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Man City Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

Nebby

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What are these 'goals' of which you speak?

Yeah, you got me, I have no idea. Apparently we used to score a lot of these goal thingies, but then we sold some bloke called Bale and in a fit of pique he took them all with him. Shame really.
 

prawnsandwich

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We were in the game, absolutely. But we were so panicked whenever they got close to our box, anything could've happened really and it manifested itself in 3 conceded penalties.

Lamela was horrible in the game IMO. Yet more poor, low percentage balls and awful ability off the ball. As I've said before, tracking back and pressing isn't the same as running around quickly but awkwardly. He was at fault for the first two goals for me and at Arsenal.

He's almost matched his assist tally with goals he's been at fault for. :playful:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-clowns-at-Anfield-we-werent-having-that.html

Jose says

"Obviously talent is so important.And how many points are you going to win based on talent? A lot. But how many points do you lose based on the qualities you are speaking about [character, strength]? You lose also a lot of points. So the balance is between the talent you need and these mental qualities, team qualities.
 

SteveH

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If "being in the game" means we were only a goal down, then fair enough. But we were far from looking likely winners.

At times it was panic stations at the back. Way too many mistakes against a team that will punish you. We look a long way short of top four material.

That post could have applied to both sides in the game.

City can be rocky at the back for team of their financial ability. Its why they struggle in Europe against the quality sides.
Give us Aguero and we would/could have beaten City, these world class players turn good defenders into "rabbits in headlights".
 

SteveH

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-clowns-at-Anfield-we-werent-having-that.html

Jose says

"Obviously talent is so important.And how many points are you going to win based on talent? A lot. But how many points do you lose based on the qualities you are speaking about [character, strength]? You lose also a lot of points. So the balance is between the talent you need and these mental qualities, team qualities.

Pochettino sounds like he agrees with Jose regarding character, strength. He has mentioned this often and it is why he will eventually succeed at Spurs, but as many remind me on SC it will take time. The premier league is a two horse race this season with 3rd and 4th attainable even why Poch implements his style and attitude.
 

jezz

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Seriously?
Yes seriously.
If you didn't see this then I give up.
if you want to be negative about a manager's tenure in it's infancy then please put me on ignore, because quite frankly you know jack about building a team.
I'm not interested in the i want it now fanbase.
By all means discuss the negatives, but also the flip side warrants discussion.
 

Nebby

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Yes seriously.
If you didn't see this then I give up.
if you want to be negative about a manager's tenure in it's infancy then please put me on ignore, because quite frankly you know jack about building a team.
I'm not interested in the i want it now fanbase.
By all means discuss the negatives, but also the flip side warrants discussion.

If you are going to lecture others on the need to see both sides of the story, would you kindly start practicing what you preach.

I don't recall complaining about Poch's ability to build a team. I don't recall saying that I expect results immediately. And I'm sorry, but I don't recall a single moment when we had City's defence in a state of panic on Saturday.
 

ExpatFan

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Tell city or chelsea fans and Im sure they wont give a Fuck cos when your winning stuff No body bats an eyelid.
I find it strange that anytime We get beaten by one of the wealthy clubs some of our fans harp on about they are not real clubs etc,but that is total BS i say good luck to them.
If someone wants to be ambitious and spend his or hers money they why not its then down to others to keep up or shut up.
When Bill nick spent big in building the great double team i bet nobody moaned then and for the best part of our history we were big spenders even paying more wages for gazza than Utd could, so We have not right to preach about spending big.

I'm afraid you've also missed the point which I and others have been making. Read my post again, and an earlier one, in which I said:

"With respect, I think you're missing the point that I and others (SK, PL1) are making. We're not objecting to wealthy clubs buying the best players and paying the highest wages. 'twas ever thus. The fact is that Manure and the Arse, for example, have - in my view - generated their revenue the right way: through attendances, sponsorship, advertising, commercialism, marketing etc., etc.
My objection to the Chavs and Oil Well FC is that their money - and therefore the trophies they've bought with it - hasn't been generated like that. Mansour and Abramovich have used other people's money to fund their "my dick is bigger than yours" ego trip. Their money is tarnished which means the trophies they've bought with it also are.

I too am a "Greaves generation" supporter and would love nothing more than to see my club win the title just once more in my lifetime. But if we did so, having to rely on an Abramovich or a Mansour, it would definitely, for me, take the shine off it."

As for your points, I think you exaggerate when you say "...anytime We get beaten by one of the wealthy clubs some of our fans harp on about they are not real clubs." Again, I think you'll find they're referring specifically to Chelski and Man City. I don't recall reading any of our fans saying the likes of Man U, Liverpool or the Gooners are not "real clubs." Rather it's only when it's the Chavs and Oil Well FC... and I must admit I do find it surprising that you can "say good luck to them." I may well be wrong but I suspect that you are in the minority on this forum in wishing Chelsea and Man City good luck.
Finally, you say: "If someone wants to be ambitious and spend his or hers money they why not its then down to others to keep up or shut up." But that's the whole point. With regard to the owners of those two clubs, it wasn't their own money!
Probably the longest post I've ever made on here. Obviously have too much time on my hands today!
 
