Mauricio Pochettino

[Bus-Conductor]

I don't see how its completely pie in the sky though BC. Ok I'm clearly biased but I still think I've made some relevant points which would at least enter Pochettino's thought process should he be approached.

You lost me at "Spurs are a more attractive proposition than Utd right now". Maybe in fifteen years time and we have been playing CL football in front of 65,000 fans for the previous 10 and can offer the kind a salaries and 200m a season transfer war chest to a manager and ManU can whilst they have somehow managed to implode so badly that they have become a complete basket case, we'll be close, otherwise you are in lala land.

 

[Shanks]

You lost me at "Spurs are a more attractive proposition than Utd right now". Maybe in fifteen years time and we have been playing CL football in front of 65,000 fans for the previous 10 and can offer the kind a salaries and 200m a season transfer war chest to a manager and ManU can whilst they have somehow managed to implode so badly that they have become a complete basket case, we'll be close, otherwise you are in lala land.

can't really argue this, Man Utd are one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Yes they've dropped off performance wise over the last couple of years, but they are still one of the biggest draws around the world.

We aren't anywhere near that level.

 

[Mr Pink]

You lost me at "Spurs are a more attractive proposition than Utd right now". Maybe in fifteen years time and we have been playing CL football in front of 65,000 fans for the previous 10 and can offer the kind a salaries and 200m a season transfer war chest to a manager and ManU can whilst they have somehow managed to implode so badly that they have become a complete basket case, we'll be close, otherwise you are in lala land.

For Pochettino I meant - given the title of the thread! It wasn't a general remark obviously, it was geared towards the type of manager/man I think Pochettino might be. That's the point I'm making, not any other random manager/player out there - of course United would be the bigger and better option.

Yes I'm guessing but I think Pochettino staying with us as opposed to joining United, at the moment at least, could well be a more attractive proposition - for the reasons I listed after where I lost you.

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they approach Pochettino and he ends up staying with us and they move on to other targets.

But we'll see.

 

[SpursManChris]

Pointless thread, he has already said he is staying.

Oh right, well that's settled then. By the way, when did he say was staying for ever?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

For Pochettino I meant - given the title of the thread! It wasn't a general remark obviously, it was geared towards the type of manager/man I think Pochettino might be. That's the point I'm making, not any other random manager/player out there - of course United would be the bigger and better option.

Yes I'm guessing but I think Pochettino staying with us as opposed to joining United, at the moment at least, could well be a more attractive proposition - for the reasons I listed after where I lost you.

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they approach Pochettino and he ends up staying with us and they move on to other targets.

But we'll see.

If I was you I'd start praying LVG picks up a couple of 5-0 wins soon, because if he they flash their knickers at Pochettino he'll be off before you can say "I'm berry berry happy at tottingham". I get the impression he's a very ambitious man.

 

[Trix]

can't really argue this, Man Utd are one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Yes they've dropped off performance wise over the last couple of years, but they are still one of the biggest draws around the world.

We aren't anywhere near that level.

So were Pool at one time, and Milan. Having a few baron seasons soon makes a hell of a difference. They will always be a huge club, but they are not the Manchester United Ferguson was in charge of, and players are starting to choose to play elsewhere when they have options.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

So were Pool at one time, and Milan. Having a few baron seasons soon makes a hell of a difference. They will always be a huge club, but they are not the Manchester United Ferguson was in charge of, and players are starting to choose to play elsewhere when they have options.

ManU are a long, long way from being Liverpool or AC Milan yet. Players might be choosing the PSG's and Real Madrid's but there aren't too many choosing Spurs over them yet.

 

[King of Otters]

If I was you I'd start praying LVG picks up a couple of 5-0 wins soon, because if he they flash their knickers at Pochettino he'll be off before you can say "I'm berry berry happy at tottingham". I get the impression he's a very ambitious man.

Poch may or may not be ambitious, but, as with Harry Kane, the issue of him inevitably leaving for a bigger for a club is simply not as black and white as you''re determined to paint it. Yes Man Utd are bigger, yes they have more money, yes Poch has a better chance of winning things with them than he does with us, but there are some things that Spurs can offer Poch than Utd can't.

One, trust - from the board down to the fans. Poch is unlikely to enjoy the kind of bromance with Woodward, or whoever is in charge at Utd, as he has with Levy. Don't forget Levy backed Poch against the big name players who decided they didn't like his methods last season. Would he get the same support at Utd, or would he be expected to work with the expensively acquired players already in place?

Two, at Spurs 'the Poch Way' is well on its way to being established as the clubs footballing philosophy. For a guy who clearly invests so much meaning in his 'philosophy' - work ethic, team work, hard running etc etc - the fact that Tottenham as a club has taken it on and is coming close to thriving as a result is surely a source of some personal pride and importance for him.

