The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[mpickard2087]

As mentioned above, you're talking rubbish! I did not say replace Poch with Ancelotti.

Do I want Poch gone? Yes.
If he went in the summer I wouldnt shed a tear, so long as he's replaced with someone better. Ancelotti is not better than Poch imho. And that cos theres many reports that have said, Ancelotti is too hands off in training and is not a very disciplined manager the last 5 years or so.

What I would like is someone ruthless like Simeone or Conte to replace Poch. Those are the names I mentioned. Not Ancelotti!!!

If Poch stays next season - which I reckon most likely he will, - then its no less than I expect from DL.He's gotten too friendly with Poch to sack him after what Poch has done so far, and thats normal, however, I feel its going to hurt us if he allows Poch to outstay his welcome if we dont win a trophy or get top 4 by the end of the first season in NWHL.
That is my preference - to give Poch 1 year after we move into NWHL to get us top 4 or a trophy or sack him if he fails to deliver.
But if Conte or Simeone were available before then I would absolutely replace Poch with either in a heartbeat without any hesitation.

The problem with you lot is that you're all too whimsical and soft. You cant bear to sack a manager who you feel has progressed your club - even if it means you will never win a trophy. If you all carry on, We will end up like the scum where getting top 4 is basically like a trophy to you lot!!! Its not!! Get you head out of your arses and realise that we'll never be Utd, City or Chelsea stature until we win the league title.

Top 4 is only a starting point. Poch got us there but he's too crap of a manager to get us a title and since you all are too sentimental and blind to it, some of us with more realism need to slap you all upside the head every few weeks to remind you how shit we still are as a club to know we'll never win a title unless we get a better manager.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Sky Sports flashed a stat during the first half of the Bristol City v Man City game, so far this season City have 13 goals from substitutes (the most in the Football League), Man Utd have 12. We have 1. Even without context that's a pretty awful stat.

What would be interesting to know is how many of those goals were scored in games these teams were already winning nicely and how many team goals were scored to change games after substitutions are made. Maybe better how many points were 'won' after substitutions being made.

 

[whitesocks]

As recently as 2006/7, when we first got into Europe under BMJ. So many of us were so excited to finally be back in European competition, where we belonged..

Now some of us feel we are above that competition.

It's a sad bi-product of the relative success we have had since ENIC took over.

That was the UEFA cup - a competition which had prestige and one we had won before.

I don't mind the europa league though - it is a chance to blood the kids in the group stages.
Kane and Walker, Huddlestone all got up to speed in there.

The knock-out stages are very tough especially against the CL dropouts, who've had a decent payment from the CL and could strengthen their squads for the extra fixtures.

But overall, Europa is not what Bill Nic had in mind when he spoke of europe.
Leave that competition for Arsenal, if we have the choice.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

As mentioned above, you're talking rubbish! I did not say replace Poch with Ancelotti.

Do I want Poch gone? Yes.
If he went in the summer I wouldnt shed a tear, so long as he's replaced with someone better. Ancelotti is not better than Poch imho. And that cos theres many reports that have said, Ancelotti is too hands off in training and is not a very disciplined manager the last 5 years or so.

What I would like is someone ruthless like Simeone or Conte to replace Poch. Those are the names I mentioned. Not Ancelotti!!!

If Poch stays next season - which I reckon most likely he will, - then its no less than I expect from DL.He's gotten too friendly with Poch to sack him after what Poch has done so far, and thats normal, however, I feel its going to hurt us if he allows Poch to outstay his welcome if we dont win a trophy or get top 4 by the end of the first season in NWHL.
That is my preference - to give Poch 1 year after we move into NWHL to get us top 4 or a trophy or sack him if he fails to deliver.
But if Conte or Simeone were available before then I would absolutely replace Poch with either in a heartbeat without any hesitation.

The problem with you lot is that you're all too whimsical and soft. You cant bear to sack a manager who you feel has progressed your club - even if it means you will never win a trophy. If you all carry on, We will end up like the scum where getting top 4 is basically like a trophy to you lot!!! Its not!! Get you head out of your arses and realise that we'll never be Utd, City or Chelsea stature until we win the league title.

Top 4 is only a starting point. Poch got us there but he's too crap of a manager to get us a title and since you all are too sentimental and blind to it, some of us with more realism need to slap you all upside the head every few weeks to remind you how shit we still are as a club to know we'll never win a title unless we get a better manager.

