Liverpool Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[jimbo]

It's not difficult to understand.

Firstly you build a team that can qualify season after season in the top 4, like Arsenal have and then when you do qualify, you "ATTRACT" better players.

It sounds so simple when you put it like that, but it's never going to happen.

We couldn't do it in 2010, and Everton couldn't do it in 2005. It's only the clubs with the big money that can afford to do as you suggest, and they're well insulated against the occasional season out of it too. Liverpool were always going to come back sooner or later because they have a lot more money than us. Without a takeover or a new stadium we're never going to pay the wages to get the players to make regular Champions League participation a reality.

You need the players first.

It's borderline delusional the amount of power the Champions League is credited by fans of all clubs. The UEFA Marketing Team must feel very proud of themselves.

What we need is a manager who can get the best out of the resources that we have, we need to build the new stadium, and if we want to win the league ever again we probably need a super-rich owner who will turn the club into his plaything for a few years.

 

[StockSpur]

Sherwood is going to slowly dissapear from view so they dont have to associate him with this shit and not sack him as a result.
Hopefully the right players will leave but i doubt it, they know a good thing when they see it.

 

[haxman]

I can't locate the actual OPTA stat at the moment (that I saw a few days ago), but here is a small reference to this statistic from "Spurs Stat Man" ((who's actually a fairly knowledgeable bloke)) today, as follows:

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/t...s-theyve-conceded-in-the-pl-this-season-stat/


PS. I'll try to find the other article I was referring to.

OK thanks.

 

[stevenurse]

Let's all laugh at Liverpool

 

[dbspurs]

Thinking more and more about our squad and how we arrived at getting whacked home and away by a team we finished above 4 years in a row.

Due to injuries and Sherwood's ineptitude we were without our first choice at RB (Walker), CMx2 (Sandro + Dembele), RW (Lamela) and CF (Adebayor)

How would Liverpool have covered the same positions if it had happended to them?

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

Am I right in thinking we didn't have an effort on target until the last minute? Pathetic.

However bad we are, there's no point getting rid of Sherwood now. Season is basically over anyway.

According to the Spurs App
Shots on Target - Liv = 5 Spurs 4
Shots off Target - Liv =6 Spurs 11
Corners - Liv =5 Spurs 7

If I had just looked at that and not the score, there is no way I would have seen a 4-0 result to Liverpool.

 

[m*****73]

Look at the one constant over the last number of years of decline.... it also happens to be the key decision maker and agent of change at the Lane... Daniel Levy.

Three years ago we had a manager who knew how to get the best out of his team. But he didn't fit Levy's idea of the modern footballing manager. No, Harry was too old-school, too British, too much of a wheeler-dealer type... so despite his unprecedented success (firstly rescuing us from a relegation dogfight that another of Levy's hand-picked 'euro-managers' got us into, then qualifying for the Champions League, then an unforgettable run in that competition, 5th place, 4th place, robbed one season because of Chelsea's luck, and so on...), Levy failed to back Harry. Didn't give him the funds needed to get a proper striker. Levy didn't trust Harry or his judgement. So as soon as he spotted an opportunity (Harry taking his eye off the ball over the opportunity to manage England - and 'only' finishing 4th!!!), Levy sacked him. What a f*cking stroke of genius that was by the little bald master of WHL.

So, here we are, only a few seasons later... a squad full of players who obviously couldn't care less about the Spurs badge, a manager (appointed by our magnificent chairman) without any experience at senior level and clearly out of his depth, the funds of one of the best players we've seen in Tottenham white in almost 20yrs spent and wasted, a team regularly humbled by it's supposed competitors, a stadium still only on paper drawings....

Thank you Mr. Levy.... and you're greatest achievement? Making 90% of the membership of Spurscommunity think that you are the second coming, beyond reproach or blame for the current mess that this great club finds itself in yet again.

There is a saying that the people get the government they deserve... well, maybe Spurs supporters get the owner, team and players that they deserve too.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Thinking more and more about our squad and how we arrived at getting whacked home and away by a team we finished above 4 years in a row.

Due to injuries and Sherwood's ineptitude we were without our first choice at RB (Walker), CMx2 (Sandro + Dembele), RW (Lamela) and CF (Adebayor)

How would Liverpool have covered the same positions if it had happended to them?

