Manchester City Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[milli.com]

I think Avb is making the same mistakes that he did at chelsea.

1) Why allow Bae to go on loan to Qpr, even though he is totally unfit you can see he has more quality than any of our left backs. Our best Cb has been saying for over a year that he is not a Lb, and you can see he is losing heart, dangerous in football.( The footballing gods work funny D rose out for a few months )

2) I remember when Rooney was saying he wanted to leave fergie did,nt care if he can do a job he will play.
In contrast Avb has dealt with Ade wrong, put the best of the team first before personnel decisions.
All he had to do was give him some game time, not make it obvious there,s a personnel issue. Not bring him on at the etihad 3 nil down thats desperate.

3) Dembele might be frustrating but it must be demoralising for him to see Eriksen, Holtby ahead of him.
Alex ferguson said once you could be the best coach in the world but if you have rubbish players its impossible.
Now Dembele is making a few noises that he wants to play. It,s simple Forget about all these weak players the midfield 3 should be from Sandro, Capoue, Paulinho and Dembele for hard matches especially away from home.

4) I know Dawson has heart but against world class players and the way we want to play its obvious he will get found out that lack of pace and lack of quality on the ball is a disaster waiting to happen before people want to slaughter me I,m not saying it was his fault I,m just saying Avb is not playing to his strengths

Me personally I thought that the team he picked were,nt bad but I would of played Dembele instead of holtby and I would of played the romanian defender instead of Dawson and lamela/townsend toss of a coin. You can,t carry passengers everyone needs to standup and be counted.
In football you can see who is comfortable with the ball and who is not.


AVB STOP PLAYING ABOUT PLAY THE BEST PLAYERS FIND A SYSTEM FOR THEM NOT FOR THE RUBBISH ONES,
AND YOU CANT BRING INTO MANY PLAYERS AT ONCE USE THE NUCLEUS OF LAST YEAR TEAM AND ADD MAYBE 3/4 MAX PER GAME.

 

[Wolf_Autopsy]

Rewatched the highlights a few times..funny to see how most of those goals were because of a bad lloris clearance, which resulted because of a bad decision to pass back under pressure from Man City.

The fact AVB didn't see this early, and make the proper adjustments is his own fault. If we were getting outpressured that much from the get-go, clearly the midfield needed to be adjusted to give us more time on the ball. Also..this lineup issue has been going on for too long..I'm honestly shocked that Capuoe gets so little playtime. He had some of the best defensive stats in the french league, in every aspect..he's a big, solid dude that knows how to intercept the ball and break up play. Paulinho's only chance of the game, and he hoofs it...He's a great player, but for a team like Man City (with the best attacking force in the league right now), we needed some solid players to control the flow of the game.

This game seemed to be more of the typical safe play by AVB, both by the typical line-up, and the tactics themselves..I honestly can't believe how many goals were scored simply because we were too thick and constantly kept passing back

 

[Dembele'Disciple]

Can someone tell me why we're masquerading as a possession side despite having powerful midfielders and very few world class technicians?

 

[TTID]

Positivity breeds positivity.

I dont want to be a typical football fan who cries when it goes bad and cheers when it comes good.

Look at all the arsenal fans who wanted wenger out at the begginning of this season and thought aaron ramsey should be sold during last season. How stupid do they all feel now?

We have half a new team and it can take time for it all to come good, which hopefully it will. Having patience can be a good thing and while we are still with in touching distance of where we want to be I dont think it is time to panic.

Wether or not Bale papered over the cracks, we lost him and he was a massive part of our team (by the way he has said many times how AVB got the best out of him). Look how long it took arsenal to recover after losing Cesc, nasri van persie etc. We have lost Modric, van der vaart and Bale and replacing them was never going to happen over night, but at least the club went out and made the signings to try and speed up the process.

Nothing is lost yet.

 

[Paceyjg]

Entertaining football is good but so is winning. I would rather win the league with lot of one nils that come 5th winning games 4-3 while losing others 5-4. We lost a world class player each of the last two seasons and replaced them with players that are much like what we already have. Our players this season have more solidity about them than tricks and flicks and we still need to work on movement. Give them time.

You seem to refuse to see what is in front of your own eyes!

No doubt you will be one of the last ones to come round, it will of course be a bit late by then.

I expect you will also blindly buy into the next manager that is paraded in front of you.

 

[walworthyid]

I'm entering that dangerous 'don't really care anymore' stage, which is one above the 'secretly hope we lose so the manager gets sacked' stage.

Been there a few times. I did it with Graham, Gross and Hoddle.

 

[millsey]

Same old fans then. We are still only 4 points off second, and we want the manager sacked. Amazing

 

[cozzo]

Same old fans then. We are still only 4 points off second, and we want the manager sacked. Amazing

A 6-0 hammering does it to you

 

[millsey]

A 6-0 hammering does it to you

Ageed, buy Scum got hit 7.2 by utd a couple of years back, Utd lost 6-2 to city, and they recovered, We have to do the same. We have to change the current line up and get it right. It was always going to take time to bed in the new players because we dont know which is our best 11 who works best together

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

If he doesn't get top four or is so far off the pace come January he could be sacked, but while he is still at the helm, moaning and groaning about it is almost pointless. We can discuss in hindsight what he could have done all day but people suggesting there is a manager that will turn these lot into the equivalent of world beating Harlem Globetrotters overnight need to think hard what/who they are asking for.

