Martin Jol: The Inside Story

[Rocksuperstar]

Yes !!

did...


...did you just cum?

:shrug:

 

[eddiebailey]

Here's an example - You're seeing a girl ...and the minute you open your mouth to complain that you've been treated unfairly, then you're obviously a bitter **** who should just walk away and leave their pride smeared across the floor.

No.

F*ck that,

Interesting example, and told with real feeling Eek

 

[Gilzeanking]

Yep , Jol should be able to cash in further on his Spurs connection .He's only had a 4 mill payoff so needs a few bob .

No , Fair enough , but people should remember that EVERY manager (bar a coupla per cent) get sacked .Its no big deal and is part of the cut and thrust of the very well paid territory .

However , we are Spurs fans and we don't really want anything to negatively affect our club , so lets hope this book won't do that .

I see there is still a vocal group who believe that the Board haven't strengthened our club with the change of management and consider that they know MORE about MJ's performance behind the scenes than the Board/Levy .

 

[Dougal]

I see there is still a vocal group who believe that the Board haven't strengthened our club with the change of management and consider that they know MORE about MJ's performance behind the scenes than the Board/Levy .

I don’t think this is right at all. We don’t know what happens behind the scenes and may never know. What we do know is that as a PR exercise it was a complete disaster and as Spurs fans who in the previous couple of years had scraped back some pride in the way our club progressed we once again had become the butt of jokes. Living life as a Spurs fan has not been easy for a long time. Jol was very much the public face of our recent upturn in fortune and Levy/Commolli/Kemsley were the public face of the whole ‘Ramosgate’ affair. People react to that. Levy himself received many paudits up to the start of the season but he let it get out of control and in the high position he is in would expect to take some flak for it, hence his previous apologies for the handling of the whole affair. Jol was praised for the dignified way in which he handled the last couple of months of his tenure and is perfectly within his rights to release a book which was already in the pipeline before it, publicly at least, all went wrong.

 

[SpurSince57]

Yep , Jol should be able to cash in further on his Spurs connection .He's only had a 4 mill payoff so needs a few bob .

No , Fair enough, but people should remember that EVERY manager (bar a coupla per cent) get sacked. Its no big deal and is part of the cut and thrust of the very well paid territory.

However, we are Spurs fans and we don't really want anything to negatively affect our club, so lets hope this book won't do that.

I see there is still a vocal group who believe that the Board haven't strengthened our club with the change of management and consider that they know MORE about MJ's performance behind the scenes than the Board/Levy .

No, we don't. Perhaps Levy and Kemsley should have thought about the consequences of Kemsley's being caught in flagrante in Seville. (Or perhaps they did, and being caught was quite deliberate.) Perhaps whoever fed Dragon1 and BEN their 'inside info', and their pals in the media other shit about Jol should have thought about the consequences too. But Daniel 'Pontius Pilate' Levy makes a vague admission that things could have been handled better and then proceeds to absolve himself of all responsibility for the fuck-up this season has become.

We didn't make an offer to Ramos. No, sure we didn't, Daniel. We believe you. Like we believe you and Kemsley smirking at one another like the happy couple at a gay wedding as 'your' club went down to Getafe was just a figment of the collective imagination.

I'm sure the book will be a better read than the 125th Anniversary programme, and it's barely any more expensive. And if it blows the gaff on what's really been going on behind the scenes, so much the better.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

I still find it amazing that fans think this was a PR blunder. The board wanted rid of a popular manager (wrongly IMHO but they make the decisions). Top businessmen do not drop bollox like the one Kelmsley did in Seville meeting Ramos.
I believe it was an orchestrated scheme to undermine Jol and create a ground swell of opinion against him and ultimately unrest..............it worked.
There was a drip feed of info anti and pro Jol and the climate was created.
With regard his book, i'm sure it was in the process of being written long before the sacking and I for one will be interested to read Jol's philosophy's etc on football, he's an articulate guy. I'm sure the crap that went on will certainly add a few sales...............good luck to him, it must be an awful feeling knowing you're being conspired against

 

[SpurSince57]

And what makes his complaint about Jol going behind his back so especially laughable is that the party line is that no approach was made to Ramos in August.

