The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Metalhead]

As mentioned above, you're talking rubbish! I did not say replace Poch with Ancelotti.

Do I want Poch gone? Yes.
If he went in the summer I wouldnt shed a tear, so long as he's replaced with someone better. Ancelotti is not better than Poch imho. And that cos theres many reports that have said, Ancelotti is too hands off in training and is not a very disciplined manager the last 5 years or so.

What I would like is someone ruthless like Simeone or Conte to replace Poch. Those are the names I mentioned. Not Ancelotti!!!

If Poch stays next season - which I reckon most likely he will, - then its no less than I expect from DL.He's gotten too friendly with Poch to sack him after what Poch has done so far, and thats normal, however, I feel its going to hurt us if he allows Poch to outstay his welcome if we dont win a trophy or get top 4 by the end of the first season in NWHL.
That is my preference - to give Poch 1 year after we move into NWHL to get us top 4 or a trophy or sack him if he fails to deliver.
But if Conte or Simeone were available before then I would absolutely replace Poch with either in a heartbeat without any hesitation.

The problem with you lot is that you're all too whimsical and soft. You cant bear to sack a manager who you feel has progressed your club - even if it means you will never win a trophy. If you all carry on, We will end up like the scum where getting top 4 is basically like a trophy to you lot!!! Its not!! Get you head out of your arses and realise that we'll never be Utd, City or Chelsea stature until we win the league title.

Top 4 is only a starting point. Poch got us there but he's too crap of a manager to get us a title and since you all are too sentimental and blind to it, some of us with more realism need to slap you all upside the head every few weeks to remind you how shit we still are as a club to know we'll never win a title unless we get a better manager.

We've seen the affect of replacing a popular manager who had supposedly taken us as far as he could before haven't we?

 

[Gassin's finest]

Jesus H fucking Christ...

 

[thfc1973]

Hate crap like this because it means no one can possibly say anything negative about his management at all without people getting defensive assuming you hold the same ridiculous view of getting rid of him. Really ruins chance of any sort of constructive criticism.

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!

Now you what what its like being on the other side of the fence when we all have some constructive criticism about the manager and a load of ****s come on trolling, spamming and rubbishing anything slightly negative posted towards oh holy one that is Poch!!!!!!!!!

 

[buckley]

some of the people on here write as they were the oracle of all that is good and effective in football whereas people like myself who have been going to the lane since 1950 and a season ticket holder since 1970 can say that I have seen all that is great ;bad; indifferent. in fact it is only the cup in the 1920s that I missed in our cup and league and European success.I can tell you that Rowe ;Nicholson;burkenshaw all would have been driven out of our club before success came along and it is this short sightedness and impatience that could drive poch out .I for one believe we are on the cusp of great things if we can hold on to poch.While none of us want to see harry or any of our top players driven out if they were to insist on a move the transfers would be astronomical and allow posh to rebuild.the one truism I know of in football is that longstanding success is built by long standing managers such as busby;ferguson;revie;clough;nicholson;rowe;burkenshaw;shankley;paisly.players however great come and go great managers have longevity built with success.So please don't drive poch out as he is properly our only chance of challenging the very richest clubs

 

[shelfboy68]

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!

Now you what what its like being on the other side of the fence when we all have some constructive criticism about the manager and a load of ****s come on trolling, spamming and rubbishing anything slightly negative posted towards oh holy one that is Poch!!!!!!!!!

For what he has done so far he is still in credit for me and I think he deserves a bit more respect don't you, yes it was a shit performance but nobody wants this man to leave.

 

[tiger666]

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!

Now you what what its like being on the other side of the fence when we all have some constructive criticism about the manager and a load of ****s come on trolling, spamming and rubbishing anything slightly negative posted towards oh holy one that is Poch!!!!!!!!!

If you think this is "constructive criticism", you have issues.

"Top 4 is only a starting point. Poch got us there but he's too crap of a manager to get us a title and since you all are too sentimental and blind to it, some of us with more realism need to slap you all upside the head every few weeks to remind you how shit we still are as a club to know we'll never win a title unless we get a better manager."

 

[thfc1973]

We've seen the affect of replacing a popular manager who had supposedly taken us as far as he could before haven't we?

Yes we have....
We replaced Harry, and although i liked his swashbuckling style and his ability to get us to CL and then to the QF he was sacked. We got AVB in... Was he worse? Some might argue yes, but if you looked at what AVB was trying to do when he came in, it made sense..He got us playing from the back, and got the team playing with a passing finesse that was lacking. Then we replaced him with Tim, who arguably was not as good as his predecessors but gave youngsters a chance that never would have gotten first team opportunities..And then we got Poch.

How anyone could even attempt to argue that every manager that we brought in, hasn't made us better in some way is just deluded. The future's bright. Change is not something to be afraid of!