I don't think any Spurs fan seriously thinks that we are capable of winning the PL, under almost any manager that we can idealistically get. The reason as far as i can determine for AVB being brought in was to better the sides finishing position and he has been quoted that CL qualification his is goal first and foremost.

I believe that i am correct in saying that the previous manager took Spurs to CL qualification in his second full season? Considering that he took over the previous October i think that AVB should get two seasons to prove that he is meeting those minimum requirements. I am no Redknapp fan (but liked the way we played under him) and are merely stating the achievements made by the previous manager, time frame, and from what i understand are the new managers minimum aims set by the main board. Nothing else.

Without any "moaning and groaning" why have SC?

You know little about football culture if you expect to go onto a supporters website and read glowing tributes week in week out irrespective of if the team wins, loses or draws. Is that not part of the attraction of football itself. I also think that any fan, season ticket holder or fair paying supporter has the right to voice and opinion, and that no manager should be made an exception to a fans criticism.

 

[chookz]

I don't think any Spurs fan seriously thinks that we are capable of winning the PL, under almost any manager that we can idealistically get. The reason as far as i can determine for AVB being brought in was to better the sides finishing position and he has been quoted that CL qualification his is goal first and foremost.

I believe that i am correct in saying that the previous manager took Spurs to CL qualification in his second full season? Considering that he took over the previous October i think that AVB should get two seasons to prove that he is meeting those minimum requirements. I am no Redknapp fan (but liked the way we played under him) and are merely stating the achievements made by the previous manager, time frame, and from what i understand are the new managers minimum aims set by the main board. Nothing else.

Without any "moaning and groaning" why have SC?

You know little about football culture if you expect to go onto a supporters website and read glowing tributes week in week out irrespective of if the team wins, loses or draws. Is that not part of the attraction of football itself. I also think that any fan, season ticket holder or fair paying supporter has the right to voice and opinion, and that no manager should be made an exception to a fans criticism.

You make a lot of sense and yes I do understand that moaning and groaning is part and parcel of the culture. However, it is all based on hindsight with lots of armchair pundits singing their 'shoulda woulda coulda' songs when they were quite happy with the team sheet on the day. I like talking about permutations and combinations too but not in a way that makes it seem like AVB is clueless and I know it all, as the main stuff people were asking for has played out and it didn't really make a difference. Agreed the team need to be more attacking but I am not sure AVB tells them to make silly back passes to the keeper.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

You make a lot of sense and yes I do understand that moaning and groaning is part and parcel of the culture. However, it is all based on hindsight with lots of armchair pundits singing their 'shoulda woulda coulda' songs when they were quite happy with the team sheet on the day. I like talking about permutations and combinations too but not in a way that makes it seem like AVB is clueless and I know it all, as the main stuff people were asking for has played out and it didn't really make a difference. Agreed the team need to be more attacking but I am not sure AVB tells them to make silly back passes to the keeper.

Here is something that i hope makes you realise (no offence meant) what a mess we really are in:

I would like to see this pinned, not to the players changing room door but to the door marked:

D.Levy
Chairman

 

[chookz]

Here is something that i hope makes you realise (no offence meant) what a mess we really are in:

We are in a mess. Keep.... the faith though. That's all you can do. Worry never made anything better. We Are Mighty Spurs From The Lane!!!!! COYS!!!

 

[riggi]

Tottenham don't have the balls to come back like manu.

 

[millsey]

Tottenham don't have the balls to come back like manu.

Or Rooney and Van Persie up front

 

[Toela65]

The same lolpool we beat to Dempsey, sigs and Eriksn and have been above the last four years? The lolpool in Liverpool? Players give two fucks to history and you talk s........

I agree with your basic premise but the record show show that we never wanted Eriksen and put all our eggs in Mkhitaryan and Willian shaped basket.

 

[Spurger King]

I agree with your basic premise but the record show show that we never wanted Eriksen and put all our eggs in Mkhitaryan and Willian shaped basket.

I think Eriksen would have done well at Liverpool. Certainly better than Willian (I haven't seen enough of Mkhitaryan to judge).

Not that you need him. Very impressed by Liverpool so far this season.

 

[playboypaul]

He did it last season albeit with outstanding personnel *cough* Bale. Chelsea didn't give him time.

You think we played good football last season? We were dog shit last season and have been this season, difference being we had Bale to save our skins more often than not.

Admittedly we have conceded a lot fewer goals this season in general, Citeh and Wham excluded but I think that's more so to do with the fact that teams just let us keep the ball, passing it to and fro along our back-line where we can do them no harm and the brilliance of Lloris when we have been got behind.

The Citeh game has showed us that against the clinical sides who get a few opportunities and are able to take them we go to pot.

AV is too stubborn. He wont change as far as I can see but hoped to be proved wrong.

 

[spurs_girl_tasha]

Did anyone watch the tunnel cam after the game. Poor Daws looked like he was about to cry.

 

[TorontoYid]

His tactics worked well at Porto but we don't have the right kind of striker to play that lone attacker role. That requires somebody like Hulk who just happened to be at Porto.......