Mauricio Pochettino

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  1. Ray_Evans

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    Poch is already up there with the best of Spurs' best for me.

    His teams have the fighting spirit of Bill Nick's...I can think of no higher praise.
     
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  2. TheHood

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    Good manager on a par with Redknapp, long way to go before he could be considered on the level of a Burkinshaw let alone Nicholson. The manager I have most affection for was Jol. After growing up in the '90s that '05 side was the first I saw that represented real change in the club.
     
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  3. Shea

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    Easily the best manager in my spurs life time in my opinion

    I only date back as far as Venables who won an FA cup and achieved a 3rd place league finish but I think it was more to do with Gazza than his work as a manager (although I was so young my opinion of that time is pretty meritless)

    Other than that it's hard to pick out a candidate

    There was a lot of pretty awful managers like Gerry Francis, Gross, Graham (altough like Venables he won silverware)

    Jol was the first manager to reinstall any sort of pride in the club I feel, his time was around the time we began our assent from midtable mediocrity to challenging for top four and playing in Europe so much we now take it for granted

    Ramos started well, won silverware but ended so very badly

    Redknapp certainly had the best, most glamorous period as manager until now potentially

    AVB was a mixed bag and polarises opinions

    Poch is probably the first since Jol to be liked by pretty much all fans, his success has already brought us our highest EPL finish and our first ever title run and I think for me personally his time at the club has been the most proud of our team I have ever been

    I guess things could still go tits up and like AVB he'd become a figure of divided opinion but as of now he's a clear winner in the race for the best manager of my time and I certainly hope he goes on to reinforce that in the coming years
     
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  4. ljinko888

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    I think every fan will have a dream and wish but reality hits you quick and reality for me was seeing our club being run into the ground in the 90s, being a feeder club to the top dogs....lads it's Tottenham.

    I liked Martin Jol's tenure for the most part [up to the end] but we were still seen as plucky underdogs by then. Key players saw their ambitions elsewhere. It was unfortunate but at that stage we weren't sustainable.

    I liked Harry's tenure - entertaining football, emerging stars and he had a good eye for a signing. But I didn't really take to him. Having Harry as your manager gives a different perspective to seeing him as an outsider where he is one of the game's characters. I'm grateful for him coming in at the time he did and ultimately leading us to two Top 4 finishes. However I wasn't sad when he left. The England thing - coupled by his somewhat this is as good as you'll ever get attitude towards fans soured it a bit. He was the right man at the right time - and I believe that sums up his career well.

    Poch is the first manager who I have genuine optimism under. He's raised expectations and it's the first time we have management and players singing off the same song sheet. They want to progress together. They are progressing together. Other clubs are envious of how we've done it. But unlike in years gone by they can't tap up our players and they can't poach our manager. Give kudos to Levy whose overseen the changes and taken flack over the years - by design or by circumstances - we are on the road for big things.
     
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  5. Bus-Conductor

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    Sorry mate, have to disagree. Pochettino pisses all over Redknapp in every way, the football we play, the coaching the tactical application. I go back to Terry Neill and Pochettino is without a shadow of doubt the best coach I've seen at Spurs. I loved watching that Burkinshaw team but they couldn't defend and in retrospect I feel let down that he wasted probably the best group of offensive players we've ever had at one time (in context of the time and opposition), at a time when we had no piers financially, we could compete with ManU and Arsenal for any player (and did and often won Linaker, Waddle, Gascoigne, Brazil etc). Under Burkinshaw we were like Arsenal have been for the last few years, played great football - the best in the league - but never competed for the title.

    The only time we've been remotely as "complete" and tactically efficient was that brief spell under Pleat in 86/7.

    Pochettino is managing in the toughest, fittest, most talented and tactically proficient English league there has ever been. None of the contenders (Burkinshaw, Pleat, Jole, Redknapp) had it this tough, yet none achieved what he has.
     
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  6. Lemon

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    The FA cup would be very fitting this season, think we'll win it.
     
