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Matthias Ginter

eddiev14

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I asked some Dortmund fans about Ginter on another forum and here's what they've said so far:

'He's nice on the ball, versatile, and fairly young. He can play DM, CB, and RB. However, he's a liability defensively, particularly at CB, where he's likely been underdeveloped over his BVB career given that he's been used sporadically and all over the place.'

That description is basically Eric Dier.
 

arunspurs

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That description is basically Eric Dier.

Exactly...

But If people think he is finished article, then they will be disappointed. While Dier generally has coped in all 3 positions, Ginter hasn't adapted that fast.

Ginter like Dier has been played all over the park - CB, DM, RB in his first 2 BVB seasons and again this season at CB. Dortmund fans arent keen on him but they would also say that its bit tough for him, coz of playing in multiple positions.

Klopp signed him, but didn't work well in first season. Then Tuchel moved him to RB and I thought he was really good. But midway through the season, he was moved away again from RB. 2016/17 he was played as CB.

He loses the ball some times in bad areas in middle of the park - but he creates lots of chances when he plays at RB. He had like 6 or 7 assist in his 2nd BVB season at RB.

IMO, if we buy him, he would be a great asset at RB. Long term he could develop into a CB.
 

matty74

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You dont know Pochettino very well, do you?
I get your point but he ain't gonna get much of a look in and he's at a age where he needs to be playing competitive games .

Wouldn't surprise me to see him somewhere like Brighton regular premier league games under a good good manager
 

WiganSpur

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Exactly...

But If people think he is finished article, then they will be disappointed. While Dier generally has coped in all 3 positions, Ginter hasn't adapted that fast.

Ginter like Dier has been played all over the park - CB, DM, RB in his first 2 BVB seasons and again this season at CB. Dortmund fans arent keen on him but they would also say that its bit tough for him, coz of playing in multiple positions.

Klopp signed him, but didn't work well in first season. Then Tuchel moved him to RB and I thought he was really good. But midway through the season, he was moved away again from RB. 2016/17 he was played as CB.

He loses the ball some times in bad areas in middle of the park - but he creates lots of chances when he plays at RB. He had like 6 or 7 assist in his 2nd BVB season at RB.

IMO, if we buy him, he would be a great asset at RB. Long term he could develop into a CB.
Decent return for a RB but the thought of players built for CB playing full back still makes me shudder especially with the system we are trying to adopt. I like my full backs to be mobile and dynamic.

If we are signing a RB then at least sign a proper one who will be able to cover the right side well.
 

arunspurs

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Decent return for a RB but the thought of players built for CB playing full back still makes me shudder especially with the system we are trying to adopt. I like my full backs to be mobile and dynamic.

If we are signing a RB then at least sign a proper one who will be able to cover the right side well.

This signing would say to me that we will play back3. In back 3 ,CBs should be comfortable in full back position when play is stretched. To that extent, both Veltman & Ginter would be a excellent signing. Advantage with Ginter is he could play DM as well, which would make him a direct backup/competition to Dier.

But generally speaking, I feel Dier is at far advanced stage of development than Ginter is.
 

eddiev14

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Exactly...

But If people think he is finished article, then they will be disappointed. While Dier generally has coped in all 3 positions, Ginter hasn't adapted that fast.

Ginter like Dier has been played all over the park - CB, DM, RB in his first 2 BVB seasons and again this season at CB. Dortmund fans arent keen on him but they would also say that its bit tough for him, coz of playing in multiple positions.

Klopp signed him, but didn't work well in first season. Then Tuchel moved him to RB and I thought he was really good. But midway through the season, he was moved away again from RB. 2016/17 he was played as CB.

He loses the ball some times in bad areas in middle of the park - but he creates lots of chances when he plays at RB. He had like 6 or 7 assist in his 2nd BVB season at RB.

IMO, if we buy him, he would be a great asset at RB. Long term he could develop into a CB.

Cheers for the insight.
 

WiganSpur

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To be honest I don't think there's a need for a right sided centre back unless we sign someone of the quality of Michael Keane say. I'd rather us look to the other side to provide us with balance if Vertonghen is missing. Dier really struggled playing LCB and if Wimmer is going I think we might need someone there.