Well, was it or wasn't it? I think we should be told.

 

[SpurSince57]

Yep , Jol should be able to cash in further on his Spurs connection .He's only had a 4 mill payoff so needs a few bob .

No , Fair enough , but people should remember that EVERY manager (bar a coupla per cent) get sacked .Its no big deal and is part of the cut and thrust of the very well paid territory .

However , we are Spurs fans and we don't really want anything to negatively affect our club , so lets hope this book won't do that .

I see there is still a vocal group who believe that the Board haven't strengthened our club with the change of management and consider that they know MORE about MJ's performance behind the scenes than the Board/Levy .

Coming from a self-affirmed signatory to the 'Sugar Out' petition, this is intensely amusing.

And of course anyone who has kicked a football was 100% qualified to slag off Jol's tactics. I'm sure they will be giving Ramos the full benefit of their experience before too much longer.

 

[yiddotilidie]

It was alwats fact :|

Says who?

Kemsley?

 

[Dougal]

Says who?

Kemsley?

Some bloke called Alwat? :shrug:

 

[TheBigMatch]

you hear that she's going around and now saying you have a tiny cock and no friends.

.....these are the real details ...

Sad to hear that Rocksuperstar!Eek


Loved the parable:grin: and the message :clap:.

It is about time Levy dropped the :bs:and admit himself, fatboy, and slim, had personal issues with Jol (non-football) and got randy for Ramos who wasn't ready to leave his old girlfriend and left them standing on edge of the dancefloor while Jol loyally tried to dance a slow set my himself.

All we can hope for now is that Ramos can boogie.

 

[The Apprentice]

At least Big Martin knows if he ever splits up with his wife and fancies some cock jousting, there will be plenty of volunteers in this thread.

 

[Bobishism]

And while you're dating the girl, you slap her about a bit and are lazy in the sack.

Hypothetical based on little or no fact for life.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

As the once mighty Spurs were drowning in icy waters, Martin came along in his yacht, picked everyone up and took them to the shore. He fed them, kept them hydrated and helped nurse them back to health, all the while getting lovely telegrams from the squads owners, saying what a superb job he did, thank loads, etc.

Martin pulled his yacht up to the jetty, everyone got off, then up strolled Levy, Kemsley & Comolli, slapped him about a bit, sank his boat, stuffed a wad of notes into his pocket and told him to f*ck off.

I can't be arsed to argue the point anymore - from a fans point of view there are a couple of facts that can't be ignored - Martin came to the job when we were an underachieving club who were making poor signings and going nowhere. He built a system around the team, centering around one particular player who was then sold for what is now turning out to be not as attractive an amount of cash as it seemed. With Carrick gone, the last 12 months of planning was gone and he had to start again. He couldn't find a replacement, changed the system slightly and, once again, managed to drag a 5th place out of us, even without the instrumental Carrick, or anyone even able to play a similar game, the team was built to revolve around, but a few poor performances, a certain visit to Spain, a bit of pressure from the press and now the man who took us from 9th-14th, to the best of the rest and two 5th place finishes, isn't allowed to speak his voice about what happened, less he get accused of sour grapes.

Here's an example - You're seeing a girl for a few months, and are getting on really well apart from a recent "blip". You hear stories of her mate's slating the shit out of you, and people who don't know you and will never likely ever meet you are telling tales about you that you know are bullshit, then you find out that a few weeks before she was out with some other fella, having a few drinks and a good time. You asked her about it, but he was "just a friend" or "just some bloke", then within a fortnight, you hear that she's going around and now saying you have a tiny cock and no friends.

Knowing that your local and the people you've come to know as friends are now all privvy to these slanderous stories, you attempt to save a little face by saying to all these people, in a similar fashion to the Ex's rather poor conduct surrounding the relationship, that it's bullshit and these are the real details of what went on.

