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Martin Jol, Big in Germany

Discussion in 'Spurscommunity Front Page News' started by BelsizeSpur, Apr 9, 2009.

  • by BelsizeSpur, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:23 PM
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    Put another Euro in the juke-box, baby: Germany loves Martin Jol. The standard line of German comedy – our only line, some might say – is to poke fun at Dutch camper van drivers who clog up the Autobahn. Jol is currently proving a similarly immovable but much more popular object. Turn on the TV, and he's there, in his baseball cap and XXL tracksuit, making good use of the 16:9 format, grinning contentedly and cracking one of his dry, sardonic jokes. (The other week, when Schalke striker Jefferson Farfán and HSV keeper Frank Rost got entangled in the net and on top of each other, he said the scene reminded him of a film he'd seen the night before.)

    Look at any newspaper and you'll find gushing tributes to the 53-year-old's work, framed by sycophantic Martin Jol Q&A pieces and flattering quotes from players/officials. "He has a good philosophy and great eye for analysis," says German international Marcell Jansen, for example. "And he's very honest."

    Jol has been around long enough not to take the adulation too seriously. "Fans want to experience success," he said. "When you give it to them, they like you. But that can change in an instant, too. It's important to keep your feet on the ground." His calm and coolness have rubbed off on the club. Jol's greatest achievement – apart from making HSV serious Meisterschaft contenders, getting them into the semi-final of the German Cup and into the last eight of an international competition for the first time since 1983, the year they won the European Cup – was to bring an incredible sense of stability to a team who have undergone yet another drastic change in the summer.

    Hamburg, a former powerhouse of European football who are currently being rebuilt, having once again sold some of their best players and brought in a shipload of cheaper alternatives. It's the Tottenham business model, if you will, but without the collateral damage: this side are packed with young, gifted players such as Piotr Trochowski, Mladen Petric or Jansen, who would shine everywhere. And despite a list of injuries as long and tedious as a Hera Lind novel (don't ask), "the team have always found a solution this season", according to the manager. Well, he has.

    Depending on late fitness tests for striker Paolo Guerrero and utility man Colin Benjamin, Hamburg might be without 11 players tonight against Manchester City. It's been like that all season. Personnel and formations have been in constant flux but, as Namibian Benjamin says, "a musketeer mentality" within the squad and the meticulous preparation by Jol have achieved consistently good results. "I've got a good team in my head for the match on Thursday," Jol said.

    The northerners don't need to remind themselves of their manager's 100% record against City in the Premier League – he won all six games while at Spurs – to feel bullish. The Croatian international Petric thinks that "City aren't a team we need to hide from". "There is a lot of euphoria and that's a good thing", added sporting director Dietmar Beiersdorfer. President Bernd Hoffmann said he could "smell" a sense of festivity emanating from the HSH Nordbank Arena pitch.

    Jol's success with attacking, fast-paced football will surely encourage more Bundesliga clubs to look abroad when it comes to management. No one queries his big staff, including a dedicated technical coach, anymore. His most important employee is not even on the club's payroll. Jol personally provides for his brother Cornelis "Cock" Jol, 55, who works as his assistant and lives with him in the beautiful riverside house Jol bought when he took the Hamburg job. The two meet every morning with their partners for coffee in the kitchen; their evenings are spent watching and discussing the game.

    Martin might dress like janitor but the German press have discovered a veritable renaissance man behind the scruffy exterior. Jol, a property millionaire who is said to own 40 houses in Den Haag, has talked at length about his vast art collection and his Calvinist upbringing: his mother didn't allow football nor trips to the beach on Sundays. Süddeutsche Zeitung revealed that the Jols have been a famous family in their birthplace of Scheveningen for more than 400 years. There is a Cornelis Jol Street in the small coastal town, named after an ancestor who was a feared buccaneer. His nickname was Houtebeen, wooden leg.

    Martin Jol, it seems, is equally happy to risk a limb or two in the line of duty. "I would give my little finger for success," he told Abendblatt. Odds are, there will be blood.

    I love Martin Jol, and I like to think that he would love me (but I'm needy that way).
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Discussion in 'Spurscommunity Front Page News' started by BelsizeSpur, Apr 9, 2009.

  1. roosh
    I know some people are sick of hearing about Martin Jol, and fans pining for his return. But seriously, what an absolutely monumental fcuking balls up it was to get rid of him. I seriously do hope the fans that turned on him are able to realise this, not for any self-righteous, I told you so reason, but for the good of our club. We need to learn from that catastophe if we are to move on from it.

    Lets just hope we can get him back before he takes the United job, when Fergie retires.
  2. lishiyo
    i'm still hoping we can get him back after harry's contract ends in two seasons; he'll get more experience fighting at the very top of the bundesliga, plus very likely some CL experience. now that comolli's gone hopefully levy has learned his lesson and will promise him complete control over his own team, and we will treat him better next time
  3. BringBack_leGin
    I'm very happy for him that he is experiencing success, but I still do not regret his debarture. The manner of it, yes, but his departure made sense to me at the time. Maybe subsequent decisions were incorrect, but that does not change the fact that there was a reason for which he had to go. I know I'm going to get slated to the moon and back for saying this, but he was repeating the same mistakes time after time and they were becoming more frequent.
  4. Legacy
    I love Martin Jol and will be forever thankful for what he did for this club while he was here. He made Spurs a respected club that I was proud to be a part of. I never loved Spurs more than those two seasons he was in charge, and I think a tiny part of my love for the club died when he left.

    But, saying that, I don't know if I want him back. I have such amazingly fond memories of his time here, and I wouldn't want them ruined by an unsuccessful return, if things weren't to work out as well for him the second time around.

