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Manchester City Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

TottenhamMattSpur

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Not sure why AVB gets it all, some of the performances were shocking. If we had beaten Newcastle this wouldnt have been so bad. We dont need to panic into any rash decisions, but AVB needs a long hard look at his team and get a settled side. Lemela worries te hell out of me, but id play him in the hole, with lennon and townsend either side

If we'd have beaten Newcastle.

Mate, we haven't scored a goal from open play since when? Villa?
We couldn't beat an egg with an electric whisk.
 

ibbz

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Not sure why AVB gets it all, some of the performances were shocking. If we had beaten Newcastle this wouldnt have been so bad. We dont need to panic into any rash decisions, but AVB needs a long hard look at his team and get a settled side. Lemela worries te hell out of me, but id play him in the hole, with lennon and townsend either side

IF IF we'd beaten Newcastle, but we didn't, we lost, and yes I know the Goalie made some good saves, but that doesn't detract from the fact that we lost and let a goal in and couldn't score, and couldn't score in several other games too.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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I've got a ticket for United next week.
I ain't gonna lie. Id rather have my 50 quid back and a day on my new ps4 which gets delivered Friday.
 

Joeyboey

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Sorry but some decisions today were just plain fucking stupid.

After not giving Lamela a sniff in the league, AVB goes and gives him 90 minutes in the toughest away fixture this season.

After not giving Adebayor a sniff and making it plain obvious he has a problem with him, he then turns to him in his hour of need.

Leaving Andros Townsend out of a game where counter attacking at speed would have been one of our greatest assets.

Playing Paulinho ahead of Dembele, who is often outstanding alongside Sandro and more combative against the likes of Toure and Fernandinho.

Just completely perplexed!
 

Spurger King

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People who keep saying 'don't panic' can't have seen most of our games this year. We have been average at very best in every single game. The defensive record was a myth thanks to luck and poor opposition. Forget the top 4 for a minute, I just don't want to feel so depressed every time I watch us play.

Spot on. In many of our games the opposition created more clear-cut chances than we did. Hull in both games for example.
 

MiamiYiddo

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Sorry but some decisions today were just plain fucking stupid.

After not giving Lamela a sniff in the league, AVB goes and gives him 90 minutes in the toughest away fixture this season.

After not giving Adebayor a sniff and making it plain obvious he has a problem with him, he then turns to him in his hour of need.

Leaving Andros Townsend out of a game where counter attacking at speed would have been one of our greatest assets.

Playing Paulinho ahead of Dembele, who is often outstanding alongside Sandro and more combative against the likes of Toure and Fernandinho.

Just completely perplexed!

Spot on!
 

ibbz

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Sorry but some decisions today were just plain fucking stupid.

After not giving Lamela a sniff in the league, AVB goes and gives him 90 minutes in the toughest away fixture this season.

After not giving Adebayor a sniff and making it plain obvious he has a problem with him, he then turns to him in his hour of need.

Leaving Andros Townsend out of a game where counter attacking at speed would have been one of our greatest assets.

Playing Paulinho ahead of Dembele, who is often outstanding alongside Sandro and more combative against the likes of Toure and Fernandinho.

Just completely perplexed!

AVB is a perplexation (if such a word exists).
Common sense dictates that an away team will come set up to play Deep and tight against City, denying them space , keeping their forwards quiet and keeping a solid shape - hit them on the break, take advantage of their not great defence - AVB decides to play a high line, pass stupidly across the back, pass back to the keeper - leaving gaps, and being completely and utterly fucking retarded about it by unable to change anythin
 

Gaz_Gammon

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The word is faltering... and to answer your question not both times. Happy?

Jol managed 5th with a much worse team so don't get carried away with 'Arry's 'all conquering' exploits. AVB got the highest points tally which was more than the 3rd team got last time out hence my comment about other teams' faltering.

Don't be acting all fixated on 'Arry and try to justify hounding AVB out this early in the season. Give him time and take a chill pill.


How much time would you give him?

If we haven't won a PL game by January? (and that is entirely possible), or give AVB until the end of the season? Is a top five finish the benchmark of success for us?

AVB himself states that CL qualification is the clubs expectation.

You know that if the current sequence of results were reversed then Levy would have had no choice, as we would be at something like seven points in eight games (8/24pts?). That my friend like it or not is relegation form.
 