Sadly, those people who were your best friend, the ones wanting to buy you drinks not a fortnight before, slapping you on the back for how happy you guys looked together, etc. have decided that you're not that great and are now all arse-snuffling her new fella. The fact you had some great times with them means nothing now and the minute you open your mouth to complain that you've been treated unfairly, then you're obviously a bitter **** who should just walk away and leave their pride smeared across the floor.

No.

F*ck that, Martin Jol has every right to speak his mind, tell his side of the story as part of his biography and any of you calling him a cock for it really need to think har... well, just think to start with, we can work from there :up:

great post RSS. of course, rep will be coming your way :up:

 

[Stoof]

I still find it amazing that fans think this was a PR blunder. The board wanted rid of a popular manager (wrongly IMHO but they make the decisions). Top businessmen do not drop bollox like the one Kelmsley did in Seville meeting Ramos.

I believe it was an orchestrated scheme to undermine Jol and create a ground swell of opinion against him and ultimately unrest..............it worked.

Top businessmen do drop gaffs like that. And so do some chancers who got lucky on the property market in the last 20 years. Not saying that Kemsley is either one of those *cough* latter *cough* - but I, in no way, give the Board credit for creating an air of disruption. Not to mention that it's completely against any sort of fiduciary duties that the directors have to the shareholders.

With regard his book, i'm sure it was in the process of being written long before the sacking and I for one will be interested to read Jol's philosophy's etc on football, he's an articulate guy. I'm sure the crap that went on will certainly add a few sales...............good luck to him, it must be an awful feeling knowing you're being conspired against

Definitely agreed.

 

[PYiddy]

nothing ill informed at all

if daniel levy says jol touted himself around then jol did

why do i beleive levy?, well it seems very easy for people to beleive every word that ever comes out of jol`s mouth does`nt it, so whats good for the goose etc, etc

so i can not be "ill informed" as you say, because i simply have the same information as you & choose to beleive the chairman instead of our ex manager

secondly to say that you have supported tottenham for 26 years in one breath & in the next say martin jol is the best manager we have had in that time is sheer folly (or tosh).........keith burkinshaw anyone!! (he actually did some winning of silverware whilst manager)

the tosh bit was probably rude, but he is being unjustly rude to daniel levy so balls to him, again whats good for the goose etc,etc

i could go on but there is no point

i suggest rather than slate our chairman we should realise that there are 2 sides to every story & stop slating all together (jol or levy) as it is all in the past

the ignorance of people who just slate levy is so amusing!!

btw terrible post mate, try & add something meaningful to the debate next time!!........(thats rude as well!!)

ok, ill add something then you can come back at me.

When and where did levy say martin openly touted himself around for another job? Cos i must have missed it if he did say it, and obviously he must have said it, otherwise your opinion is just based on idle chit-chat, and im sure someone as insightful and clever as you wouldnt do that.:grin:

 

[sidford]

anyone know why the release of the book seems to have been delayed? no book shop in dublin seems to have it and play.com still has it under 'preorder' even though it was due to be out on 19th

 

[yanno]

anyone know why the release of the book seems to have been delayed? no book shop in dublin seems to have it and play.com still has it under 'preorder' even though it was due to be out on 19th

Publishers are always keen to rush books out for Xmas, but I will be pretty stunned if they manage it.

Let's look at the logistics. Jol was only sacked a couple of weeks ago. The blurb claims he'd been collaborating with Harry Harris for months (maybe years), but their "collaboration" still has to be knocked into a semi-legible manuscript. Plus contributions from the other names mentioned have to be integrated. Then that manuscript has to be cleared by the lawyers, sexed up (or down) by the editor, back to Harris & Jol for final approval, then off to the printers etc etc.

As I say, Xmas seems highly optimistic.

 

[nidge]

I just received my copy. Should make for interesting reading.

 

[Stono]

Don't suppose you own a scanner and .pdh-software?