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shelfboy68

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I'm afraid you've also missed the point which I and others have been making. Read my post again, and an earlier one, in which I said:

"With respect, I think you're missing the point that I and others (SK, PL1) are making. We're not objecting to wealthy clubs buying the best players and paying the highest wages. 'twas ever thus. The fact is that Manure and the Arse, for example, have - in my view - generated their revenue the right way: through attendances, sponsorship, advertising, commercialism, marketing etc., etc.
My objection to the Chavs and Oil Well FC is that their money - and therefore the trophies they've bought with it - hasn't been generated like that. Mansour and :cautious::cautious::sneaky::cautious: have used other people's money to fund their "my dick is bigger than yours" ego trip. Their money is tarnished which means the trophies they've bought with it also are.

I too am a "Greaves generation" supporter and would love nothing more than to see my club win the title just once more in my lifetime. But if we did so, having to rely on an Abramovich or a Mansour, it would definitely, for me, take the shine off it."

As for your points, I think you exaggerate when you say "...anytime We get beaten by one of the wealthy clubs some of our fans harp on about they are not real clubs." Again, I think you'll find they're referring specifically to Chelski and Man City. I don't recall reading any of our fans saying the likes of Man U, Liverpool or the Gooners are not "real clubs." Rather it's only when it's the Chavs and Oil Well FC... and I must admit I do find it surprising that you can "say good luck to them." I may well be wrong but I suspect that you are in the minority on this forum in wishing Chelsea and Man City good luck.
Finally, you say: "If someone wants to be ambitious and spend his or hers money they why not its then down to others to keep up or shut up." But that's the whole point. With regard to the owners of those two clubs, it wasn't their own money!
Probably the longest post I've ever made on here. Obviously have too much time on my hands today!

Ok the wealthy clubs yes city/Chelsea everytime We get beaten which is pretty much every season the question of them buying titles comes up.
And yes i can where i went wrong now saying good luck as in the Case for Chelsea i hate them, but what i meant was good on anyone that wants to go for it its down to others to challenge that status quo isnt it.
And as for whether its his money or not they are still bank rolling the club by playing guaranter or sugar daddy it matters not Does it because if its so wrong why doesnt anyone from the world of football stop them then if anything was illegal.
And yes i must have too much time today as well :happy:
 

slartibartfast

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And I'm sorry, but I don't recall a single moment when we had City's defence in a state of panic on Saturday.
Then u either didn't watch the game or you've forgotten.
We carved them open on a few occasions and Hart made about 3 saves with his bloody feet while diving so not sure what you're on about.
We have improved, there's no doubt. The passing and movement is twice as quick as it was against Liverpool.
I think far too many can't see further than the score.
 

slartibartfast

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Also will those focusing on the negative please try and remember we went into this game looking to hit them on the counter.
Once they scored, which shouldn't have stood btw, we're then chasing the game.
We got back in and the ref stuffed us again with a joke of a penalty.
We're chasing it again.
Then we .issed a pen which Im afraid you just cannot do in big games like this but that would have put us level.
We had more chances but with the sending off, which again was soft, it was over.
The Ref played a massive part (villain) in Citys wonderful scoreline.
They may well have scored anyway. We'll never know. But its hard enough to beat these teams without the f in ref giving them a 2 goal head start.
 

Syn_13

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Read any book about any top manager or coach and it is quite clear that they breed a "defend as a team" ethos, not defend if your'e a defensive midfielder or wide player. Look at any great side and all ten outfield players defend when they do not have the ball.

Fair comment. Team defends as a unit, but what I'm getting at is when you're on the attack. In a 4-2-3-1 with inverted wingers like we play the full backs are the real wide options who try to get in balls from the byline whilst our inverted wingers come inside to help out the forward, lest he be isolated. During that phase of play one of the holding mids, in our case Capoue/Stambouli, needs to be a backup for the defenders and also an option if we need to pass back to open up the other team. Otherwise, you're right, the team need to defend as a unit. I do think Lamela does get stuck in, even if he isn't the best at it, and let's be honest, plenty of wide players for even the best clubs do not bother tracking back or putting in a shift defensively because other players are tasked for this role.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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We just won't score enough goals.


Look to almost any game under AVB or Poch and the system that they want to play just does not suit any of our current strikers. It's as simple as that.

Once the management accept that and buy players to suit the system rather than arse about face then perhaps we might frighten a few sides, but in all honesty i am surprised Levy hasn't tried to change our name to Tottenham Nil.

We have scored just a paltry ten PL goals and four of those in one game! Some on here want Ade dropped and some Soldado but in truth just who do they expect can come in and score a dozen goals this season with the current 4-2-3-1 system at a price that we could afford?
 

Gassin's finest

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Denied clear goal scoring opportunity? Then it's a red card. Fazio made a silly error.

First penalty was just bad luck, if not flat out harsh. But Lampard has been winning pens like that all his career, the big twat. English players don't dive? No no, only Gerrard, Lampard, Owen, Beckham, Joe Cole, Shearer, McManaman, Sturridge, Sterling, Lallana etc etc...

Otherwise we were ripped asunder by an unplayable Aguero. That was one hell of a display from him, and I don't think any defender would have been able to cope with that. He struck like a cobra for his two goals from open play. I thought we looked pretty good going forward, the response for the equaliser was superb. We were let down by naivety in defence, as per the norm so far this season. But at the end of the day a 4-1 hammering is a 4-1 hammering, and we proved to be a soft target yet again. The defence is naive yes, but the midfield is porous, and doesn't command the field as it should. Strength and grit is still the main problem in this squad.
 

Kendall

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The lack of ruthlessness from anyone competing for 3rd/4th is a massive opportunity for us. If one team can get a grip and go on a run, they could be out of sight of 5th by January.
 
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