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Louis Van Gaal appointed Man Utd manager.

faulks

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It raises an interesting question. Has a manager ever been fired to be replaced by superior manager, even when he has the club where the board want it to be?

You could argue Benitez did everything required of him, finished 3rd and won the EL. Off the back of the Di Matteo sacking, they were pretty much out of the CL and 9 points off top when he took over.
 

TheGreenLily

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I think he will come to Spurs IMO. I have had my doubts about TS, but he did play a 4-3-3 (ish) yesterday and for the first 30 mins it was scary, but we scored the goal it was a lot better and that was good move from him. Still he didn't play Lamela over an ineffective Lennon... still I digress.

More over, if we are not letting Lamela go, it "could" be a case that Levy is just waiting for the summer to bring him in especially if he has an emphasis on bring through the youth.

Then that doesn't explain Holtby's sale... I would hold of selling anyone and wait until we get a manager in place if it is Levy's idea till wait till the summer.
 

ero1x

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Keep praying we lose enough matches guys so we can bring in your LVG, FDB or whatever other exotic name you're all w***king over. Steve McClaren won the (Mickey mouse) Dutch league with FC Twente, should we consider hiring him too? Also with respect to Bayern Munich or Barcalona, any manager/coach would probably be considered a failure if they didn't win a title there.

Like @teok says, 'it's always good to have options' but I sense a feeling of some fans actually wanting TS (and Spurs) to fail just so we can try some of those other options. Even if we finished in the top three some of you would probably still want him replaced or working under some foreign bloke with no PL experience whatsoever next season.
 

Ribble

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Van Gaal is the most difficult man to get on with in football, how do you think him and Levy will fair ?

That'd be my concern with LVG, I think if he was to come in it would really be necessary for Levy to take a step backwards and allow him & Baldini to get on with it. If that did happen and there was some kind of long-term plan where Sherwood stayed, stepped back into the u21s whilst working with him and then returned that might be a decent idea, although he's doing a pretty good job already without that apprenticeship.
 

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Keep praying we lose enough matches guys so we can bring in your LVG, FDB or whatever other exotic name you're all w***king over. .

try as i am, im really struggling to see what you have starred out there, and im pretty good at swearing
 

Ribble

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try as i am, im really struggling to see what you have starred out there, and im pretty good at swearing

I believe he's implying people participating in onanism over the thought of a manager from overseas.
 

CowInAComa

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That's more or less what I expect. I am not expecting us to get top 4 and Tim will pay for it, if the right manager can be bought in.

Why arent you expecting top 4 may I ask?

I genuinely think we are favourites for it.
 

SpursManChris

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You could argue Benitez did everything required of him, finished 3rd and won the EL. Off the back of the Di Matteo sacking, they were pretty much out of the CL and 9 points off top when he took over.
But in Chelsea case, the chairman had a fetish for the CL and wanted nothing other than winning it so the club was not where he wanted it
 

SlunkSoma

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I'm happy to go with the 'If it aint broke, don't fix it' approach with Tim. Harry's 'sacking' was a bit different as the club evidently felt it time for a change. Don't think that's the case with Tim.
 

mattstev2000

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I think the perfomances lately have shown it was time for AVB to go, how he managed to get such a talanted group of players playing so poorly was shocking. Tim has had probably worse injury problems than AVB did and yet he has us playing football and more importantly winning games.

Jol I do think went to early and Redknapp went IMO due to the England job, his slump after Christmas and other issues there were between Levy and him. I dont think Levy ever fully trusted him, espeically on the transfer front.

Personally I think AVBs record with us warranted him getting the rest of the season to get things right, but at the end of the day he's gone, we're winning, so things seem right with DLs approach at the moment...
 

danielneeds

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People saying sack Sherwood whatever he achieves, and bring in LVG in the summer are clueless. He's undoubtedly a fine manager, with a glittering CV, but there is no guarantee he will translate that experience to the PL - a league which is entirely singular to any other - the country, the media, the expectations of fans for "getting the ball forward", among other things.

