Mass Protest at the Lane this sunday?

[talkshowhost86]

Most sensible fans are still with Levy and the board so this 'protest' is futile.

What do you base that on?

It sounds tremendously condescending to say 'most sensible fans are with Levy' just because you personally may still be with him.

I personally don't think he's done a bad job at Spurs but I do think that it's time for him to move on now. Does that mean I'm not sensible?

No it means I have a different opinion. I'll admit that a demonstration before the game isn't the way I'd go about it but to say that those who don't agree with you aren't sensible is very condescending IMO.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

How exactly does it hurt? :roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

Well the first thing that springs to mind is that it's going to show any prospective new owner just what a bunch of ****s they will be inheriting.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Well the first thing that springs to mind is that it's going to show any prospective new owner just what a bunch of ****s they will be inheriting.

Yeah people who care about how their club is being run are really ****s aren't they?

Fair enough if you don't agree mate but to mouth off at people because they disagree with you is just infantile.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

the club would be worse off as a whole without levy

 

[stemark44]

Like everyone I am unhappy and disappointed at the performance of the team but Daniel Levy is the last person I would blame for our current demise.
As Chairman of our club he has made us one of the most financially sound clubs in European football and he has given all our managers 100% financial backing for new players - I think someone posted that in the last 4 years we have bought and sold 86 players!
I don't think there is another club in world football that has backed their managers in the transfer market as much as Levy!
The man made a mistake in swapping Ramos for Jol but he did it with the right intentions - like all the fans he wants to see this club become successful in the Premiership and break into the Champions league places and he thought that Ramos was the man to do it!.
I was overjoyed when we signed Ramos and who really could have guessed that things would turn out this bad!
I am shocked at how incompetent a manager he has shown himself to be!

 

[Captain Spur]

I agree and that is why i said he has made mistakes and I am sure he is aware of it. I agree the whole Man Utd and Liverpool fiasco was laughable in teh end but he is trying to do what is right by the club. He could very easily go out and pay ridiculous wages over inflated transfer fees etc and then we woudl be in an even worst position.

As regards the transfers you refer to no one except the board at tottenham know for sure what happenend whether we were 2M out with teh purchase of Arshavin whether it was the wages that were the problem. However given that Comolli is the man charged with the finalising of the transfers it may well be that it is him that was responsible for the mistakes.

Yep I agree as I said I don't want to see us do a Leeds and pay everyone £100K a week, but surely we can stretch it past £50K (as obscene as that sort of money is!) for one or two players.

I appreciate that no one is a fly on the wall at Tottenham. It does make me laugh though when that line ('no one knows what went on') gets trotted out all the time. More than enough comments were made at the time, regarding the Arshavin thing, for there to be more than a slight whiff of truth to it.

If we are to believe other reports Levy tends to handle all thrashing out of transfer fees (or at the very least, someone working within the confines, set by him). So I think you can safely blame Levy and Comolli for the summer forward fiasco. Comolli for maybe not finding enough suitable replacements. Levy for not concluding the deals with the ones muted along with santioning the sales of our previous forward line.

 

[roosh]

Like everyone I am unhappy and disappointed at the performance of the team but Daniel Levy is the last person I would blame for our current demise.
As Chairman of our club he has made us one of the most financially sound clubs in European football and he has given all our managers 100% financial backing for new players - I think someone posted that in the last 4 years we have bought and sold 86 players!
I don't think there is another club in world football that has backed their managers in the transfer market as much as Levy!
The man made a mistake in swapping Ramos for Jol but he did it with the right intentions - like all the fans he wants to see this club become successful in the Premiership and break into the Champions league places and he thought that Ramos was the man to do it!.
I was overjoyed when we signed Ramos and who really could have guessed that things would turn out this bad!
I am shocked at how incompetent a manager he has shown himself to be!

Daniel Levy is exactly the man that should be blamed for our current demise, if not him the ENIC. Either way one or both of them is at fault.