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Gaz_Gammon

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Why people blame individuals is beyond me.
Southampton are doing brilliantly with a team of unknowns and a team of players inferior to ours.
Soldado is a proven world class player, but he is reliant upon Tactics just like the rest of the team.
And AVB cannot work anything out - he's pathetic. Week in week out - game after game the same old predictable tactics which even West Ham with their 4-6-0 worked out and scored 3 goals with.
AVB's tactics make teams like Sheriff and Hull look very strong defensively.

The Soldier has since 2008 scored 88 goals in 161 League games for Getafe and Valencia.

He isn't gone off the boil, he isn't lost his touch, he isn't lost the desire. Something deep, deep down should be telling us it just could be our tactical genius misunderstanding his talent, just like he did with Ade last season who scored just 5 in 25, but 17 in 33 the season before.

Seems like there is a pattern to this..................i just cannot fathom out where the route cause is pointing to yet. But i am getting warm i think.
 
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truebluespur

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Please!!! He let their players ghost past him like he wasn't there and kept trying some step-overs that never came off.

Yeah sure, I agree, but when you lose 6 nil not one player is at fault, the whole team as a collective is at fault, and definitely the manager too, probably even more so.

I don't like singling out players, but in this case lets have a look at Lennon... was he even on the field in the second half? Dawson to me seemed like he was marking air... And the way Vertonghen approached the ball for their 6th goal was either plain lazy, or he just couldn't give a stuff.

Everyone was shit. Sandro, Walker and Lamela though not as shit as the others.

We have serious problems at Spurs. There's a stinky stench emanating from this team at the moment and it comes from management and filters out into the players.

These aren't crap footballers. Sure not all of them are world beaters, but f**k me we have some good players, and they're all playing like shit - that unfortunately is the managers fault. If one or two players were playing bad, sure, you can point the finger at them, but not in this case, it must be pointed directly at AVB.

I say unfortunately because I really want AVB to succeed. I'm still hoping he will, but we have big problems, and confidence will be even lower now...
 

CrazyHeart

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I think this is a masterful plan by AVB! He's losing deliberately to give the top teams a false sense of complacency... and right when they think they're cruising... that's when the day of the dog begins! Go Spurs!
 

millsey

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Yeah sure, I agree, but when you lose 6 nil not one player is at fault, the whole team as a collective is at fault, and definitely the manager too, probably even more so.

I don't like singling out players, but in this case lets have a look at Lennon... was he even on the field in the second half? Dawson to me seemed like he was marking air... And the way Vertonghen approached the ball for their 6th goal was either plain lazy, or he just couldn't give a stuff.

Everyone was shit. Sandro, Walker and Lamela though not as shit as the others.

We have serious problems at Spurs. There's a stinky stench emanating from this team at the moment and it comes from management and filters out into the players.

These aren't crap footballers. Sure not all of them are world beaters, but f**k me we have some good players, and they're all playing like shit - that unfortunately is the managers fault. If one or two players were playing bad, sure, you can point the finger at them, but not in this case, it must be pointed directly at AVB.

I say unfortunately because I really want AVB to succeed. I'm still hoping he will, but we have big problems, and confidence will be even lower now...
Lemela was probably the shittest on the pitch. What good thing did he do and how many times did he try to go past someone with a trick and fail. 30 million, embarrassing
 

CrazyHeart

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Lemela was probably the shittest on the pitch. What good thing did he do and how many times did he try to go past someone with a trick and fail. 30 million, embarrassing

C'mon... go easy on the kid - he's still figuring out what defences here respond to and what elements of his vast repertoire of skills are applicable. Think of Jurassic Park - the T-Rexes tried the various electrified fences for weaknesses, but they never attacked the same fence twice. It was Lamela's first 90 in a league match that saw extraordinary events unfold - not unlike the system failures at Jurassic Park. In the end, along with the help of hand-picked experts, John Hammond was able to flee the island and put necessary safeguards in place to avoid such a catastrophic scenario again. And no, before you guys bring up Isla Sorna - that was a different Island off the coast of Costa Rica. So, what can we conclude from all of this? AVB is John Hammond.
 

ohtottenham!

