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Bus-Conductor

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Aaaaghgh, the pantomime that is spurs. We are like a west end farce. Funny but only in a painful ironic way.

I was going to question Ramos's tactics even if we won, honestly I swear. Didn't understand why he felt the need to expose an already frail defence by putting only Lennon, Malbranque and Zokora in front of it. Why he felt such outragiously attacking formation was needed against a side as poor as Birmingham. I also thought the taking off of Kaboul was a complete waste of a substitution and a very counterproductive thing to do. It was a very harsh penalty and apart from that Birmingham were offering very little threat and the last thing his confidence needed was to be subbed again unecessarily in such a one sided game. Some will say keane was great scoring goals but he and the rrest of the strikers were pretty shit all day long for me. It was Keane who lost a ball he never should have (bottler) that cost us the first goal and Berbatov losing a ball that cost us the third. In between they all contrived to waste chances and gave the ball away and chose wrong options several times. Yes he stuck his penalty away well and then scored after hitting huddlestones good pass into the ground. He also gave the ball away nedlessly before the lunge that got him sent off (which was a harsh decision).

But just to add to the panto, this was a ludicrously one sided game. I think we had something like 20 shots and 10 on target. Birmingham had 3 on target and scored all of them including the obligatory 35 yard screamer in injury time from a player who has never scored a goal before. Despite my tactical misgivings, I am still scratching my head as to how we managed to loose this game. On the other hand we're spurs - is any more explanation required. Ratings:

Robinson 5 - Three shots to save.0 for 3. I know none were his fault just wish he would be a hero just once and save something unsavable. Even the penalty seemed to go through his legs. Still don't see how I can mark him higher.

Chimbonda 6 - good footballer. Less than good defender.

Dawson 5 - Just makes defending the minimal amount of pressure seem like the hardest job in the world.

Kaboul 5 - I'm really not sure he's ever going to be good enough defesively but playing next to Dawson is never going to improve him.

Bale 7 - came out of the game with some credit. great going forward. Defensively still learning. Bad time (for us) to be learning (who's he learning from).

Lennon 7 - worked pretty hard and got on the ball plenty. Just needs to improve the end product but would be helped if our strikers were better getting on the end of things and offering options at times.

Zokora 6.5 - Did pretty much everything that was asked and started the comeback with a great run and through ball but loses marks for ducking under one cross that they should have scored fro and not getting in the way of the 3rd (I think).

Malbranque 7 - See Lennon.

Berbatov 5 - wasteful inpossession and in the box too many times. Sloppy for the 3rd goal.

Keane 5 - See above. This is the most enigmatic player I have ever seen. Was absoloutely shit until he scored. The irony of the day is that a player so scared to tackle gets sent off for a tackle.

Bent 5 - Too many cooks. One too many and it wasn't necessarily Bent but he paid as our 3 strikers struggled to figure out who does what and where.

Huddlestone 7 - Good ball for the second. did OK. didn't help the defence much though when it was needed.

Defoe - I can't be arsed to mark.


Personally I would have played 442 with the Prince in the middle and Berbatov and Bent up front. I didn't think I'd see a shitter side than Derby. These were, and we didn't have to play the Ardiles 4-1-5 to beat them. It still took massive slices of bad luck to draw never mind loose and we got just about every slice you can imagine. When will our luck change - possibly when we buy 3 new defenders and a goalie.
 

Chaplain

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I generally agree - We play well, but fail to win, with either high-scoring draws or dramatic losses. The root is, honestly, in our defence and our midfield protection...not going forward. The defenders are inexperienced and lack cohesion while our midfield is too weak to hold their own - we need a tough-tackling poulsen/vieira/keane who can go up and down the pitch.
 

Dibby

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Robinson - 6
Chimbonda - 7
Dawson - 6
Kaboul - 4
Bale - 7
Zokora - 7
Malbranque - 7
Lennon - 8
Keane - 9
Berbatov - 7
Bent - 6


Huddlestone - 8
Defoe - 6
 

yanno

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Aug 1, 2003
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I was going to question Ramos's tactics even if we won, honestly I swear. Didn't understand why he felt the need to expose an already frail defence by putting only Lennon, Malbranque and Zokora in front of it. Why he felt such outragiously attacking formation was needed against a side as poor as Birmingham.

