The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[JimmyG2]

If you are on a train journey
how does it help to get off the train before the end.
Look out the window
Have a meal
Chat to the Guard,
Enjoy the company
Read the travel brochures about the destination
Relax, enjoy.

Well," said Pooh, "what I like best," and then he had to stop and think. Because although Eating Honey was a very good thing to do, there was a moment just before you began to eat it which was better than when you were, but he didn't know what it was called.”
― A.A. Milne, Winnie-the-Pooh
'Anticipation' Pooh

 

[guiltyparty]

If you are on a train journey
how does it help to get off the train before the end.
Look out the window
Have a meal
Chat to the Guard,
Enjoy the company
Read the travel brochures about the destination
Relax, enjoy.

Well," said Pooh, "what I like best," and then he had to stop and think. Because although Eating Honey was a very good thing to do, there was a moment just before you began to eat it which was better than when you were, but he didn't know what it was called.”
― A.A. Milne, Winnie-the-Pooh
'Anticipation' Pooh

“If we didn’t stick together then we would be very lost indeed”

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Football is different now than in 1986. I don't think Ferguson would have been very successful if he started in 2014, not 1986. I'm getting tired of derailing this debate by superficial and light-weight comments connected to football in the past. I'd like it if we for once could simply have rational arguments about Pochettino as things stand now, without the evergreen default of "did you see us in the 90's" or "Ferguson this, Ferguson that". It must be OK to look at Pochettino right now, in 2018, as things stand.

I think we should leave the stadium out of it. It's not down to him, it's not grander, better, or more extravagant because of him, and it would have happened even if Pardew was the manager. "The stadium" is one of those faulty, light-weight, contentless arguments. "But, but, but, look at the stadium". Well, this is the Pochettino-thread, not the the "Bright and shiny staidum thread".

Please post a list of thread etiquette so that we know what is and isn't allowed in ESworld

 

[Deleted member 27995]

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I'm still waiting to hear if we are worse off or not right now.

The suspense is killing me.

 

[Gb160]

Have to say, i find @JimmyG2's posting style quite odd at times, but this morning im finding it almost therapeutic.

 

[muppetman]

Hopefully some are sleeping off yesterday's booze this morning and have a bit of perspective. We used to laugh at Arsenal's sense of entitlement but here we are, repeating much of the same old shit.

Gutted about yesterday but I'm keeping it in perspective. My wishlist for the season was:
- Get out of the group stage in CL
- Get top 4
- Decent run in the cups

all of this whilst playing at Wembley, so all in all I think we are doing well - just need to make sure we don't fuck it up over the last few games which I don't believe we will. COYS

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Please post a list of thread etiquette so that we know what is and isn't allowed in ESworld

Not a bad idea, actually. I'll get right on that.

I'm still waiting to hear if we are worse off or not right now.

The suspense is killing me.

What I think is simple. Achieve CL for the third season in a row, and those CL achievements, on an aggregated basis, will be an incredible accomplishment. In fact probably a better achievement than wining the domestic cup. Fail at securing CL for this season from a prime position with a few matches left, and I think that will the most grave and flawfull under-achievement of the entire Pochettino reign.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

What I think is simple. Achieve CL for the third season in a row, and those CL achievements, on an aggregated basis, will be an incredible accomplishment. In fact probably a better achievement than wining the domestic cup. Fail at securing CL for this season from a prime position with a few matches left, and I think that will the most grave and flawfull under-achievement of the entire Pochettino reign.

So don't lose 4th otherwise we're worse off.

Got it.

 

[Gassin's finest]

If that's the goal, he isn't succeeding really well yet.

Case in point...

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Ok enough doom.
Season reflection,
We beat Arsenal
We beat Man U
We beat Liverpool
We beat Chelsea
We beat Real Madrid
We beat Dortmund
We look set to get cl football next season in our new stadium.
We did this playing at Wembley.

Could have been a worse season.

Just so gutting to lose in that manner.
Being outplayed and beaten by a better team is much easier to deal with.

We didn’t win FA Cup
We didn’t get to last 8 of CL
We didn’t win the league cup
We can still finish outside Top 4

For those great victories you mention a failure to achieve top 4 will be seen as very disappointing

 

[Shadydan]

We need to asses how he's performed at the end of the season not now, personally I'm gonna mark him against my expectations before the season kicked off and according to them he's over achieving yet again. Obviously disappointed not to win a trophy yet again but that was always seen as a bonus.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Case in point...

That's it. I also find it a little bit worrisome that after 4 full seasons, the top 3 arguments pro Pochettino (in random order) are:

Remember the 90s? (So shut up)
Bright and shiny stadium (So shut up)
Alex Ferguson (So shut up)

Stadium? Seriously? Should a fan care more about the silvery facade on the club's stadium, or the silver in the trophy cabinet?