Good grief fella, that in my honest opinion was a load of tosh. Everyone entitled to their opinion though.

On a side note, Poch didn't happen to shag your Mrs or anything did he?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

That was the UEFA cup - a competition which had prestige and one we had won before.

I don't mind the europa league though - it is a chance to blood the kids in the group stages.
Kane and Walker, Huddlestone all got up to speed in there.

The knock-out stages are very tough especially against the CL dropouts, who've had a decent payment from the CL and could strengthen their squads for the extra fixtures.

But overall, Europa is not what Bill Nic had in mind when he spoke of europe.
Leave that competition for Arsenal, if we have the choice.

Bad choice of phrase fella.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

As mentioned above, you're talking rubbish! I did not say replace Poch with Ancelotti.

Do I want Poch gone? Yes.
If he went in the summer I wouldnt shed a tear, so long as he's replaced with someone better. Ancelotti is not better than Poch imho. And that cos theres many reports that have said, Ancelotti is too hands off in training and is not a very disciplined manager the last 5 years or so.

What I would like is someone ruthless like Simeone or Conte to replace Poch. Those are the names I mentioned. Not Ancelotti!!!

If Poch stays next season - which I reckon most likely he will, - then its no less than I expect from DL.He's gotten too friendly with Poch to sack him after what Poch has done so far, and thats normal, however, I feel its going to hurt us if he allows Poch to outstay his welcome if we dont win a trophy or get top 4 by the end of the first season in NWHL.
That is my preference - to give Poch 1 year after we move into NWHL to get us top 4 or a trophy or sack him if he fails to deliver.
But if Conte or Simeone were available before then I would absolutely replace Poch with either in a heartbeat without any hesitation.

The problem with you lot is that you're all too whimsical and soft. You cant bear to sack a manager who you feel has progressed your club - even if it means you will never win a trophy. If you all carry on, We will end up like the scum where getting top 4 is basically like a trophy to you lot!!! Its not!! Get you head out of your arses and realise that we'll never be Utd, City or Chelsea stature until we win the league title.

Top 4 is only a starting point. Poch got us there but he's too crap of a manager to get us a title and since you all are too sentimental and blind to it, some of us with more realism need to slap you all upside the head every few weeks to remind you how shit we still are as a club to know we'll never win a title unless we get a better manager.

This post is pure, unadulterated, AIDS

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Sky Sports flashed a stat during the first half of the Bristol City v Man City game, so far this season City have 13 goals from substitutes (the most in the Football League), Man Utd have 12. We have 1. Even without context that's a pretty awful stat.

We don't have as strong a squad as two of the richest clubs in the world. There isn't any real surprise in that.

 

[dontcallme]

We don't have as strong a squad as two of the richest clubs in the world. There isn't any real surprise in that.

I think most of us can agree that we have spent a fair amount on attacking players in recent seasons that haven’t performed.

We have to accept that this is an area for improvement.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I think most of us can agree that we have spent a fair amount on attacking players in recent seasons that haven’t performed.

We have to accept that this is an area for improvement.

Yes of course we can improve, everyone can. But when Man Utd and Man City can bring 50m players off the bench like Martial and Bernardo Silva it shows how difficult it is to compete.

 

[dontcallme]

Yes of course we can improve, everyone can. But when Man Utd and Man City can bring 50m players off the bench like Martial and Bernardo Silva it shows how difficult it is to compete.

Of course, but then we do have a much higher budget than 14 teams in the league.

We could have bought better squad players to help us beat them more often.

 

[FreddieYid]

Of course, but then we do have a much higher budget than 14 teams in the league.

Which shows how we’ve been overachieving for the last few years.

 

[dontcallme]

Which shows how we’ve been overachieving for the last few years.

I agree.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Of course, but then we do have a much higher budget than 14 teams in the league.

We could have bought better squad players to help us beat them more often.

We finished 2nd last season and 3rd the season before that. I think we've been pretty well on that front tbh.

 

[beats1]

Which shows how we’ve been overachieving for the last few years.

TBH I dont think we have, we have just been doing what our par is

At the end of the day, if we dont win anything with this current team, it will be a disappointing era

We will be like the tottenham team under harry, we always look back at it and think wow, what a team we had and there is a sense of disappointment that we didnt achieve anything. We will be like Newcastle in the 90's

Of course under those two managers, it felt a better manager would have got us further and I dont feel the same way about poch

 

[dontcallme]

We finished 2nd last season and 3rd the season before that. I think we've been pretty well on that front tbh.