Personally I would have played 442 with the Prince in the middle and Berbatov and Bent up front. I didn't think I'd see a shitter side than Derby. These were, and we didn't have to play the Ardiles 4-1-5 to beat them. It still took massive slices of bad luck to draw never mind loose and we got just about every slice you can imagine. When will our luck change - possibly when we buy 3 new defenders and a goalie.

I think 4-4-2, with someone who can tackle (ie the Prince) in CM, was Ramos' other option. However, my hunch is that after seeing us labour in the first half in midweek, he wanted to start on the front foot and stretch the opposition with Bent's pace. He wanted us to start fast, get a couple of goals, and then solidify things through substitutions. And it nearly happened.

As I said in the other thread, I believe Ramos has basically given up on defence with the personnel currently at his disposal. He has decided attack really is the best form of defence. He may change his mind after that performance. But we should have won. And would have won but for a shocking game from the Ref and a hatful of missed chances.

I really like Juande. He's got cojones, and if he manages to sideline Comolli, he may even turn us into a good team. :wink:
 

Spursking

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May 16, 2004
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I am not in doubt about the quality we have in our team, but still we need some new faces in. We are still not a complete composed team.
 

Spurs_Q8

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Robinson 5 - can't fault him for their goals but i was unhappy with other situation in 5 mins when he missed a cross in his 6 yard box. if they scored it, it could be another problem.

Dawson 5.5

Kabul 5 - should avoid the penaly despite it was bad decision, he should defend better. Also, another late clearing before half time. Same mistake at Upton Park

Chimbonda 6.5 - was ok, nothing wrong this game and i liked his effective moves in set-pieces recently.

Bale 8 - I would like to give him this rate for his full commitment this game. He faught as much as he can this game. one of these things which i liked from this guy, when he made fine crosses in touch situation near the line as it could be goal kick for Birmingham instead. Also, decent crosses and almost denied a goal by wonderful save from Taylor (FK).

Lennon 7 - Good runs but he should improve his crosses.

Malbranque 7.5 - A great game and word by steed, if he peformed like this with other natural 2CMs .. He really improved under Ramos but i like to see same performance against top 4 sides.

Keane 8.5 - Anyone who give him low rating befor half time, he don't know about football. Just because he missed one or two ? You should look at his a great movement to creat chances, and then he scored vital PK and fine second goal. Unlucky shit Dowd sent him off and the game changed at all, We were very poor without him.

Bent 6.5 - ok for me.

Berbatov 6.5 - he should finish it but tried his best.

Huddlestone 7 - well done, made decent passing and positioning which improved the middle park before Keane sent off.

Defoe 4 - shocking, not effective at all recently. I can said that he is not needed at all.


Ramos:
- Good to see 4-3-3 line up but can't agree with only 1 natural CM.
- Can't agree about taking Kaboul out this time. it wasn't mistake.
- Bent proved he is better option than Defoe at all.
- When Bale injuried, i thuough he will use Boateng for more solid battle in the middle. While he swtiched Zokora alongside Dawson, Chimbonda can join them, Zokora and Boateng for CM, Lennon and Malbranque on winges.
 

tippspur59

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Robbie Keane scores his 12th goal of the season and you still knock him,thats pure bullshit bus-conductor.:bs:
 

Michey

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Robinson - 6
Chimbonda - 6
Dawson - 5
Kaboul - 4
Bale - 7
Zokora - 6
Malbranque - 6
Lennon - 6,5
Keane - 8
Berbatov - 6,5
Bent - 6


Huddlestone - 7
Defoe - 5
Lee - 6
 

rez9000

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Robinson - 7. He was not at fault for any of the games and made an excellent reflex save late in the game.

Dawson - 5. Awful. He really needs some experience otherwise his game will stagnate and we'll be lumbered with a player who once had lots of potential but failed to live up to it.

Kaboul - 4. Terrible. Purely in terms of his performance. I know he' s young and prone to mistakes, but some of his mistakes were inexcusable.

Bale - 8. Brilliant, as he has been pretty much throughout the season. I've yet to see him have a bad game for us, no matter where he's been played.

Chimbonda - 7. Nothing to critcise him for. Seems to be learning the lesson that as a defender he needs to stay back or track back after a forward run.