Thing is, Liverpool have been fortunate enough not to have had to worry about that, and secondly, it actually just goes to show how we lack actual strength/quality in depth.

 

[Mr Pink]

Great point about Alonso. It took them years to recover from that.

And we really have looked like a packet of arsebiscuits since Modric left.

I thought you never rated Modric JH?

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Not revolutionary but this isn't the first time Michael Cox has had a pop at Sherwood's tactics:

Source: http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/mar/30/brendan-rogers-tactics-dominate-tim-sherwood
Brendan Rodgers' clever tactics outfox Tim Sherwood's shambolic Spurs

The open, attacking style of this contest was partly the result of aggressive team selections from both coaches.
Liverpool
's manager, Brendan Rodgers, played Raheem Sterling in place of Joe Allen, switching to a 4-3-3 system, while the Tottenham manager, Tim Sherwood, selected four attacking midfielders with only Nabil Bentaleb for protection. Both sides wanted to dominate.

This suited Liverpool, who were allowed the freedom to demonstrate intelligent, cohesive, confident attacking football throughout. The match followed the pattern of their similarly convincing home victories over Everton and Arsenal, 4-0 and 5-1 respectively; they started at tremendous speed, opened the scoring early, then sat deeper before attacking directly and ruthlessly.

For all Liverpool's dominance they rarely put constant pressure upon the Spurs backline, or threw men forward relentlessly to cause overloads in the final third. They didn't have to – their front three harried Spurs' defenders, forced mistakes and created opportunities for themselves, then used the ball efficiently.

Liverpool's second goal summed it up – Steven Gerrard hit an aimless 40-yard ball at Spurs' substitute defender Michael Dawson, whose wayward square pass found Luis Suárez. The Uruguayan immediately sprinted in behind to score. He nearly scored his second before half-time, when Younès Kaboul's pass was intercepted by Sterling and Suárez's header forced Hugo Lloris into a brilliant save. Liverpool's pressing was less obvious than against Arsenal or Manchester United, for example, but Spurs' complicity in the home side's goals was quite remarkable.

Sherwood's strategy must be blamed – the adventurous formation asked an awful lot of Bentaleb and exposed a nervous backline. It also makes little sense to deploy a wide forward, Nacer Chadli, in the No10 role with the central playmaker Christian Eriksen out on the left. Eriksen was exposed for Liverpool's opener, failing to track Glen Johnson.In fairness, Sherwood has never promoted himself as a strategic visionary. His back-to-basics approach initially had a positive impact as it provided such a contrast from André Villas-Boas, but now the honeymoon period has passed, Tottenham's lack of strategy and cohesion has become obvious.

This Spurs performance was just as bad as the 5-0 home thrashing against the same opposition in December – which led to Villas-Boas's dismissal. Sherwood's pre-match admission that he was 'too scared' to watch footage of that defeat suggests, in terms of preparation, he got what he deserved.

Even a drunk sloth could outfox Tim Sherwood.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

I thought you never rated Modric JH?

I thought he was overhyped. But now I drool when I watch him playing for Madrid. The laziness is gone out of his game and I think he's gone to another level.

I thought we made poor use of him but I was a dick for not seeing the true value of him until he left.

 

[Mr Pink]

I thought he was overhyped. But now I drool when I watch him playing for Madrid. The laziness is gone out of his game and I think he's gone to another level.

I thought we made poor use of him but I was a dick for not seeing the true value of him until he left.

Fair enough mate.

 

[scottlag10]

Look at the one constant over the last number of years of decline.... it also happens to be the key decision maker and agent of change at the Lane... Daniel Levy.

Three years ago we had a manager who knew how to get the best out of his team. But he didn't fit Levy's idea of the modern footballing manager. No, Harry was too old-school, too British, too much of a wheeler-dealer type... so despite his unprecedented success (firstly rescuing us from a relegation dogfight that another of Levy's hand-picked 'euro-managers' got us into, then qualifying for the Champions League, then an unforgettable run in that competition, 5th place, 4th place, robbed one season because of Chelsea's luck, and so on...), Levy failed to back Harry. Didn't give him the funds needed to get a proper striker. Levy didn't trust Harry or his judgement. So as soon as he spotted an opportunity (Harry taking his eye off the ball over the opportunity to manage England - and 'only' finishing 4th!!!), Levy sacked him. What a f*cking stroke of genius that was by the little bald master of WHL.