Three, from reading and listening to Poch's interviews, I think he's a man more suited to managing a smaller big club, like Spurs, than a superclub like Man Utd. Why? Because he clearly has a preference for young players, and takes pride and enjoyment in developing them and instructing them in his philosophy. He has the luxury to do this at Spurs because we don't demand any immediate results and are willing, to a degree, to be patient. Do you think Poch could adopt the same policy at Utd and get away with it? Or would he be forced to do something he's never done, and that's get a team of super rich superstars to buy into his philosophy and deliver almost immediate results?

 

[jezz]

I reckon Poch's starting these rumours to get a sneaky pay rise
Well played I say

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Poch may or may not be ambitious, but, as with Harry Kane, the issue of him inevitably leaving for a bigger for a club is simply not as black and white as you''re determined to paint it. Yes Man Utd are bigger, yes they have more money, yes Poch has a better chance of winning things with them than he does with us, but there are some things that Spurs can offer Poch than Utd can't.

One, trust - from the board down to the fans. Poch is unlikely to enjoy the kind of bromance with Woodward, or whoever is in charge at Utd, as he has with Levy. Don't forget Levy backed Poch against the big name players who decided they didn't like his methods last season. Would he get the same support at Utd, or would he be expected to work with the expensively acquired players already in place?

Two, at Spurs 'the Poch Way' is well on its way to being established as the clubs footballing philosophy. For a guy who clearly invests so much meaning in his 'philosophy' - work ethic, team work, hard running etc etc - the fact that Tottenham as a club has taken it on and is coming close to thriving as a result is surely a source of some personal pride and importance for him.

Three, from reading and listening to Poch's interviews, I think he's a man more suited to managing a smaller big club, like Spurs, than a superclub like Man Utd. Why? Because he clearly has a preference for young players, and takes pride and enjoyment in developing them and instructing them in his philosophy. He has the luxury to do this at Spurs because we don't demand any immediate results and are willing, to a degree, to be patient. Do you think Poch could adopt the same policy at Utd and get away with it? Or would he be forced to do something he's never done, and that's get a team of super rich superstars to buy into his philosophy and deliver almost immediate results?

One - how much trust do you think the board would give Poch if he wasn't winning games ? The same as they've given every other manager as soon as fans start singing they want their tottenham back.

Two - He had the same backing and love from board and fans at Southampton for his philosophy and soon jumped ship when we came knocking.

Three - From everything I've read about Poch he's an incredibly driven and ambitious man.

 

[nightgoat]

@tototoner:

While no one can say he WOULD, no one can say he won't. We don't know the man, we don't have one foggy notion of his true intentions. He left Southampton didn't he?

Southampton had only been promoted two years before Pochettino left them, they'd just undergone a change in top management and were about to start a firesale of their best players. Many people were predicting Southampton to be in a relegation battle the season Pochettino left.

We on the other hand have been a top five Premier League team every one of the last six seasons (bar the one where Timmy got his grubby mitts on things) and are well positioned to at least equal our best PL finish this season. Our best players have been pledging their allegiance to both the club and the manager. The situations between us now and Southampton then are so far apart it's barely worth mentioning.

 

[BPR_U16]

One - how much trust do you think the board would give Poch if he wasn't winning games ? The same as they've given every other manager as soon as fans start singing they want their tottenham back.

Two - He had the same backing and love from board and fans at Southampton for his philosophy and soon jumped ship when we came knocking.

Three - From everything I've read about Poch he's an incredibly driven and ambitious man.

Think you are right with all 3 points BC, but also think that he might just believe he can accomplish an awful lot at Spurs - and that there is actually little need to move on.

He knows the history of the club, and where we used to be (thanks for that Ossie) and can see that he could possibly create a sort of dynasty of his own here with the way things are currently panning out.

He will realise that he has a crop of young players who have bought into his philosophy and that as they get even more experience the majority will get stronger.

He can see a number of other players who in the future will be looking to break into that squad
and he can see a new stadium and hopefully all the benefits that can bring.

An ambitious driven individual will be working to ensure that when all the planets align that he is at the centre of the universe.

 

[King of Otters]

One - how much trust do you think the board would give Poch if he wasn't winning games ? The same as they've given every other manager as soon as fans start singing they want their tottenham back.

Two - He had the same backing and love from board and fans at Southampton for his philosophy and soon jumped ship when we came knocking.

Three - From everything I've read about Poch he's an incredibly driven and ambitious man.

One, it's relative, isn't it? The fact that the trust is quite clearly there strongly suggests that should we hit rocky waters Poch will enjoy an extended period of grace. The likes of Harry, and perhaps also AVB and Tim, who didn't appear to enjoy such a smooth relationship with Levy, were not beneficiaries of the chairman's trust and suffered for it when results/public opinion took a turn for the worse.
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Two, no he didn't. This is the key thing with Poch and 'ambition', he didn't leave Soton for Spurs because we're a bigger club, but because the people who supported him behind the scenes left the club and the players he brought through on the pitch were sold. Poch was openly talking about the possibility of leaving the club due to boardroom drama even before we came calling.