 

[diamond lights]

The funniest thing on SC is people taking any hint of criticism and conflating it with wanting someone gone and get extremely defensive. It’s amazing.

It's not a hint of criticism that gets me - it's an implied sense of entitlement and an aggressive slagging off of the best manager we've had in decades.

You would assume the people criticising are experts at top level sport by the way they make their points.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

That's it. I also find it a little bit worrisome that after 4 full seasons, the top 3 arguments pro Pochettino (in random order) are:

Remember the 90s? (So shut up)
Bright and shiny stadium (So shut up)
Alex Ferguson (So shut up)

Stadium? Seriously? Should a fan care more about the silvery facade on the club's stadium, or the silver in the trophy cabinet?

Surely the pro arguments are that he’s been by far our most consistently high achieving manager in the PL era, and has finished in CL spaces (unless disaster strikes) 3 seasons running, despite having to compete against clubs with far bigger budgets than us? There are negatives, and his management in big games is a genuine concern. But those arguments you’ve put forward are not reflective of reality.

 

[Buggsy61]

We are all gutted today, but need to put it into perspective. We have come a long way in the last 4 years, but are competing against teams who are spending multiples of what we are spending, both in transfer fees and wages, so its not all about 'bottling it' as the media mantra would suggest.
If we can keep things together, and with the new stadium finances we should be able to compete on a more level playing field pretty soon.
Poch won't be with us for ever, has made mistakes like we all do, but he's done a hell of a lot for us.
The team looks a bit tired to be honest, so just hope we can regroup in the next few days and get over the line for top 4.

 

[TwanYid]

Amazed how all the tactical geniuses on here are doing other things with their lives rather than managing top level teams.

I'm 50 so have supported a lot of shit Spurs teams.

In judging Poch and whether I am happy with him I use some simple logic.

- What was it like before he arrived?
- Is he a decent human being?
- Do we play good football?
- Is the club cohesive?
- Do the players give 100% for him?
- Are we competing at the top level?
- Does evidence suggest another manger would do better?
, and that is
Is he perfect? - no but he is providing me with far more good match days than bad.

I love the man - a lot of fans should be careful what they wish for.

I wish I could give a new "Winner"-rating for this post every single day I come on here, so that by the end of the season you'd have hundreds of them. The above comment sums everything up perfectly, and this is coming from a guy who was furious yesterday at Poch's tactics, which were awful (Lamela, for one, should've started against a Jose-team in a Cup semi imo, an unfit Kane should not have and yes, I think Lloris should've started as well, and maybe even Toby...oh, and at the very least, he should've seen that Son was getting marked out of existence and should've brought him off at the Half for Lamela. We needed steel in this game; not a cuddly teddy bear). HOWEVER, in spite of my misgivings about him as a game-manager (I think he gets a lot wrong as far as IN-game goes), he is by FAR the best thing to ever happen to us- and I happen to be 50 as well (although admittedly I'm a younger Yiddo than you, as I've been supporting our beloved club since 2003).

Point is, some of the anti-Poch stuff on here- ESPECIALLY the "He's taken us as far as he can/he needs to go"-type drivel is, frankly, embarrassing and shameful. People who sprout excrement like that need to have a word with themselves; our club is incredible now, and that is 99.9% down to him.

Get rid of him?!?

Fuck me sideways with an open can of tuna and a rusty fork.

 

[E17yid]

Not bothered. FA cup is shit anyway.

 

[DCSPUR]

Amazed how all the tactical geniuses on here are doing other things with their lives rather than managing top level teams.

I'm 50 so have supported a lot of shit Spurs teams.

In judging Poch and whether I am happy with him I use some simple logic.

- What was it like before he arrived?
- Is he a decent human being?
- Do we play good football?
- Is the club cohesive?
- Do the players give 100% for him?
- Are we competing at the top level?
- Does evidence suggest another manger would do better?

Is he perfect? - no but he is providing me with far more good match days than bad.

I love the man - a lot of fans should be careful what they wish for.

one million recommends for capturing everything I am feeling about our leader

 

[DCSPUR]

Wise words: https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ter-united-cup-semi-final-mauricio-pochettino

 

[yankspurs]

It's not a hint of criticism that gets me - it's an implied sense of entitlement and an aggressive slagging off of the best manager we've had in decades.

You would assume the people criticising are experts at top level sport by the way they make their points.

Aggressive? Pointed criticism is not aggressive and it is certainly not calling for him to sacked like you and apprently alot of people seem to believe.