So, here we are, only a few seasons later... a squad full of players who obviously couldn't care less about the Spurs badge, a manager (appointed by our magnificent chairman) without any experience at senior level and clearly out of his depth, the funds of one of the best players we've seen in Tottenham white in almost 20yrs spent and wasted, a team regularly humbled by it's supposed competitors, a stadium still only on paper drawings....

Thank you Mr. Levy.... and you're greatest achievement? Making 90% of the membership of Spurscommunity think that you are the second coming, beyond reproach or blame for the current mess that this great club finds itself in yet again.

There is a saying that the people get the government they deserve... well, maybe Spurs supporters get the owner, team and players that they deserve too.

Don't forget that Levy sold Berbatov and Keane that summer and got Ramos Darren Bent and loan signing Frazer Campbell as replacements

 

[TottenhamLegend]

Having a good time at 4-0 down yesterday:

 

[jimbo]

What's all this Redknapp revisionism about? With the squad we had while he was in charge we ought to have been finishing higher. It's not like we were consistently enjoyable to watch under him either, the 5-1 FA Cup semi-final defeat to Chelsea was particularly shit, and the 1-0 defeats at home to the likes of Norwich and Wigan.

Redknapp did a good job, not a great one, and he's definitely not The Messiah of Football Management.

 

[dagraham]

What's all this Redknapp revisionism about? With the squad we had while he was in charge we ought to have been finishing higher. It's not like we were consistently enjoyable to watch under him either, the 5-1 FA Cup semi-final defeat to Chelsea was particularly shit, and the 1-0 defeats at home to the likes of Norwich and Wigan.

Redknapp did a good job, not a great one, and he's definitely not The Messiah of Football Management.

He's certainly not the messiah of football management but to coin an old cliche, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

The circumstances in his last season were bizarre to say the least and in the end he was sacked for non football reasons. You only have to look at the clusterfuck of a situation now to appreciate that it was a hasty decision.

People call for stability but at the end of that season we had it. The England job was filled and we had a manager who had been with us for 3 years, who players loved playing for and had us mixing it at the
top end of the table, playing good football.

Yes, in a way Harry almost deserved the sack with some of his antics but it's been to the detriment of our team and that's all I really care about.

 

[GlennHoddle]

Don't forget that Levy sold Berbatov and Keane that summer and got Ramos Darren Bent and loan signing Frazer Campbell as replacements

Don't forget we could have a certain Luis Suarez but Harry didn't think he had the tools to lead the line.
What about the present of VdV our chairman gave his manager.

It's not all as black and white as we seem to think it is lads.

Fact is Levy did what he did for the good of THFC. We are a better club from when he took over.
Harry had to go, AVB had to go, Sherwood has to go, Levy........?
I'll give him one last chance at this, f*ck up the next appointment and cheerio

 

[m*****73]

Don't forget we could have a certain Luis Suarez but Harry didn't think he had the tools to lead the line.
What about the present of VdV our chairman gave his manager.

It's not all as black and white as we seem to think it is lads.

Fact is Levy did what he did for the good of THFC. We are a better club from when he took over.
Harry had to go, AVB had to go, Sherwood has to go, Levy........?
I'll give him one last chance at this, f*ck up the next appointment and cheerio

Don't forget:

(a) the appointment of Santini,
(b) the appointment of Comolli,
(c) the f*@ked up way in which Jol was sacked,
(d) the appointment of Ramos,

.... so how many chances do you want to give Levy?

 

[GlennHoddle]

Don't forget:

(a) the appointment of Santini,
(b) the appointment of Comolli,
(c) the f*@ked up way in which Jol was sacked,
(d) the appointment of Ramos,

.... so how many chances do you want to give Levy?

just the one more!

 

[Banny]

Sorry to add a bit more negativity...but...

Vertonghen lost what little respect left I had for him. 20/30 minutes in, we're 1-0 down and he decides she doesn't fancy it. Honestly don't think he was injured. Seen it on a Sunday morning and his body launched just made me want to lump him!

I can except failure but I can't except not trying!