many levels. The after-match interview - when Sherwood admitted that he had given the game up when it was 2-0 - was shameful. I am completely sick of all the changing of managers that we have seen in the last few years, and am - to say the least - ambivalent about the rumours concerning van Gaal, but I can't help feeling that leaving Sherwood in charge beyond this season would be the worst possible thing that Levy could do.
Yid
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Yes indeed, statistically we've made the most defensive errors that led to goals conceded this season in the EPL.
Just to confirm your suspicions.
shelfboy68
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Whether it was wrong or right to get rid of Harry the fact remains that yet again Levy has messed this club up with his shit decision making.
Now thanks to him and the players we are going backwards for the past two seasons and may well continue to do so getting thrashed by every big team in the league it's a disgrace.
How on earth he keeps his job is beyond me any other blue chip company and he would have gone by now very strange.
maltahotspur
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Eye infection, someone said.
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Well I've just recovered from that game and I have to say what a bag of chuff all over the pitch! Any spurs fan who saw the line up knew we were in for a hiding. To play an albeit good 19 year old and Siggy who isn't a CM as a Central pairing was just suicide!
We didn't have any other choices at the back but Vertonghen was absolutely awful and you can tell that he doesn't want to be at the club, he isn't the type to dig in and fight when we need him.
Our biggest problem this year has been creating and scoring goals, not getting goals kills a teams confidence as the rest of the players don't believe that we will get any points even if we only concede one! If u look through the team, where are the goals? Eriksen pops up with a few and is by far out best player, then you have Chadli who will score a couple a season, Lennon who is absolutely atrocious and Bentaleb and Siggy who might get one or two.
Next season we have to look at this and change it, we have a striker in Soldado who makes intelligent runs but Lennon and Chadli don't even see them. We have Paulinho barely playing for the club who has proven he is a goal scorer at the highest level at international football. For me we need to sign another attacking midfielder with ability and goals and I would try for Lallana, will be expensive I know. He is a fantastic talent and has excellent passing ability and has scored goals this year. I would then move Eriksen to the centre, Lamela on the right and Lallana on the left, with Paulinho and Sandro in CM.
Of course a left back is a must aswell and I'm looking forward to Vlad coming back into the fold! This season is done, let's try and move on, bring a new manager in and be better next year!
We didn't have any other choices at the back but Vertonghen was absolutely awful and you can tell that he doesn't want to be at the club, he isn't the type to dig in and fight when we need him.
Our biggest problem this year has been creating and scoring goals, not getting goals kills a teams confidence as the rest of the players don't believe that we will get any points even if we only concede one! If u look through the team, where are the goals? Eriksen pops up with a few and is by far out best player, then you have Chadli who will score a couple a season, Lennon who is absolutely atrocious and Bentaleb and Siggy who might get one or two.
Next season we have to look at this and change it, we have a striker in Soldado who makes intelligent runs but Lennon and Chadli don't even see them. We have Paulinho barely playing for the club who has proven he is a goal scorer at the highest level at international football. For me we need to sign another attacking midfielder with ability and goals and I would try for Lallana, will be expensive I know. He is a fantastic talent and has excellent passing ability and has scored goals this year. I would then move Eriksen to the centre, Lamela on the right and Lallana on the left, with Paulinho and Sandro in CM.
Of course a left back is a must aswell and I'm looking forward to Vlad coming back into the fold! This season is done, let's try and move on, bring a new manager in and be better next year!
haxman
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You have a source for this‚ by any chance?
sparx100
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If Danny Rose ever plays again under the new manager, you know he has some pervy shit on Levy.
The guy cannot pass. in fact just had to give the ball away with his first touch just to confirm.
The guy cannot defend. Utter horseshit.
The guy cannot cross. Worrying considering he was a former winger. to be fair none of our wingers can. Would improve if he could clear the first man and actually get the ball off the ground every once in a while.
He is genuinely lazy. There was a point where he gave the ball away and just watched, got up and slowly jogged back as if to say....."I just cant be fooked".
He annoyed me more than anyone else and is now the player wbo I want out of my club the most.
The guy cannot pass. in fact just had to give the ball away with his first touch just to confirm.
The guy cannot defend. Utter horseshit.
The guy cannot cross. Worrying considering he was a former winger. to be fair none of our wingers can. Would improve if he could clear the first man and actually get the ball off the ground every once in a while.
He is genuinely lazy. There was a point where he gave the ball away and just watched, got up and slowly jogged back as if to say....."I just cant be fooked".
He annoyed me more than anyone else and is now the player wbo I want out of my club the most.
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Just seen the Real Madrid fans were booing andwhistling @GarethBale11 and Ronaldo last night very strange fans Gareth come home to real fans
We are so desperate.
Yes Gareth, because we never boo the team or chastise our own players at white heart lane...
If Sherwood plays the best players available to him in the right positions then we would put up more of a fight if not win all matches; thats obvious. One problem is now that our best players (to my eye) do not want to play for him - Vertonghen has gone from a inspirational ball-playing CB to a gutless, worthless pubteam player who doesn't want to play anyway and Paulinho has just slipped away to nowhere. I've no idea whats going on any more.
Lets get a proper manager in for next season, no more experiments please. Sherwood doesn't even know how to control himself pitchside which says a lot about the man; hows he supposed to influence a team of senior professional footballers positively? Its all very disappointing.
Lets get a proper manager in for next season, no more experiments please. Sherwood doesn't even know how to control himself pitchside which says a lot about the man; hows he supposed to influence a team of senior professional footballers positively? Its all very disappointing.
Yid
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I can't locate the actual OPTA stat at the moment (that I saw a few days ago), but here is a small reference to this statistic from "Spurs Stat Man" ((who's actually a fairly knowledgeable bloke)) today, as follows:
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/t...s-theyve-conceded-in-the-pl-this-season-stat/
PS. I'll try to find the other article I was referring to.
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