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tiger666

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I think maybe you're being a little too hard. Yes, we fucked the title away last season and yes, that result was disappointing, but c'mon. We've lost 3 times in the league - THREE - and it's Febuary. If offered that at the start of the season, I'd have bitten your hand off.

This team, squad and Poch, deserve a little better from the fans imo, in so far as what they've achieved. We are incredibly difficult to beat - and have been outplayed twice all season - every other game we should have or have won. I've still got as much faith in a Top 4 finish as I did this time yesterday.

I get where you're coming from, but we're still the best team in the league after Chelsea, one poor result and performance doesn't change that for me. Arsenal lost to Watford last week, Liverpool to Hull - we lost at Anfield and some of us are taking it worse that the Scousers and Arse-holes did their results last week.

Chin up man, still in two cups with extremely winnable games and still, at this moment in time sitting in 2nd (it'll most likely be 3rd come later on, but still). Still unbeaten at home and in our final season at the Lane.

We're in a good place - one loss doesn't mean the world is going to fall in around us.

This should be stickied.
 

Armstrong_11

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Ok... I think I am finally ready to open up my feelings about the match.... Was really pissed last night, gave up around the 80th min, which was 3+am in the morning for me....

I admit, I expect Liverpool to win. It's always hard to come anyway with anything at Anfield unless Liverpool self implode. But this time... We imploded. Really disappoint and heart breaking. It's like we wasn't prepared for the game. We won't setup tactically and mentally to win.

It was almost was when in thinking we will win, and didn't have a backup plan. Yes we played slightly better in the 2nd half. But we were always 2nd best.

We haven't been performing well in the past few matches, time to wake up Tottenham!

COYS!
 

Hazardousman

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We can't win every game.

Anfield with this Liverpool team is always going to be one of the toughest fixtures we have so I think the amount of negativity we see in the post match is a bit too much.

We aren't a side that is used to sitting back and soaking up pressure. You, or we, the spectators, find it all too easy to say, oh just sit back and play like Hull do and nick a win. You can't just turn that kind of mentality on. We don't have the defensive personnel and we certainly don't have the lone attacker or attackers up front with ridiculous pace and hope they can fashion a chance out of a hopeful clearance.

Come on guy, let's look forward to the next game. Way too much poch bashing this weekend.

You are over simplifying the issue though, it's almost disingenuous, the problem is, even I went into the game expecting a loss, with our recent record at Anfield and Liverpool being a wounded animal with Mane back, well the writing was on the wall per say.

However, the problem is, not only did we lose, we didn't even turn up, that's the main issue here, we looked unprepared, sloppy, void of any ideas, we played right into their hands.

It was a mess all around and the reason for that was our approach to the game, yesterday was on Poch I am afraid, yes we may still have lost regardless but if we had a better plan going into the game we could have at least lost with some pride.

Yesterday we looked like a league 1 team desperately trying to stay in a game against an opponent that is far better than us, that's the reason so many people are annoyed, we made Liverpool look better than they are and at the same time, did the same thing everyone always expects us to do, freeze like a deer in headlights on a big occasion.
 

Bulletspur

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I think maybe you're being a little too hard. Yes, we fucked the title away last season and yes, that result was disappointing, but c'mon. We've lost 3 times in the league - THREE - and it's Febuary. If offered that at the start of the season, I'd have bitten your hand off.

This team, squad and Poch, deserve a little better from the fans imo, in so far as what they've achieved. We are incredibly difficult to beat - and have been outplayed twice all season - every other game we should have or have won. I've still got as much faith in a Top 4 finish as I did this time yesterday.

I get where you're coming from, but we're still the best team in the league after Chelsea, one poor result and performance doesn't change that for me. Arsenal lost to Watford last week, Liverpool to Hull - we lost at Anfield and some of us are taking it worse that the Scousers and Arse-holes did their results last week.

Chin up man, still in two cups with extremely winnable games and still, at this moment in time sitting in 2nd (it'll most likely be 3rd come later on, but still). Still unbeaten at home and in our final season at the Lane.

We're in a good place - one loss doesn't mean the world is going to fall in around us.
If we had set our stall properly and given a good return with regard to performance and tactics, I wouldn't moan the loss. But neither were in evidence yesterday. Against Chelsea away we stood and fought toe to toe and gave a good account of ourselves but we lost with honour. There was no honour in yesterday's performance, hence the reactions like mine - pissed!
 

Hazardousman

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I think maybe you're being a little too hard. Yes, we fucked the title away last season and yes, that result was disappointing, but c'mon. We've lost 3 times in the league - THREE - and it's Febuary. If offered that at the start of the season, I'd have bitten your hand off.

This team, squad and Poch, deserve a little better from the fans imo, in so far as what they've achieved. We are incredibly difficult to beat - and have been outplayed twice all season - every other game we should have or have won. I've still got as much faith in a Top 4 finish as I did this time yesterday.