Daniel Levy's intention when signing Ramos was to break into the top 4 immediately. He couldn't wait to tie up the champions league revenue - psooibly bcos the ENIC business plan was to get spurs into the top 4 within a certain time-frame, so they could sell at a huge profit - complete speculation, but not wildly improbable.

demanding this immediate transition to the top 4, and therefore the champions league, showed a complete lack of foresight and inability set realistic goals, regardless of who influenced him.

the inability to see that steady progress was being made, which was a trend in the right direction. There was stability at the club and the foundation was being laid for building real progress. This foundation was ripped out and the stability of the club very much compromised.

I have no doubt that Levy wants spurs to succeed and make the champions league, but I also have no doubt that it is due to the revenue that it would generate.

He fired a manager, whose personal goals were perfectly aligned to that of the organisation - somehting which is almost essential for success, especially in football.
He destabilised the club and set unrealistic, unachievable goals.

These are all massive business blunders that hafe negatively affected our football club. and for those that say he has made us financially stable - look a the falling share price - that argument is also losing a lot of weight

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Yeah people who care about how their club is being run are really ****s aren't they?

Fair enough if you don't agree mate but to mouth off at people because they disagree with you is just infantile.

Who did I mouth off at exactly ?

I merely made what I thought was a very valid point. Do you not think that any prospective new owner is going to look at an angry mob demanding the board be replaced and not think: "that could be us in few months time".


And I love the way I'm accused of "mouthing off" on the subject of a load of people who intend to "mouth off" just because they disagree with the board's running the club. How infantile.

Did you realise you were being ironic ?

 

[g_harry]

This is not the answer, the players really need support on sunday. It has been a key factor the last few seasons at the lane with the crowd getting fully behind the team they have managed to pull out results.

Please get behind the team. If you were a player and you walked out on the pitch with the fans giving their all in support can only help them play better.

We need an atmosphere at the lane to match that against sevilla to drive the team forward.

Have faith things will turn around.

 

[Max_Junglie]

Hopefully any protest will at be conducted in the right way - i.e. confined to before / halftime / after the game - during the game the focus should be entirely on the players. Of course, now it's been touted about by the media it's too late, if we go behind the first thing on many fan's lips will be "Sack the board".

I don't think a protest will necessarily have much impact on a potential new owner - if it were the case that a protest was happening simply because we'd had a bad start, then I think it would be offputting. But there's a whole string of events that have bought us to this point, and Jolgate generated a lot of bad feeling towards the club and the board in particular.

 

[Kendall]

What do you base that on?

It sounds tremendously condescending to say 'most sensible fans are with Levy' just because you personally may still be with him.

I personally don't think he's done a bad job at Spurs but I do think that it's time for him to move on now. Does that mean I'm not sensible?

No it means I have a different opinion. I'll admit that a demonstration before the game isn't the way I'd go about it but to say that those who don't agree with you aren't sensible is very condescending IMO.

Nail on head, you're mental. That is a total knee jerk. 7 years of solid progress and thisis the first real massive hiccup.

Not what I usually expect from you TSH, you're usually level-headed in your view and look at the big picture, not the last 6-12 months.

 

[roosh]

Nail on head, you're mental. That is a total knee jerk. 7 years of solid progress and thisis the first real massive hiccup.

Not what I usually expect from you TSH, you're usually level-headed in your view and look at the big picture, not the last 6-12 months.

This is the first massive hiccup? why was Jol fired last season so?
The thing is, it has been a series of major hiccups that has lead to this massive one. Spurs were succeeding in spite of Levy not because of him.
He's sold our most essential personnel over the last 4 years, from players to manager. And now it has all come to a head.

Fair play to him for making money available for players, but thats a bit like saying that a keeper is a good shot stopper, because that is the very least he can do, and in fact the easiest thing he can do.

there is quite evidently a policy at the club, of buying players that will have a re-sale value, either in excess of their cost, or at least close to their cost. this has come from the top down, not Commolli or Ramos, but Levy.

what exactly has Levy done right over the last 5yrs?

 

[Kendall]

Made us a financial powerhouse able to buy the kinds of players we'd never have thought of (I still remember Jason Dozzell and Ruel Fox) and compete in europe consistently.

Yes we're having a bad time of it at the moment, but why does that mean somebody's head must come off?

 

[CosmicHotspur]

A protest like this just isn't the answer to anything and certainly won't boost the morale of the team.