Zokora - 7. Good game. Seems to be flourishing under Ramos. Well played.

Malbranque - 8. Again, up and down the pitch. Sunk his teeth into and terrorised Brum throughout the match.

Lennon - 7. Excellent trickery. Schmitz should have been sent off before McGleish had the chance to sub him, and that was purely down to Lennon forcing fouls out of him. End product needs some more work but seems to be improving. Starting to show the ability of two season ago.

Berbatov - 5.5. I'm very worried about Berbs. Something just isn't clicking for him. He shows flashes of his brilliance, but they are few and far between and Prem defences seem to have found him out.

Keane - 7.5. Again, excellent play. Committed, energetic and got the goals. He missed out on an 8 scoring purely because of the missed chance early in the game, which would have changed the whole complexion of the match.

Bent - 6.5. Was dangerous but didn't make enough of an impact and then his injury prevented him from making any further contribution.

Huddlestone - 7. Good. Picked out Keane beautifully for the second goal. A few problems tracking back and was shown up by Stephen Kelly on the left, but otherwise was effective.

Defoe - 5. Didn't do enough. Tried. But failed.

Lee - 6.5. Wasn't as effective as Bale, but was fairly solid.

Spurs MOM - Bale

The result itself was a travesty. I dont use the phrase 'we was robbed' much, but we really were as a result of a combination of things - failure to finish chances, sheer bad luck and a disgusting excuse for a referee and 4th official.
 

bubble07

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Robinson 5 - Three shots to save.0 for 3. I know none were his fault just wish he would be a hero just once and save something unsavable. Even the penalty seemed to go through his legs. Still don't see how I can mark him higher.

Chimbonda 6 - good footballer. Less than good defender.

Dawson 5 - Just makes defending the minimal amount of pressure seem like the hardest job in the world.

Kaboul 5 - I'm really not sure he's ever going to be good enough defesively but playing next to Dawson is never going to improve him.

Bale 7 - came out of the game with some credit. great going forward. Defensively still learning. Bad time (for us) to be learning (who's he learning from).

Lennon 7 - worked pretty hard and got on the ball plenty. Just needs to improve the end product but would be helped if our strikers were better getting on the end of things and offering options at times.

Zokora 6.5 - Did pretty much everything that was asked and started the comeback with a great run and through ball but loses marks for ducking under one cross that they should have scored fro and not getting in the way of the 3rd (I think).

Malbranque 7 - See Lennon.

Berbatov 5 - wasteful inpossession and in the box too many times. Sloppy for the 3rd goal.

Keane 5 - See above. This is the most enigmatic player I have ever seen. Was absoloutely shit until he scored. The irony of the day is that a player so scared to tackle gets sent off for a tackle.

Bent 5 - Too many cooks. One too many and it wasn't necessarily Bent but he paid as our 3 strikers struggled to figure out who does what and where.

Huddlestone 7 - Good ball for the second. did OK. didn't help the defence much though when it was needed.

Defoe - I can't be arsed to mark.

Agree apart from keane and bent who i'd give a 6. Someone who scored 2 premier league goals in 5 minutes deserves more then a 5 however little he may hav contributed in the first half
 

bubble07

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Robinson - 7. He was not at fault for any of the games and made an excellent reflex save late in the game.

Dawson - 5. Awful. He really needs some experience otherwise his game will stagnate and we'll be lumbered with a player who once had lots of potential but failed to live up to it.

Kaboul - 4. Terrible. Purely in terms of his performance. I know he' s young and prone to mistakes, but some of his mistakes were inexcusable.

Bale - 8. Brilliant, as he has been pretty much throughout the season. I've yet to see him have a bad game for us, no matter where he's been played.

Chimbonda - 7. Nothing to critcise him for. Seems to be learning the lesson that as a defender he needs to stay back or track back after a forward run.

Zokora - 7. Good game. Seems to be flourishing under Ramos. Well played.

Malbranque - 8. Again, up and down the pitch. Sunk his teeth into and terrorised Brum throughout the match.

Lennon - 7. Excellent trickery. Schmitz should have been sent off before McGleish had the chance to sub him, and that was purely down to Lennon forcing fouls out of him. End product needs some more work but seems to be improving. Starting to show the ability of two season ago.