I get where you're coming from, but we're still the best team in the league after Chelsea, one poor result and performance doesn't change that for me. Arsenal lost to Watford last week, Liverpool to Hull - we lost at Anfield and some of us are taking it worse that the Scousers and Arse-holes did their results last week.

Chin up man, still in two cups with extremely winnable games and still, at this moment in time sitting in 2nd (it'll most likely be 3rd come later on, but still). Still unbeaten at home and in our final season at the Lane.

We're in a good place - one loss doesn't mean the world is going to fall in around us.

I know you are right mate, deep down I do but you know it's really hard to shake that feeling we are only ever one result away from a complete meltdown.

I doubt I would even feel like this right now if we had finished last season strong but watching us get thumped by a 10 man Newcastle really knocked my confidence, it still feels painful even now if I am honest and I think there is still a question mark in the back of my mind about that sort of mentality.

Are we going to do that again? Well, I would hope not and I do believe this team has more fight than ever before but as you know, sport is a confidence and momentum sport mainly and right now the momentum seems to be swinging against us.
 

Bulletspur

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You are over simplifying the issue though, it's almost disingenuous, the problem is, even I went into the game expecting a loss, with our recent record at Anfield and Liverpool being a wounded animal with Mane back, well the writing was on the wall per say.

However, the problem is, not only did we lose, we didn't even turn up, that's the main issue here, we looked unprepared, sloppy, void of any ideas, we played right into their hands.

It was a mess all around and the reason for that was our approach to the game, yesterday was on Poch I am afraid, yes we may still have lost regardless but if we had a better plan going into the game we could have at least lost with some pride.

Yesterday we looked like a league 1 team desperately trying to stay in a game against an opponent that is far better than us, that's the reason so many people are annoyed, we made Liverpool look better than they are and at the same time, did the same thing everyone always expects us to do, freeze like a deer in headlights on a big occasion.
:finger: I wish I could give you multi "winner" ratings!
 

tiger666

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You are over simplifying the issue though, it's almost disingenuous, the problem is, even I went into the game expecting a loss, with our recent record at Anfield and Liverpool being a wounded animal with Mane back, well the writing was on the wall per say.

However, the problem is, not only did we lose, we didn't even turn up, that's the main issue here, we looked unprepared, sloppy, void of any ideas, we played right into their hands.

It was a mess all around and the reason for that was our approach to the game, yesterday was on Poch I am afraid, yes we may still have lost regardless but if we had a better plan going into the game we could have at least lost with some pride.

Yesterday we looked like a league 1 team desperately trying to stay in a game against an opponent that is far better than us, that's the reason so many people are annoyed, we made Liverpool look better than they are and at the same time, did the same thing everyone always expects us to do, freeze like a deer in headlights on a big occasion.

Do you think it would have been the same if we had Rose and Verts fit?
 

Good Doctor M

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I know you are right mate, deep down I do but you know it's really hard to shake that feeling we are only ever one result away from a complete meltdown.

I doubt I would even feel like this right now if we had finished last season strong but watching us get thumped by a 10 man Newcastle really knocked my confidence, it still feels painful even now if I am honest and I think there is still a question mark in the back of my mind about that sort of mentality.

Are we going to do that again? Well, I would hope not and I do believe this team has more fight than ever before but as you know, sport is a confidence and momentum sport mainly and right now the momentum seems to be swinging against us.

I have a similar pessimistic inclination, of course. I think anyone who watched us through the barron, desperate Graham, Gross and Ramos years has that same pessimism bubbling always close the surface - even the BMJ era was glossed with horrible memories of losses snatched from the jaws of victory - I still, with very little effort, can convince myself that we will concede everytime the ball crosses the halfway line into our half - I still get nervous at the mere sight of a throw in 40 yards from our goal - but we're not that same team, not that same club.

The result at Newcastle was vintage Spurs, a sort of sick throwback to the days of a team punctuated with as many Tarrico's as there was Ginola's, so of course it made everyone with any memory of seeing us blitz a team one week with wonder goals only to get roundly outfoxed 7 days later at home to Sheffield Wednesday after Chris Perry or some other clown got caught ballwatching, think to themselves "Oh Jesus, I've seen this before. I already know how this ends. It ends like that movie Cool Runnings, if the bobsleigh when it had flipped over had exploded on impact in a massive fireball killing everyone in it instantly, the Jamican team's burnt corpses strewn about the snow like burnt sausages in at Siberian prison barbeque."

But it shouldn't let it effect us or we'll be forever unable to lose with anything even remotely close to composure or a sense of reason, never able to put a defeat in it's real context and not view it as a harbinger of some presumed, imment return to a life of watching us stumble to a mid-table finish, one eye on the fair play league to see if our disciplinary record was spotless enough to have us slip in the backdoor to a thoroughly undeserved UEFA Cup place in which we would simply hold no other purpose than to make up the numbers.