Here's some quotes from Poch after Cortese left Soton:

"Nicola Cortese has basically been the reality at Southampton for the past four years. Of course, the people that are in the club, that are part of the club, that are behind the scenes in the club were a little bit worried about what has been said. Me on a personal sense, I would not understand a Southampton without Nicola being here. When I first arrived here, nobody knew who Mauricio Pochettino was, Nicola put his faith in me and knew me from way, way back. When I got to know his project, we were basically on the same wavelength as to what we wanted for Southampton in the future. Basically, my future in Southampton has to be with Nicola."

Does that sound like a man who has the 'backing and love of the board' to you?

Three, 'Incredibly ambitious' suggests a determination to reach the top no matter what, I have to say nothing I've read from Poch suggests he's that kind of man. I can provide any number of quotes of Poch talking about bringing through young players and how he likes working with them. Perhaps you'd care to do the same to support your claim about his ambition?

 

[Yid1987]

You lost me at "Spurs are a more attractive proposition than Utd right now". Maybe in fifteen years time and we have been playing CL football in front of 65,000 fans for the previous 10 and can offer the kind a salaries and 200m a season transfer war chest to a manager and ManU can whilst they have somehow managed to implode so badly that they have become a complete basket case, we'll be close, otherwise you are in lala land.

Can see what you're saying and agree on terms of not being close to Man Utd but for Poch I don't think he wants to go out & spend spend spend. If you look at his track record he has got rid of senior 'bigger' name players and favoured academy products at all 3 clubs.

Add to that the fact our academy is better than United's at the moment (hence why they want John McDermott) and that he's bombed the deadwood from Spurs that means we are effectively 2 years ahead of where he would be If he were to go to United and start a new project.

Poch is a loyal guy who likes to build something for the long term,not buy for hear and now. Initially he was happy to stay at Saints but when he was told they'd sell half the squad he didn't believe that he could be suuccesful there as he'd be permanently rebuilding & never be able to see something develop.

Now, I can't answer for the man but he's got an opportunity to build something special at Spurs with a young, exciting team, a couple of potential superstars, and a club that's getting stronger & stronger off the pitch. I've got a good feeling that maybe this time we'll manage to fend off other clubs for our manager & Kane, Alli arc.

 

[nightgoat]

One - how much trust do you think the board would give Poch if he wasn't winning games ? The same as they've given every other manager as soon as fans start singing they want their tottenham back.

Two - He had the same backing and love from board and fans at Southampton for his philosophy and soon jumped ship when we came knocking.

Three - From everything I've read about Poch he's an incredibly driven and ambitious man.

One - how much trust do you think the Man Utd board would give Poch if he went there and wasn't winning games?

Two - he had the backing from the Southampton board, then they got a new chairman who sold all their best players.

Three - what makes you think Spurs/Levy can't/won't match Pochettino's ambition?

 

[Nynorsk]

One - how much trust do you think the board would give Poch if he wasn't winning games ? The same as they've given every other manager as soon as fans start singing they want their tottenham back.

Two - He had the same backing and love from board and fans at Southampton for his philosophy and soon jumped ship when we came knocking.

Three - From everything I've read about Poch he's an incredibly driven and ambitious man.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ton-fans-must-be-asking-What-is-going-on.html

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[THFCSPURS19]

HEEYYYYYYYY Macarena

 

[BillyWhizz]

If you haven't already done so read the "Sheriff" article about Poch. It's a good insight into him and reading that makes you think he's someone who likes to build something and see it through to the end. I've no doubt he would want to manage a club like Man Utd one day or if he wasn't happy anymore call it a day but while things are going to plan he'll stick with it.
He loves to coach and train and bring youth players through and he has a club committed to this with the facilities to back it up.

He doesn't even have an agent and I bet his earnings are more now than he's ever had.

 

[arunspurs]

If I am not wrong, Pochettino doesn't even have an agent or publicist. He negotiates his contracts by himself. So, atleast from that perspective, there's not going to be anyone pushing him. Its entirely down to him.

If we get CL & United fail to do so, there's no way he is going to go to them. If we don't get CL & United get into CL, there's no way United will be coming in for him. If both get in, Poch may be approached. But again, its difficult to see him leaving regardless.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Two - He had the same backing and love from board and fans at Southampton for his philosophy and soon jumped ship when we came knocking.

This is not remotely true. Soton conducted a fire-sale of its players - essentially tearing down everything that Poch was creating.

If Spurs sell of Kane, Alli, Dier, etc. I expect Poch would want to leave - but I think the people involved with the club recognize this is a special group, with a tight bond.