No, we have done well overall. I am not disputing that.

What I am saying is we have made too many signings recently which haven't worked out resulting in us not having strong enough bench options. This is what the discussion was.

I am not discussing how well we are doing overall, I have always expressed extreme happiness with our performances overall.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

TBH I dont think we have, we have just been doing what our par is

At the end of the day, if we dont win anything with this current team, it will be a disappointing era

We will be like the tottenham team under harry, we always look back at it and think wow, what a team we had and there is a sense of disappointment that we didnt achieve anything. We will be like Newcastle in the 90's

Of course under those two managers, it felt a better manager would have got us further and I dont feel the same way about poch

You see, the thing is, you still remember that Newcastle team of the nineties. Why ? Because you remember it was a great team that played great football, even though they won nothing. I bet that team is more prominent in your memory than the Wigan or Portsmouth teams that won the FA CUP or the Birmingham or Swansea teams that won the league cup much more recently.

I wouldn't swap winning the league cup final against Chelsea two years ago, for the 3rd and 2nd seasons that followed, because I know just about anyone can win the league cup (within reason), it proves nothing about your football, but it's a great team who can sustain results over 38 games against the best in the country.

I've been there to watch us win most of the trophies we've won from 1981 onwards, and that 81 replay will always be special, I was a 15yo kid, football and my perspectives were a bit different then, but I wouldn't swap any of the subsequent domestic cup wins for last season. I've waited a long time for us to be a proper football team, and I don't mean the "chuck a bunch of great individuals into a lottery machine and spin it" Redknapp bollocks, I mean a proper football team, that is coached, applies tactics, collectively, works hard, competes and plays some great football, goes into every game feeling like we will not only win but outplay the opposition too.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

No, we have done well overall. I am not disputing that.

What I am saying is we have made too many signings recently which haven't worked out resulting in us not having strong enough bench options. This is what the discussion was.

I am not discussing how well we are doing overall, I have always expressed extreme happiness with our performances overall.

As I said. If we had more money, we could pay higher wages for bench options, and therefore have an overall stronger squad. Instead we have to take chances on players like GKN and Janssen I hope they step up. Unfortunately when you buy potential it isn't always realised. Our current financial reality means thats the market we're shopping in i'm afraid.

 

[dontcallme]

As I said. If we had more money, we could pay higher wages for bench options, and therefore have an overall stronger squad. Instead we have to take chances on players like GKN and Janssen I hope they step up. Unfortunately when you buy potential it isn't always realised. Our current financial reality means thats the market we're shopping in i'm afraid.

I don't think it is purely a financial issue. Many quality players are identified who don't cost the earth.

We have done very well putting our first team together withinour budget.

Looking at our backup strikers. We have spent around £35m on two strikers. One a young Dutch international new to the league and the other an experienced striker who has scored in several different leagues including in his first season in the Prem.

Neither have worked out and I don't think we can simply write it off as a financial issue. We have identified the wrong players in these cases.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I don't think it is purely a financial issue. Many quality players are identified who don't cost the earth.

We have done very well putting our first team together withinour budget.

Looking at our backup strikers. We have spent around £35m on two strikers. One a young Dutch international new to the league and the other an experienced striker who has scored in several different leagues including in his first season in the Prem.

Neither have worked out and I don't think we can simply write it off as a financial issue. We have identified the wrong players in these cases.

Of course we could work smarter but so could every club. I definitely seen the sense in both those striking signings - Janssen is the kind of player that if we didn't take a chance on fans would be moaning that we should have signed him earlier before his price doubled. And Llorente is proven in at every level, so was a no brainer.

We can be better at transfers but considering how we've been competing with 3/4 of the richest teams in the world and coming out on top regularly in recent seasons, while operating on a fraction of a budget, I think our recruitment has been pretty good.

 

[Shadydan]

I don't think it is purely a financial issue. Many quality players are identified who don't cost the earth.

We have done very well putting our first team together withinour budget.

Looking at our backup strikers. We have spent around £35m on two strikers. One a young Dutch international new to the league and the other an experienced striker who has scored in several different leagues including in his first season in the Prem.

Neither have worked out and I don't think we can simply write it off as a financial issue. We have identified the wrong players in these cases.

Our defensive and defensive midfield signings have been very good, the attacking players not so good and there's a reason for that...attacking players command a higher premium than defensive players and we simply cannot pay enough to get the best or up and coming talent through the door.