But we're a long way from that. It's a very young team - kids. And the draw at Chelsea knocked the stuffing out of them and they suffered for the remainder of games. But, really, I think they're stronger than that. It's all learning. I'm confident that they'll be fine - we have to remember that the squad aren't plagued by the memories our supporters are. They'll be fine. There's not a manager in world football I'd have in there instead of Poch. Can't ask for much more if you ask me? We'll be fine. These lads will be fucking fuming at that result and I can't see what occured at the tail end of last season happening again - and hell, even if it does, I really don't think it will be from a lack of spirit or confidence. This team knows how to get angry. Anger's good after a defeat. We haven't had an angry team for a long time. And anger felt on the field as much as the terraces, is exactly what these club needs, and I think has, right now.
 
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homer hotspur

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I have a similar pessimistic inclination, of course. I think anyone who watched us through the barron, desperate Graham, Gross and Graham years has that same pessimism bubbling always close the surface - even the BMJ era was glossed with horrible memories of losses snatched from the jaws of victory - I still, with very little effort, can convince myself that we will concede everytime the ball crosses the halfway line into our half - I still get nervous at the mere sight of a throw in 40 yards from our goal - but we're not that same team, not that same club.

The result at Newcastle was vintage Spurs, a sort of sick throwback to the days of a team punctuated with as many Tarrico's as there was Ginola's, so of course it made everyone with any memory of seeing us blitz a team one week with wonder goals only to get roundly outfoxed 7 days later at home to Sheffield Wednesday after Chris Perry or some other clown got caught ballwatching, think to themselves "Oh Jesus, I've seen this before. I already know how this ends. It ends like that movie Cool Runnings, if the bobsleigh when it had flipped over had exploded on impact in a massive fireball killing everyone in it instantly, the Jamican team's burnt corpses strewn about the snow like burnt sausages in at Siberian prison barbeque."

But it shouldn't let it effect us or we'll be forever unable to lose with anything even remotely close to composure or a sense of reason, never able to put a defeat in it's real context and not view it as a harbinger of some presumed, imment return to a life of watching us stumble to a mid-table finish, one eye on the fair play league to see if our disciplinary record was spotless enough to have us slip in the backdoor to a thoroughly undeserved UEFA Cup place in which we would simply have no other purpose than to make up the numbers.

But we're a long way from that. It's a very young team - kids. And the draw at Chelsea knocked the stuffing out of them and they suffered for the remainder of games. But, really, I think they're stronger than that. It's all learning. I'm confident that they'll be fine - we have to remember that the squad aren't plagued by the memories our supporters are. They'll be fine. There's not a manager in world football I'd have in there instead of Poch. Can't ask for much more if you ask me? We'll be fine. These lads will be fucking fuming at that result and I can't see what occured at the tail end of last season happening again - and hell, even if it does, I really don't think it will be from a lack of spirit or confidence. This team knows how to get angry. Anger's good after a defeat. We haven't had an angry team for a long time. And anger felt on the field as much as the terraces, is exactly what these club needs, and I think has, right now.
Good points- I wonder how you feel about next season with home games at Wembley and how that might affect us. Based on how vital WHL has become this season , I am deeply concerned that we may be heading back to obscurity next season and the effect that may have on the team dynamic before the new stadium opens the following season.
 

Good Doctor M

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Good points- I wonder how you feel about next season with home games at Wembley and how that might affect us. Based on how vital WHL has become this season , I am deeply concerned that we may be heading back to obscurity next season and the effect that may have on the team dynamic before the new stadium opens the following season.

Who knows. But it has to happen. I think we might find it difficult for at least the first 10 games - but the fact that there will routinely be 60,000 Spurs fans cheering the team on every second week, ultimately I would hope, would mean that every home game will very quickly begin to be relished by the players on the field. Imagine drawing away to Chelsea and thinking, "Wait til we get you twats at Wembly with a fucking army of Spurs fans." We'll have an amount of fans that no opposition will have played in the presence of before. I'm excited by the prospect, despite the blatant problems that may arise.
 

Good Doctor M

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What does poch see in sissoko?

You know when you buy yourself a really expensive item of clothing, a nice leather jacket maybe, and after a few nights out with it, you realise suddenly you're not all that keen on it, but still, you think, "I spent £200 quid on this bastard thing, I'm still gonna wear it," even if it makes you look like fucking bellend.
 