Yes, we're all frustrated with the situation but the situation we're in has arisen due to a number of unfortunate factors and circumstances and the blame can't be laid at one particular door.

At a time like this, we need to be 100% behind the club and the players to try to help turn things around.

 

[Krafty]

I'll be getting behind the team during the game, then either crying or rejoicing after it. Unless the board is corrupt, I wont be protesting. I think the players are more responsible than the board. Maybe the protestors could have a word with them as they drive out in their ferraris and porsches

 

[spursgirls]

I for one hope we raise the roof with our support of the team on Sunday.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Made us a financial powerhouse able to buy the kinds of players we'd never have thought of (I still remember Jason Dozzell and Ruel Fox) and compete in europe consistently.

Yes we're having a bad time of it at the moment, but why does that mean somebody's head must come off?

No Kendall it is those of us that appreciate the fact that this current board have changed this club from top to bottom for the better that are infantile apparently. Where once we were scrapping for the Leonardsons and Nethercots we now buy Berbatovs. Pavlyuchenkos, Huttons, Woodgates, Modric, Dos Santos's.

Where once we lost money every year, we now are the 10-15th most profitable club in the world. Enabling us to compete for the above players.

And for those that still harp on about Jol, progress is replacing a manager who won nothing with one who won something. Whose to say with Jol in charge we wouldn't have gone down last year.

This is so typical of football lemmings. Lets forget everything good that's happened over the last 4-5 years. The team isn't getting the results it deserves over the last couple of months so we all want to stomp our feet and chuck our dummies out because that is bound to make the team win on sunday and every game hence forth.


Does it ever occur to the same dimwitted lemmings that they dont exactly do their bit most weeks. I mean we are a right moany bunch of wankers most of the time aren't we. We rarely create a great atmosphere, first sign of things going against us in a game we all clam up and start whinging and booing. Take Hull for example. The team played it's heart out, what did we do ? that's right we fucking booed our hearts out at half time and full time. Great big help. Try watching Pompey. They get behind their lot no matter what, especially when the chips are down.

What all the angry muppets should do is channel that energy into cheering their bollocks off for 90 mins on sunday. It just might help more than saving it for the car park afterwoods.

Sometimes I think we are getting exactly what we deserve. We boo some of the best players I've seen in a spurs shirt for 25 years, we boo the best board we've had since before that.

Be careful what you wish (and boo) for.

 

[WhiteStripe]

i agree Worcestersauce, to the people calling for a change of chairman you have very short memories or are too young to remember the debacle that was Irving Scholar we were almost bankrupt and turned into a supermarket. Levy has come in after Alan Sugar who secured our safety and turned us into a financially sound organisation. Yes he has made mistakes but so does everyone in all walks of life its just this is magnified by the press and the nature of the business. I would not want a change of chairman, new DOF or get rid of the idea yes, Ramos out still undecided.

I remember him, he was on my "gazza the real me" VHS, came across as a right twat.....on the plus side, this video had Gazza's classics "Fog on the tyne" and "Geordie Boys" and fetched the princely sum of £2.50 in a recent car boot sale!! :hump:

 

[teddyboy]

At the end of the day money is to Daniel Levy what the Ring is to Smegal. Sir Alex and his hoard of Orcs turn up with a suitcase full of money and levy starts whispering “my precious” to himself…!


It’s all about the money to him and that is clear for all to see.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Nail on head, you're mental. That is a total knee jerk. 7 years of solid progress and thisis the first real massive hiccup.

Not what I usually expect from you TSH, you're usually level-headed in your view and look at the big picture, not the last 6-12 months.

Well let's not look at just the last 12 months then. Let's look at Spurs since 2001 when Levy took over. Have we really improved a huge amount?

We've had 2 good seasons in those 7 years and won one trophy. Our average league position if you include the 2000/2001 season is 9.4 (so 9th). In the 8 seasons before that our average was 10.6 (so 10/11th) when there were 20 teams and 10th when there were 22 teams. In that time we also won a trophy.

That's not really a big difference is it? And that's without accounting for this season which looks like it'll bring the Sugar era into the lead league position wise.