Having said all this Ginter may be a sensible option if we're intending to use a back 3 more often with Davies filling in at LCB and Sessegnon signing to play a left wing back role. I'd just be concerned for the future of CCV though.
 

arunspurs

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To be honest I don't think there's a need for a right sided centre back unless we sign someone of the quality of Michael Keane say. I'd rather us look to the other side to provide us with balance if Vertonghen is missing. Dier really struggled playing LCB and if Wimmer is going I think we might need someone there.

Having said all this Ginter may be a sensible option if we're intending to use a back 3 more often with Davies filling in at LCB and Sessegnon signing to play a left wing back role. I'd just be concerned for the future of CCV though.

CCV tbh has had a very average year.He has made mistakes for country & also for us in few chances, suffered injury etc.
I am sure he is still in Poch's good books. Don't think CCV is ready yet
 

Ossie85

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To be honest I don't think there's a need for a right sided centre back unless we sign someone of the quality of Michael Keane say. I'd rather us look to the other side to provide us with balance if Vertonghen is missing. Dier really struggled playing LCB and if Wimmer is going I think we might need someone there.

Having said all this Ginter may be a sensible option if we're intending to use a back 3 more often with Davies filling in at LCB and Sessegnon signing to play a left wing back role. I'd just be concerned for the future of CCV though.

It's not easy getting a left footed ball playing CB. Other than Vertonghen there's Umtiti, and not much else. There are other left footed CB, but they are not as good with the ball.

I honestly don't think there's much between Ginter and Keane.
 

GetSpurredOn

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Said similar on the Veltman thread, either Veltman or Ginter would be ideal. Able to slot in at RB in competition with Trippier now Walker has gone, but equally able to cover CB in a back 3, with Walker-Peters stepping into the squad as RWB alternative option.

Davies and Sessegnon would offer the same option on the left behind Rose. If/when Davies has to cover over at LCB, Sessegnon slots in as cover behind Rose.

Only issue is, if Wimmer goes, we'd still need added cover. At RCB we'd have Ginter/Veltman, Carter-Vickers, Dier and Alderweireld. At LCB we'd only have Vertonghen and Davies.

Ideally
RB. Trippier, Ginter/Veltman, Walker-Peters
LB. Rose, Davies, Sessegnon
RCB. Dier, Carter-Vickers, (Ginter/Veltman)
CB. Alderweireld, (Dier)
LCB. Vertonghen, Wimmer, (Davies)

Plenty of scope there to move players around to suit, Dier and Ginter can cover Wanyama, and Walker-Peters & Sessegnon could slot on higher up the pitch if need be.

Two signings, covered combined by Walkers fee.
 

yankspurs

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Looks to me like someone wants to get his client a new long term contract, to be honest. Dont think there is one iota pf truth in this. We arent in the market for an RCB. We watched him play because he's teammates with Pulisic and Dembele
 

not_tenth-again

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It's not easy getting a left footed ball playing CB. Other than Vertonghen there's Umtiti, and not much else. There are other left footed CB, but they are not as good with the ball.

I honestly don't think there's much between Ginter and Keane.

Dendoncker is the other versatile CB I really like, would you have him in the same bracket as those two?
 

JonnySpurs

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Never been impressed when I've seen him play but he certainly has potential and the fundamentals to be good in the long run with the right coaching. Not sure I'd want to gamble on him. Personally prefer what I've seen of Veltman.
 

Japhet

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Dendoncker is the other versatile CB I really like, would you have him in the same bracket as those two?


IMO, Dendoncker is more of a CM who can drop into CB - Dier in reverse so to speak. I like him a lot as a player but not convinced he'd be good enough at CB to provide cover. I also prefer Veltman to Ginter who looks like he could be a bit of a liability at CB.
 

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because we already got Toby, Dier and CCV as back up and we are lead to believe Wimmer is outta here
The key here is Walker's future. If he goes we may be looking at someone that can paly in the three at CB and also at right back to cover for Trips and give KWP time to develop ie. Ginter or Veltman.
 
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