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Indacupfortottenham

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Being involved means still being within touching distance of it with a few games to go NOT 9 points, 12 by end of today possibly, behind with a third of the season still to go ffs.
Some of you lot are so easily pleased, no wonder our club has a losers mentality. We are that kid in school who came last in the 100m sprint on sports day but gets a pat on the back for at least reaching the final......:rolleyes:


Easily pleased! I've watched us be mid table pish for most of my life, as others baring Leicester have bought success that we simply cannot afford.
We have gone down the road of bringing on and bringing in young talent and a Manager that are challenging this trend, and you think that because I am pleased about this, it is showing a losing mentality! Grrrrrr .
This group are finallly pushing at the top end of the league, for me we were in the title race until the gap got too big, 12 points is too much I think now unless Burnley can pull off an upset but it still nice too be involved and think about actually winning titles for the second time in my life! We are progressing and building something that I for one am happy to be a part of.
Some of the kids that lost those races, gained experience, kept trying and went on to achieve great things I'm sure.
 
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SpursDave88

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I refrained from coming on this site post the game and have now cooled off.

The result and performance rests almost entirely with Poch and it was an almost identical performance to our away game against Monaco. The 4-4-2 diamond must be one of the worst and least effective formations ever. We played it at home to West Ham and should have lost that and last night we were well beaten, we essentially played with a back two playing high up the pitch, I genuinely no idea what were intending to do, it was if we wanted to make it as easy as possible for Liverpool to win.

We needed to play ether the 3-4-3 or the 4-3-3 and start deep. We didn't show Liverpool any respect in the way we set up the team and frankly the 2-0 defeat flatters us heavily, if we had lost by 5 that would have been a fairer reflection of the balance of play.

Davies and Dier are very average players, we never got into the game.
 

shelfboy68

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You are over simplifying the issue though, it's almost disingenuous, the problem is, even I went into the game expecting a loss, with our recent record at Anfield and Liverpool being a wounded animal with Mane back, well the writing was on the wall per say.

However, the problem is, not only did we lose, we didn't even turn up, that's the main issue here, we looked unprepared, sloppy, void of any ideas, we played right into their hands.

It was a mess all around and the reason for that was our approach to the game, yesterday was on Poch I am afraid, yes we may still have lost regardless but if we had a better plan going into the game we could have at least lost with some pride.

Yesterday we looked like a league 1 team desperately trying to stay in a game against an opponent that is far better than us, that's the reason so many people are annoyed, we made Liverpool look better than they are and at the same time, did the same thing everyone always expects us to do, freeze like a deer in headlights on a big occasion.

Best post on this thread a shocking performance all round this probably will kick start their season again leaving them finishing above us.
Your dead right that we made them look better than they were we just seem resigned to the inevitable as soon often is the case.
 

Mr Pink

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We can't win every game.

Anfield with this Liverpool team is always going to be one of the toughest fixtures we have so I think the amount of negativity we see in the post match is a bit too much.

We aren't a side that is used to sitting back and soaking up pressure. You, or we, the spectators, find it all too easy to say, oh just sit back and play like Hull do and nick a win. You can't just turn that kind of mentality on. We don't have the defensive personnel and we certainly don't have the lone attacker or attackers up front with ridiculous pace and hope they can fashion a chance out of a hopeful clearance.

Come on guy, let's look forward to the next game. Way too much poch bashing this weekend.

Sorry, but I don't agree with that at all. Only bit I agree with is its only one game.

And if you can't adapt to different types of games against different opponents you'll never reach your true potential.

We're doing really well but these types of games are the ones where we need to show tactical awareness.

It doesn't require a complete mentality shift either, just some logic at countering a very strong attacking side who were a wounded animal playing under the lights at home under a very demanding crowd.

Play the more defensive Sissoko in front of our weakest link and give him some protection against their biggest threat.

Not rocket science, and our left side was duly raped. Game was lost before a ball was even kicked.

There was absolutely nothing difficult in predicting how this game would go if we set up the same way to how we played against Middlesbrough.

In other words we decided to pay their attacking power, and the fact that they would be desperate to win, no respect whatsoever.

Its not about radically changing the way we play as such, it's about being tactically aware and astute enough when conditions warrant it - like playing away at Anfield under current circumstances.
 

zoneD

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...Poch should have started a back 3 with Wimmer supporting Dier/Toby, and also should have started Sissoko over Son...it was embarrassing how easily they turned us over and exposed our lack of defensive support...

...and anyone with half a brain can see that Sissoko is 10 times the player Lamela is, but couldn't care less - if his lack of motivation is preventing him from being an effective starter or impact sub, it's squarely on Poch...

COYS
 

mill

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...Poch should have started a back 3 with Wimmer supporting Dier/Toby, and also should have started Sissoko over Son...it was embarrassing how easily they turned us over and exposed our lack of defensive support...

...and anyone with half a brain can see that Sissoko is 10 times the player Lamela is, but couldn't care less - if his lack of motivation is preventing him from being an effective starter or impact sub, it's squarely on Poch...

COYS

Back 3 and sissoko over son? Who gets dropped or do we play with 12?
 
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