The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[srups34]

The media blackout since the defeat has been weird! Can’t remember a time spurs/any player hasn’t tweeted all day? Strange!

Some of our fans should do the same, the amount of shit some of them are coming out with on social media is embarrassing.

 

[srups34]

Bad result, yes, bad team no. The fact we’re pissed to be losing to Man U managed by Jose Mourinho with one of the most expensive squads in history shows how far we’ve come under this manager.

Mourinho wrote the book on winning cup competitions, the histrionics and late substitutions killed us dead after 75 minutes, was that an accident?

Poch is the best thing that has happened to this club in two generations and the abuse he’s got on this thread is shameful, you’re either Arsenal infiltrators to SC or deserve to be wearing red. They’ve just driven the most successful manager in PL history out the door, just rock up down their place they’ll be happy to have you.

Success isn’t just about winning a trophy, it’s balanced against where you’ve come from. We had Tim Sherwood managing us a few years ago, let that sink in, Tim Sherwood, with a squad in complete disarray and we were a complete laughing stock.

We don’t have the money that any of the top 6 have, not even close, yet we consistently play at that level punching far above our weight.

Now we’ve challenged for the league, beaten Arsenal on the pitch and in the league, played amazing footballl, rattled the general order of things to the point that the media stabs us in the back any chance they can. They don’t like a team in ‘red’ outside the top 4.....yet that’s not enough for you lot, you back them up with your horse s**t comments. Poch sees this, he’s shown that this weekend and he’s not happy.

Fine, if you can’t back the man and show some respect and patience you aren’t Spurs, you don’t know why Glory is, you don’t know where we’ve come from and cannot for a second see where we are going if we keep this guy at the helm. Back Poch, back the team and keep your stupid comments to yourself or risk losing them, cos if Poch goes so will most of the squad and pretty much everything that has been built too.

Freedom to have an opinion comes with the responsibility to know when to keep your trap shut FFS.

Beautiful post Sir.

 

[Sevens]

I suppose the problem I have is that at the end of the day for all the chatter about not spending enough money - Utd beat us with two past it wingers at full back.

It's easy to stop us. Excluding moments of brilliance (Wanyama's strike for example) we effectively we basically create through three primary outlets. Wide areas (wing backs), set pieces and Eriksen. If the opposition stop Eriksen then we usually struggle. All Mourinho did was tell his full backs to stay disciplined, instantly nullifying our width and after 30 minutes he told their central two to hold station and stop roaming. And that was it.

It was pretty obvious that we weren't going to win the match anyway. The message was loud and clear that the FA Cup isn't important. The players have a World Cup coming up and I am sure some of them will be happy for the season to finish a week earlier.

 

[buckley]

poch is magic the anti Poch view if successful will see us on a downward spiral if it leads to him quitting
How many times must I say that as a fan since 7years old in 1951 that posh is the best we have had since Bill Nicolson
please please please lay off the man and let him take us forward as he has over the last four years

 

[SPURSLIFE]

I'm not sure if you are serious or on a wind up to try and lighten the mood. Who on earth is suggesting those 3 arguments ? You want arguments for Pochettino then I'd suggest these:

- The prior 2 seasons were the first time since the mid-1980s we had been anywhere close to a title chase, even if we ultimately failed (as we did in the 80s)
- Our net spend in his period is close to zero, significantly less than our nearest 5 competitors
- Our wage bill is the 6th highest in the league and yet we have finished 3rd and 2nd and will hopefully finish in the top 4 again
- We have gone from hoping we might scrape CL to making it reasonably comfortably for 3 season on the trot (again I'm assuming no implosion in the final 4 games)
- He is one of the few coaches in the league that is able to both improve the players and make the team more than the sum of its parts

If anyone can't see that the only thing at the club that should really give us any optimism for the future is Mauricio Pochettino then I just despair. If he said he wanted to leave Spurs then every top club across Europe, bar Citeh, would be interested in him - Madrid, ManU, PSG, Bayern. If all the club's other employees were as excellent in their jobs as our manager is in his, and I include our dear Chairman in this, then we'd be competing with City even allowing for the massive financial disadvantage we have.

I'm not sure the top clubs in Europe would take a chance on Poch as none of them take on managers that have not won anything.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Dembele who I hear was total shite on Saturday comes off but is replaced by wanyama.
Kinda somes up the problem, if it's not Dembele it's a DM or sissoko.

Kane does nothing for 3 games but is still more useful doing nothing than llorente doing nothing.

He's doing great things with players that we have .
I think we, myself included have massively overrated alot of the players at the club. With a decent manager in charge I think we'd be battling arsenal for 6th

 

[Graysonti]

Hey, he’s got faults but the guy is first class on and off pitch.

Love him.

Some of the football been scintillating.

Let’s support and get behind him.

 

[nailsy]

I disagree with this - he does need more money - he has done fantastic and is great at bringing through young players but if we want to win titles/cups, etc. on a regular basis we need to significantly increase our spending.

Imagine if we actually went out and signed a world class forward.

I'm not sure the top clubs in Europe would take a chance on Poch as none of them take on managers that have not won anything.

That's not really true....Pep at Barca, Zidane at Real, Conte at Juventus, Moyes at United, Enrique at Barca. And Kovac has just been announced at Bayern.

 

[lol]

crazy how you guys are slating him. just gotta improve his game management skills and he'd be a world class manager

 

[Lou3000]

I think we need to recognize that Poch is STILL outperforming his squad. I love our current roster, but I honestly think the players are a solid 6th place team with a manager that is getting 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place positions out of them. I have Kane, Eriksen, Dele, Vertonghen and Alderweireld in a class all to themselves. But would Trippier, Davies, Dembele, Lamela or Son be starting for United or City right now? And when the 60 minute mark arrives, does a fresh Wanyama or Sissoko bring more to the table than a tired Dele? There's Poch's tactical dilemma. He's starting all the quality we have, and he knows that when he goes to the bench, he's got to accept a huge drop in performance.