 

[buckley]

By the way you moaning gits would have got Ferguson the sack before fantastic success came along so I say those of us that back our manager do not like hearing spurious moans and stupid ideas so say shut it you plonkers and let the best manager we have had for donkeys years get on with making us a team to be proud of

 

[fortworthspur]

some of the people on here write as they were the oracle of all that is good and effective in football whereas people like myself who have been going to the lane since 1950 and a season ticket holder since 1970 can say that I have seen all that is great ;bad; indifferent. in fact it is only the cup in the 1920s that I missed in our cup and league and European success.I can tell you that Rowe ;Nicholson;burkenshaw all would have been driven out of our club before success came along and it is this short sightedness and impatience that could drive poch out .I for one believe we are on the cusp of great things if we can hold on to poch.While none of us want to see harry or any of our top players driven out if they were to insist on a move the transfers would be astronomical and allow posh to rebuild.the one truism I know of in football is that longstanding success is built by long standing managers such as busby;ferguson;revie;clough;nicholson;rowe;burkenshaw;shankley;paisly.players however great come and go great managers have longevity built with success.So please don't drive poch out as he is properly our only chance of challenging the very richest clubs

its the same in all sports in the States anymore. College football in particular. Darrell Royal is the legendary coach of my alma mater, the university of Texas. He had 3 straight mediocre seasons in the 1960s after winning a national championship (and before winning two more). He never would survive that now.

 

[DCSPUR]

By the way you moaning gits would have got Ferguson the sack before fantastic success came along so I say those of us that back our manager do not like hearing spurious moans and stupid ideas so say shut it you plonkers and let the best manager we have had for donkeys years get on with making us a team to be proud of

one thousand million agrees and winner stars for you

 

[Metalhead]

Yes we have....
We replaced Harry, and although i liked his swashbuckling style and his ability to get us to CL and then to the QF he was sacked. We got AVB in... Was he worse? Some might argue yes, but if you looked at what AVB was trying to do when he came in, it made sense..He got us playing from the back, and got the team playing with a passing finesse that was lacking. Then we replaced him with Tim, who arguably was not as good as his predecessors but gave youngsters a chance that never would have gotten first team opportunities..And then we got Poch.

How anyone could even attempt to argue that every manager that we brought in, hasn't made us better in some way is just deluded. The future's bright. Change is not something to be afraid of!

I meant replacing Jol with Ramos. Anyway, it doesn't matter really. I disagree with Poch getting sacked....you might think it's fine. The man up top calls the shots and he won't sack him.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Some people really shouldn't watch football when it's their time of the month...

 

[RichieS]

OMG are people seriously calling for a change in manager?? He’s the best manager I’ve seen in my 47 years. Yeah his substitutions or lack of them early drive me nuts, also his love in with Sissoko. Even with that I love the man. Hope he is here for years to come. He’s worked miracles with our budget compared to the other 5 teams around us. The last thing we need is another change in manager.

To be fair, it's "person" rather than "people".

I wonder whether Liverpool fans want Klopp out...

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

As mentioned above, you're talking rubbish! I did not say replace Poch with Ancelotti.

Do I want Poch gone? Yes.
If he went in the summer I wouldnt shed a tear, so long as he's replaced with someone better. Ancelotti is not better than Poch imho. And that cos theres many reports that have said, Ancelotti is too hands off in training and is not a very disciplined manager the last 5 years or so.

What I would like is someone ruthless like Simeone or Conte to replace Poch. Those are the names I mentioned. Not Ancelotti!!!

If Poch stays next season - which I reckon most likely he will, - then its no less than I expect from DL.He's gotten too friendly with Poch to sack him after what Poch has done so far, and thats normal, however, I feel its going to hurt us if he allows Poch to outstay his welcome if we dont win a trophy or get top 4 by the end of the first season in NWHL.
That is my preference - to give Poch 1 year after we move into NWHL to get us top 4 or a trophy or sack him if he fails to deliver.
But if Conte or Simeone were available before then I would absolutely replace Poch with either in a heartbeat without any hesitation.

The problem with you lot is that you're all too whimsical and soft. You cant bear to sack a manager who you feel has progressed your club - even if it means you will never win a trophy. If you all carry on, We will end up like the scum where getting top 4 is basically like a trophy to you lot!!! Its not!! Get you head out of your arses and realise that we'll never be Utd, City or Chelsea stature until we win the league title.

Top 4 is only a starting point. Poch got us there but he's too crap of a manager to get us a title and since you all are too sentimental and blind to it, some of us with more realism need to slap you all upside the head every few weeks to remind you how shit we still are as a club to know we'll never win a title unless we get a better manager.

I've always wondered where they get those idiot fans from who ring into Talksport and spout absolute shit...now I know...