    Conversely, he could also turn out to be the catalyst the club needed to push itself up into Champion's League contention.

    In other words, I'm unsure. :p
  5. topspur
    Perhaps another that D. Levy/H. Redknapp will bring back?
  6. fazthfc
    Look MJ is a legend for the vast majority of Spurs fans. I love him and im sure he loves me. At the start of the 07/08 season I was more than happy with him and was angry with how the club stabbed him in the back. For me that was the changing point, the lure of Juande Ramos plus the dip in form and, as BBLG says, the repetition of mistakes made me believe that he wasn't the man to take us to the 'next level'. He was sacked, I was grateful for everything he did for us, but honestly, I thought we would push on with Ramos. It didn't work out and now Jol is showing he is a top manager, 2nd in the Bundesliga, semi-final of the German cup and, after tonights result, one foot in the semi-final of the UEFA Cup, with, as the article highlights, limited resouces throughout the season.

    If Kemsley never went to see Ramos in the first place we could well have had more success over the last couple years, we could have had less. Kemsley went, and the rest is history, as is Jol.

    Right now, we need stability, we need at least 2 seasons with Resknapp, he's our manager, he's doing a good job. Jol ain't coming back soon, I thank him, I will support every team he manages (unless they're playing against us) and I wish him all the success in the world. But guys and girls, we need to move on. We need to stop thinking about what might have happened if he stayed and what might happen if he returns. We have 'Arry and we're moving in the right direction. For me that's the end of the stroy.
  7. mawspurs
    I'm happy with the job that Harry is currently doing, but when he steps down I'd take Jol back in a heartbeat.

    With the experience he is gaining at Hamburg he would come back an even better manager than before.

    For now we need stability and should stick with Harry until his contract is up at least.
  8. PT
    If we kept the same structure as Harry Redknapp has insisted upon - no DOF - then I reckon Jol could break free of the reigns that held him back from actually getting the players that he had personally identified he wanted.
  9. spurs_viola
    The big plus for Jol now is that he seems to have learned from the lessons he had at Spurs. Even at 3-1, Hamburg continue to attack with midfielders supporting forwards, and with fast attacking full backs; the substitutions are not "too little too late" more often than not; he may be more open minded about not sticking with his favourite player(s) whatever form they are in.

    Hamburg players may well be more skillful, versatile and professional than many of Spurs players were under Jol - which has helped him a lot too, of course.
  10. Sanj
    Maybe the same mistakes were repeated due to not having the staff he wanted at his disposal, and the fact he had 'lesser quality' players thrust upon him at the stage we were really looking to kick on and challenge for the top 4.
  11. striebs
    Harry is doing a really great job for us but eventually the long journey to work is going to take it's toll on his effectiveness or even make him call it a day .

    I want us to stick with Harry for as long as he is really happy here but cannot see him hacking the travel for long .


    I love BMJ and want to remember him the way he was and don't want him to come back because it could not exceed the great times we had under him .


    Even though I don't want him to come back I am bitterly disappointed that we will never know for sure how good it could have been if Levy had backed Jol over Comolli .

    Throwing it all away when we were so close is just so Tottenham .

    We can only hope Enic have acknowledged their mistakes and don't repeat them .
  12. grittyspur1
    ."..he's got no hair,.....but I don't care....."
    Long live Martin Jol, a true gentleman and and Tottenham man to the core. A classic coach and truly funny man. We'll miss him but I enjoyed the ride.
  13. adwanhussein
    Jol is a very capable manager and with the charisma of an Obama or a John Lennon.Yes ,he left fond memories for all Spurs fans .Great success story at WHL.Overachieving. and almost a four place finish with players who cost the club nothing in terms of money.The tragedy about Jol's tenure at WHL is the backstabbing and the self inflicted wound inflicted by the management.His decisios for change of players against Chelsea have been over played by fans on this site.Berba was suffering from groin injury ,and thus the need to take him out of the game.I watched Hamburg last night and they were outstanding.Best of luck Jol,and best of luck for Harry,another outstanding manager.
  14. roosh
    Don't get my earlier post wrong. I am delighted with the Job Harry is doing, and I think he was just the sort of manager we needed, when we got him, and I want him to stay for the next 4-5yrs if it works out that way, purely because we need that type of stability.

    I just hope that no other premiership team comes in for Jol in the meantime, like United, because it is rare when you can identify who you want to manage the team, after the current incumbent steps down (of his own accord), when you are happy with the progress he is making.
  15. Coyboy
    Jol compared to Obama...I love it. Yes we can!!
  16. Frozen_Waffles
    Just watching him on Sky Sports news, he is a still a true great, and it will be sad when we see him take over at a top club and starts playing champions league football on a regular basis, which is inevitable with a top manager like him.

    We had it all and threw it away and i now we have Harry, a good manager who will sort us out for the time being.

    I just cannot bring the same passion i once brought to Spurs though as i dont respect the way the team is run or the manager in charge, it all smells of desperation.
  17. Boaman
    Yeah I miss Jol, he was fantastic for us and it always makes me wonder what might have been had he had the correct backing - just imagine the team he could have assembled given the transfer budgets both Ramos and Redknapp have had?

    However, I'm happy with Redknapp and the job he's doing and the players he's signed so I'm not looking beyond that for now. If Jol wins the Bundesliga and has sustained success in Germany we should snap him up when the Redknapp era finishes as I do believe a prerequiste for managing Tottenham is that you have to have won something. Like HR

    Good article Belsizespur, appreciate you posting that and enjoyed reading it.
  18. pistolP

    :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
  19. glenda
    big martin was in full Tony Soprano mode last nite,ps Hamburg have a beautiful stadium.still im happy with harry.

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