Also, if you look at LVG's CV, AZ apart, he's been managing teams which are traditionally the powerhouses of their league - Ajax, Barca (1 of 2 powerhouses), and Bayern. Spurs are a very different proposition. Maybe we need someone who demands a culture of success, but also he may find it different having a very different circumstance.

What I am saying is, Levy will still be rolling the dice either way. And if Sherwood achieves something special this season, we would be still be reckless chancing our arm.
 
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tototoner

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People saying sack Sherwood whatever he achieves, and bring in LVG in the summer are clueless. He's undoubtedly a fine manager, with a glittering CV, but there is no guarantee he will translate that experience to the PL - a league which is entirely singular to any other - the country, the media, the expectations of fans for "getting the ball forward", among other thing.

Also, if you look at LVG's CV, AZ apart, he's been managing teams which are traditionally the powerhouses of their league - Ajax, Barca (1 of 2 powerhouses), and Bayern. Spurs are a very different proposition. Maybe we need someone who demands a culture of success, but also he may find it different having a very different circumstance.

What I am saying is, Levy will still be rolling the dice either way. And if Sherwood achieves something special this season, we would be still be reckless chancing our arm.

winner
 

Donki

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Personally I think AVBs record with us warranted him getting the rest of the season to get things right, but at the end of the day he's gone, we're winning, so things seem right with DLs approach at the moment...

Yes indeed at the moment is key here, a bad result against City and knives will be out.
 

AnotherSpursFan

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Proven / past track records / big name....I'm sorry, but i'm very skeptical, these so called "Big Name" managers have never work out for us and i don't think it'll start working out anytime soon. I believe what i see, and my eyes is telling me that Tim Sherwood is obviously the future, the right man to take us foward.
 

$hoguN

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Proven / past track records / big name....I'm sorry, but i'm very skeptical, these so called "Big Name" managers have never work out for us and i don't think it'll start working out anytime soon. I believe what i see, and my eyes is telling me that Tim Sherwood is obviously the future, the right man to take us foward.

What big name managers have we genuinely had?
 

AnotherSpursFan

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What big name managers have we genuinely had?
True...not really big name, but managers whose reputations were hyped up by the media:
Ramos
AVB

Before appointing AVB. We had a chance to go for Martinez.
But, we all know how everyone felt about that possible appointment don't we.
 

talkshowhost86

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People saying sack Sherwood whatever he achieves, and bring in LVG in the summer are clueless. He's undoubtedly a fine manager, with a glittering CV, but there is no guarantee he will translate that experience to the PL - a league which is entirely singular to any other - the country, the media, the expectations of fans for "getting the ball forward", among other things.

Also, if you look at LVG's CV, AZ apart, he's been managing teams which are traditionally the powerhouses of their league - Ajax, Barca (1 of 2 powerhouses), and Bayern. Spurs are a very different proposition. Maybe we need someone who demands a culture of success, but also he may find it different having a very different circumstance.

What I am saying is, Levy will still be rolling the dice either way. And if Sherwood achieves something special this season, we would be still be reckless chancing our arm.

I agree generally, but I suppose the decision will be based on what is considered 'special'.

At the start of the season, Levy's expectations were presumably for us to finish in the top 4. Can he apply those expectations to Sherwood? Is it realistic to do so if he doesn't give him any money in January? Was it ever really realistic in the first place considering the number of new players we signed?

I think Levy is in a real mess with the manager situation at the moment. He's hired a Director of Football based on what one manager wanted and now that manager isn't there. So what happens with Baldini? At the same time he clearly didn't trust Tim enough to give him a long term contract, so what does he do if Sherwood does well? What does he do if he comes 5th (which would be a great achievement really).

Levy appears to be bluffing his way through at the moment and I hope that he actually takes some time to get it right (whatever the decision) because, although results are going well, it all looks very messy at the moment off the pitch.
 

hodsgod

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Why arent you expecting top 4 may I ask?

I genuinely think we are favourites for it.

Really because I am not sure how good our manager is, or the team. We struggled to score the first half of the season, and now we have a relatively unknown quantity in our manager. I also worry about scoring goals, if Ade gets injured we don't have anyone scoring.

We are competing with Liverpool and Everton maybe even manure for one spot. It is going to be tough.
 
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