Unless we magically transform into an oil club, Poch is the best manager in the world for us.

 

[thfc1973]

He's doing great things with players that we have .
I think we, myself included have massively overrated alot of the players at the club. With a decent manager in charge I think we'd be battling arsenal for 6th

That's just nonsense!
Bringing in another manager would make our existing players bang average? No way.

The talent is there. There's no denying it.
We've bought players that are worth more than we paid for them, apart from 1 or 2 of the latter players like Serge and Sissoko.

No way have we outperformed, and no way are most of our players overrated. No way.
Most would walk into any of the top teams in Europe.

Yes Poch has got the best out of some players but the ones that don't perform at the best of their abilities consistently just goes to show how hard it is to get the best out of certain players on a regular basis. The rest only have odd days of playing crap.

The manager makes a difference sure, but the talent is there for all to see.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

I sometimes think that Poch is to laid back as he shows in the press conferences or after match comments to really get his message across at the crucial stages before or after matches. I'm sure that Mourinho was very aggressive in his half time talk on Saturday where as Poch was calm and maybe not a lot of fire. Now obviously I don't know as I wasn't in there but going by what we see every week I don't see Poch as the screamer shouting type it's just not in his nature. But when we have needed some aggressive talking in certain important games this season i'm not sure he can give it. I certainly don't like Mourinho's way of humiliating his players in public and blaming everybody but himself when things aren't going well but he knows how to win the important games. He's supposed to have not been successful yet at Utd. but he has won 3 trophies including the Europa cup which he needed to get in the CL and could win the FACup this year. If that's failure I wouldn't mind some of it. I want Poch to succeed and win things with us but I must admit I would like to see a bit of anger now and again that could pass through to the players. They certainly needed a kick up the arse in the second half on Saturday.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

It took Ferguson 4 years to win a Trophy and 7 years to win the league at Utd. That was in a time where there wasn’t the ridiculous money involved and the huge imbalance between the haves and have nots. I’m not trying to compare Poch to Ferguson but it takes time to transform a club, change the ethic and the fortunes. We’ve been close to winning but not done it but that shouldn’t take away from the huge amount of positive change at the club since Poch has been in charge.

The future should continue to be positive. It might take Poch longer than Ferguson to break through with a win but it will come and we should enjoy this team until that moment and then celebrate once we get there.

 

[coys200]

After 4 years maybe Poch should think about bringing in a fresh voice on the training team just to freshen it up. Fergie did it every 3/4 years and it seemed to work well and was often spoken about as one of the keys to his success. Interesting Wenger would never entertain such an idea and look how stale it got. Also interesting that personally think Belgium will go very close in the World Cup. If they win it there’s no way we could let Toby go. Imagine having 2 world cup winners in the heart of your defence. That’s just the sort of thing that may give us the winning mentality.

 

[eddiev14]

FWIW, last night I asked JJ on Twitter if the manager will be there next season.

He said “yes I believe so”.

 

[beats1]

Mock as much as you like but they will finish 2nd in the PL so their defence can’t be so bad.

Thats more down to mourinho than their level of quality

 

[Khilari]

I sometimes think that Poch is to laid back as he shows in the press conferences or after match comments to really get his message across at the crucial stages before or after matches. I'm sure that Mourinho was very aggressive in his half time talk on Saturday where as Poch was calm and maybe not a lot of fire. Now obviously I don't know as I wasn't in there but going by what we see every week I don't see Poch as the screamer shouting type it's just not in his nature. But when we have needed some aggressive talking in certain important games this season i'm not sure he can give it. I certainly don't like Mourinho's way of humiliating his players in public and blaming everybody but himself when things aren't going well but he knows how to win the important games. He's supposed to have not been successful yet at Utd. but he has won 3 trophies including the Europa cup which he needed to get in the CL and could win the FACup this year. If that's failure I wouldn't mind some of it. I want Poch to succeed and win things with us but I must admit I would like to see a bit of anger now and again that could pass through to the players. They certainly needed a kick up the arse in the second half on Saturday.

Seems unlikely - all reports from players suggest he demands loyalty and blood and guts on the pitch and training.
Reading his biography by Ballague makes him sound fairly the opposite of laid back.

 

[LeParisien]

We'll be paying off the stadium for some time and I don't expect us to make a massive leap in either wages or transfer fee - however I do think there will be some increase but not to put us on a level playing field with any of the other top 6.

I don’t think we need to worry about that. There’s a a couple of hundred million at most to worry about. We may not feel any effect - we may feel it for at most a couple years.

 

[Shadydan]

That's just nonsense!
Bringing in another manager would make our existing players bang average? No way.

The talent is there. There's no denying it.
We've bought players that are worth more than we paid for them, apart from 1 or 2 of the latter players like Serge and Sissoko.

No way have we outperformed, and no way are most of our players overrated. No way.
Most would walk into any of the top teams in Europe.

Yes Poch has got the best out of some players but the ones that don't perform at the best of their abilities consistently just goes to show how hard it is to get the best out of certain players on a regular basis. The rest only have odd days of playing crap.

The manager makes a difference sure, but the talent is there for all to see.

Where were we before Poch arrived?

 

[allatsea]

Where were we before Poch arrived?

And/or what players have joined the first team squad and/or matured since Poch arrived ?