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C'mon... go easy on the kid - he's still figuring out what defences here respond to and what elements of his vast repertoire of skills are applicable. Think of Jurassic Park - the T-Rexes tried the various electrified fences for weaknesses, but they never attacked the same fence twice. It was Lamela's first 90 in a league match that saw extraordinary events unfold - not unlike the system failures at Jurassic Park. In the end, along with the help of hand-picked experts, John Hammond was able to flee the island and put necessary safeguards in place to avoid such a catastrophic scenario again. And no, before you guys bring up Isla Sorna - that was a different Island off the coast of Costa Rica. So, what can we conclude from all of this? AVB is John Hammond.

While all this is going on...AVB is innocently taking a dump in the Jurassic toilet...

 

ohtottenham!

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Dude that's Dawson, who got chewed up in their attack! The T-Rex was played by Luis Suarez in a rare Hollywood appearance!
No, it's AVB who's on the can fearing for his life. The movie's being shown at the plush SC Odeon, and some of the audience are screaming for T-Rex to savage him right now; some are requesting he be allowed to at least finish his dump; and the rest would like to see him actually survive the movie, but probably not to feature in any sequel.
 

chookz

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Entertaining football not your bag then?

Entertaining football is good but so is winning. I would rather win the league with lot of one nils that come 5th winning games 4-3 while losing others 5-4. We lost a world class player each of the last two seasons and replaced them with players that are much like what we already have. Our players this season have more solidity about them than tricks and flicks and we still need to work on movement. Give them time.
 

chookz

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How much time would you give him?

If we haven't won a PL game by January? (and that is entirely possible), or give AVB until the end of the season? Is a top five finish the benchmark of success for us?

AVB himself states that CL qualification is the clubs expectation.

You know that if the current sequence of results were reversed then Levy would have had no choice, as we would be at something like seven points in eight games (8/24pts?). That my friend like it or not is relegation form.

If he doesn't get top four or is so far off the pace come January he could be sacked, but while he is still at the helm, moaning and groaning about it is almost pointless. We can discuss in hindsight what he could have done all day but people suggesting there is a manager that will turn these lot into the equivalent of world beating Harlem Globetrotters overnight need to think hard what/who they are asking for.
 

chookz

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Yeah sure, I agree, but when you lose 6 nil not one player is at fault, the whole team as a collective is at fault, and definitely the manager too, probably even more so.

I don't like singling out players, but in this case lets have a look at Lennon... was he even on the field in the second half? Dawson to me seemed like he was marking air... And the way Vertonghen approached the ball for their 6th goal was either plain lazy, or he just couldn't give a stuff.

Everyone was shit. Sandro, Walker and Lamela though not as shit as the others.

We have serious problems at Spurs. There's a stinky stench emanating from this team at the moment and it comes from management and filters out into the players.

These aren't crap footballers. Sure not all of them are world beaters, but f**k me we have some good players, and they're all playing like shit - that unfortunately is the managers fault. If one or two players were playing bad, sure, you can point the finger at them, but not in this case, it must be pointed directly at AVB.

I say unfortunately because I really want AVB to succeed. I'm still hoping he will, but we have big problems, and confidence will be even lower now...

You make valid points. I however did not single out Lamela and say he was the reason why we lost. The point is that many people were bashing Townsend saying he needs to make way for Lamela like that was the answer to our creative/goal scoring woes.
 

chookz

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Sorry but some decisions today were just plain fucking stupid.

After not giving Lamela a sniff in the league, AVB goes and gives him 90 minutes in the toughest away fixture this season.

After not giving Adebayor a sniff and making it plain obvious he has a problem with him, he then turns to him in his hour of need.

Leaving Andros Townsend out of a game where counter attacking at speed would have been one of our greatest assets.

Playing Paulinho ahead of Dembele, who is often outstanding alongside Sandro and more combative against the likes of Toure and Fernandinho.

Just completely perplexed!

All this in hindsight. Had we won you'll be waxing lyrical about AVB's tactical nous. It is a game.. and one we were not expecting to win. Last time I checked, people were screaming for Lamela to play in this game and how we need to bring Adebayor back in the fold. Same thing happened at the West Ham game where people were talking up Defoe as the best natural finisher. When people don't take their chance they deserved to be dropped. If away at Man City doesn't fire a player up I don't know what will. We should be taking the game to them not passing back to the keeper in the first 5 seconds of the game against a team that will press every inch of space and force errors.
 
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