Berbatov - 5.5. I'm very worried about Berbs. Something just isn't clicking for him. He shows flashes of his brilliance, but they are few and far between and Prem defences seem to have found him out.

Keane - 7.5. Again, excellent play. Committed, energetic and got the goals. He missed out on an 8 scoring purely because of the missed chance early in the game, which would have changed the whole complexion of the match.

Bent - 6.5. Was dangerous but didn't make enough of an impact and then his injury prevented him from making any further contribution.

Huddlestone - 7. Good. Picked out Keane beautifully for the second goal. A few problems tracking back and was shown up by Stephen Kelly on the left, but otherwise was effective.

Defoe - 5. Didn't do enough. Tried. But failed.

Lee - 6.5. Wasn't as effective as Bale, but was fairly solid.

Spurs MOM - Bale

The result itself was a travesty. I dont use the phrase 'we was robbed' much, but we really were as a result of a combination of things - failure to finish chances, sheer bad luck and a disgusting excuse for a referee and 4th official.

your giving robbo a 7 for making 1 routine save? FFS
 

The Apprentice

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Robbo - 5 Had little to do and didn't save a thing apart from one OTT save which was straight at him.

Chimbonda - 6 Ran around a lot, didn't really tackle or get tight to anyone in particular

Bale - 7 Full of running, wank free delivery for majority of set pieces. Unlucky with one tipped onto the post. Injured again. Sicknote MkII

Dawson - 3 Another crap performance from a sub rate defender. No pace, positionally atrocious and can not read a game to save his life.

Kaboul - 5 Unlucky with the penalty, confidence shot to bits there after. Far too casual, not sure that will ever be taught out of him.

Lennon - 7 Full of running, couple of decent balls in, lots of crap balls in. Not his fault our strikers rarely run across the last defender when he delivers.

Malbranque - 8 Thought he was tenacious and worked his socks off. Clever balls through and supported the lads up top.

Zokora - 7 Was doing 2 mens jobs due to system employed. He normally barely can do his own work so felt for him a bit. Again looked good at CB. He's should start ahead of Dawson and Kaboul as 1st choice CB.

Bent - 5 Too many cooks and all that. Ran around a lot as he always does. Shame he got injured because he couldn't have done much worse that Defoe.

Berbatov - 7 Played some good stuff and looked bright. Minus points for fucking up two good headed chances and conspiring to hit the post from 4 yards. Dawdling for thew winner as well.

Keane - 7 Thought he was atrocious first half. Good penalty and a miss hit second. Nowhere near his best but at least he scored which is putting the others to shame currently.

Hudd - 7 Great ball for the second but also guilty of too many Hollywood passes. Would have helped if he would have had someone to pass to in the second half.

Defoe - 2 Dreadful dreadful performance. Firmly confirmed himself as our 4th choice striker. I think I can remember one pass which he laid out to Lennon on the right and that's about it.

Lee - 5 No time to anything good or bad.

Where was The Prince? Thought he would have been ideal when we were down to 10 men. With his desire and hunger.

Poor old Ramos, what he'd give for 2 semi-decent centre backs. Plus someone's got to tell him his bubble has burst and that the sun doesn't actually shine out of his ass? Welcome to Spurs.
 

yiddobrett

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Mar 18, 2005
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Robinson - 6
Chimbonda - 7
Dawson - 7.5
Kaboul - 5 - NEVER A PENALTY!
Bale - 8
Lennon - 8
Zokora - 6
Malbranque - 8
Keane - 8.5
Berbatov - 7
Bent - 6

Defoe - 5
Huddlestone - 7
Lee - 3
 

Flatters

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Robinson - 2 - Would have saved them all if he wasn't so fat
Chimbonda - 4 - Gloves?
Dawson - 1 - Good on the ball, but can't defend
Kaboul - 3 - Can defend, but nothing else
Bale - 2 - Get a haircut
Lennon - 3 - Too slow
Zokora - 2 - Should have covered three positions
Malbranque - 1 - Worked too hard
Keane - 4 - Deserved more than a red
Berbatov - 1 - Hard worker but lacks skill
Bent - 2 - You can head the ball, we get it

Defoe - 10 - Did everything but score, though he did in my heart (MOTM)
Huddlestone - 3 - Sloppy passing
Lee - 3 - Better with his weaker right foot
 
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