 

[thfc1973]

some of the people on here write as they were the oracle of all that is good and effective in football whereas people like myself who have been going to the lane since 1950 and a season ticket holder since 1970 can say that I have seen all that is great ;bad; indifferent. in fact it is only the cup in the 1920s that I missed in our cup and league and European success.I can tell you that Rowe ;Nicholson;burkenshaw all would have been driven out of our club before success came along and it is this short sightedness and impatience that could drive poch out .I for one believe we are on the cusp of great things if we can hold on to poch.While none of us want to see harry or any of our top players driven out if they were to insist on a move the transfers would be astronomical and allow posh to rebuild.the one truism I know of in football is that longstanding success is built by long standing managers such as busby;ferguson;revie;clough;nicholson;rowe;burkenshaw;shankley;paisly.players however great come and go great managers have longevity built with success.So please don't drive poch out as he is properly our only chance of challenging the very richest clubs

No disrespect... but......... you're from another era, talking about another era. That era in football is loooong gone.
Even the 90's and 2000's is old hat compared to nowadays. I've been watching Spurs since the 80's which isnt that long but i still clearly recognize that that era compared to the 90's was miles different, and the 90's to the 2000's was exponentially different again, and so on with every decade that goes by. Football doesnt allow for building long term success like they did in the olden days with managers staying 20yrs+ and building a team from scratch with young players, thats the problem. What you have are clubs able to pay out lots of money for potential that will stay 10yrs at a club - thats the only longevity you have. IF they stay, most dont as they themselves want instant success. Manager's will never last that long.

Sorry but theres no such thing as longecity in football for managers anymore if you ask me.

Wenger as an example is a dying breed. He's a dinosaur. He's the last dinosaur. Fergie was the one before him who had been at a club forever and won it all. And that will never happen again. Football and money that runs/ruins football is far more important that bullshit terms like longevity. The world doesnt care about longevity if you arent winning. It cares about success and nothing else.

I'm not saying i dont like longevity. I love it, and i wish a great manager would stay at Spurs forever but its never going to happen.
Chairmen, owners, stakeholders will not allow or care about any manager who has longstanding status with a club if the club arent winning. Thats the way of the football world now. Like it or not.

 

[Shadydan]

You always get one joker

 

[FreddieYid]

You always get one joker

I’m not sure ‘joker’ is the word I’d use... FML

 

[fortworthspur]

No disrespect... but......... you're from another era, talking about another era. That era in football is loooong gone.
Even the 90's and 2000's is old hat compared to nowadays. I've been watching Spurs since the 80's which isnt that long but i still clearly recognize that that era compared to the 90's was miles different, and the 90's to the 2000's was exponentially different again, and so on with every decade that goes by. Football doesnt allow for building long term success like they did in the olden days with managers staying 20yrs+ and building a team from scratch with young players, thats the problem. What you have are clubs able to pay out lots of money for potential that will stay 10yrs at a club - thats the only longevity you have. IF they stay, most dont as they themselves want instant success. Manager's will never last that long.

Sorry but theres no such thing as longecity in football for managers anymore if you ask me.

Wenger as an example is a dying breed. He's a dinosaur. He's the last dinosaur. Fergie was the one before him who had been at a club forever and won it all. And that will never happen again. Football and money that runs/ruins football is far more important that bullshit terms like longevity. The world doesnt care about longevity if you arent winning. It cares about success and nothing else.

I'm not saying i dont like longevity. I love it, and i wish a great manager would stay at Spurs forever but its never going to happen.
Chairmen, owners, stakeholders will not allow or care about any manager who has longstanding status with a club if the club arent winning. Thats the way of the football world now. Like it or not.

they care about money more than that. its the supporters who make the most fuss about winning. there is no evidence that Lewis or Levy are unhappy with Poch.

 

[ClonedFromSandrosBeard]

So I've been thinking about the arguments around Poch's subs and I think it's an area in which he is ultimately culpable.

We can talk about squad building and lack of investment all we like but I know in his first season, when we were losing to Forest in the league cup (which we made the final of that year) Poch brought on Ryan Mason - an unknown - rather than one of our 'stars'. He turned that match and arguably (with Kane) our season around. That's what Poch is missing imo, a bit of bravery to ruffle some feathers in the group that he has groomed to this point.

Now it seems he daren't take Dele off because he can pop up with a goal sometimes. Kane can be dead on his feet with us 3-0 up but play the full 90. We have 2 fullbacks on the bench EVERY game and they only get used if there's an injury even if the player is having a shocker (Trippier vs City).

This current core of world class players we have is credit to Poch, and we all need to remember that. However he made them that way by challenging them and I think he needs to do that a bit more than he is currently.

 

[PLTuck]

@thfc1973 Seriously, are you a WUM, or high, on day release or what?

You are entitled to your opinion of course, but it is absolute horseshit.