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  7. Dov67

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    Love how he is changing the mentality of the whole club

    He said: “It is not enough simply to be in the top four, five or six, or play in the Europa League. The most important step is that the players believe they can achieve their dream.

    “If you think Tottenham is the right place for that, we will be very close to winning trophies. It is the first time it has happened for me, that so many players extend their contracts and show their commitment to the club.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...s-club-can-win-several-trophies-a3462561.html

    Compare and contrast with the self serving BS we got from Harry that struggling to reach to the Top 4 (and failing) was the very best we could hope, the pinnacle of what Tottenham Hostpur could ever expect to achieve.

    That's why his name should not be mentioned in the same sentence as Pochetinno.
     
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  8. robertgoulet

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    Will be the FA/Europa double and finish 2nd.
     
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  9. spurs9

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    He has already surpassed him in league performances, as Burkinshaw didn't finish higher than 4th in the top league (he did finish 3rd in Div 2) but cup wise, yeah, a long way to go. It took Burkinshaw 5 seasons to get his first cup though.
     
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  10. TheHood

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    I don't see how anyone could say that he pisses over Redknapp when their respective results at the club are relatively comparable. Pochettinho succeeded in achieving our highest league placing in the PL era but Redknapp achieved far greater success in his CL campaign. Neither have won anything at the club despite the resources available to them. And that should be thee measure here because the bar was set by Burkinshaw and it has yet to be matched let alone surpassed in over 30 years. The irony about your comments about Burkinshaw is that apply more so to Redknapp who largely squandered that side. To have that personnel available and to not win anything says something. Sadly I suspect we are doing the same now, we are following the same strategy as before so why would the outcome be any different but I hope I am wrong in that regard. I would certainly dispute the notion that this is the most talented and tactically proficient English league there has been. I think the standard and quality of the league has regressed in recent years and that has been reflected in the dismal European campaigns by English sides.
     
  11. Luka Van der Bale

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    Sorry but it's incredibly obvious how much more sustainable the success of this side is than that of Redknapp's.

    Also, compare our side which had a massive run at the top 4 in 2005-06 to Everton's current side, which can't get near the top 6. Of course the depth of quality in this league has improved. That can't be denied. We have no side of the quality of the chelsea or United sides of that era, thus the lack of competing in the latter stages of the CL, but every other position in the league from about 4th down is as strong as it's been.
     
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  12. TheHood

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    If it so obvious then why not state the rationale for such a statement? In what way is this side more sustainable than that one?

    As Everton, well they are 5 points off sixth spot and are the top of the PL form guide so it is presumptuous to make such a claim. I also don't see the relevance in such a comparison.

    You could equally use Arsenal as a measure of the quality of that Spurs side in that it was one food positioning case away from finishing above arguably the most talented Arsenal side in history.
     
  13. TottenhamMattSpur

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    I thought you only cared about cups?
    Redknapp and Jol didn't win any.
    Surely your favourite managers are Graham and Ramos?
     
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    Yes because that is exactly what I stated isn't is?

    I care about talented sides realising their potential and not wasting it.
     
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  15. Luka Van der Bale

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    1) We have the youngest squad in the league.

    2) Our transfer policy is in the main to buy young, promising talent eg Dier Alli Davies Lopez Wimmer Nkoudou Janssen, supplemented by the occasional prime signing such as Toby and Wanyama. This had also been the case pre-Redknapp, but he quite clearly put a stop to that policy for short-term gain.

    3) Pochettino is putting a lot of effort into bringing through players from our academy, which Harry didn't.

    4) Redknapp was in his early 60s. We all knew that wouldn't last, and throughout his tenure wondered who was coming next. Poch is in his 40s and talking about being here for the long haul.

    5) Redknapp's style of play was based on taking talented players and just letting them do their thing. We relied on individual talent from the likes of Modric, Bale and Van der Vaart. Pochettino has built a system which is more important than any individual, as evidenced by Kane, Toby, Vert, Lamela and Rose all having long-term injuries and us sitting in second. We have a clear philosophy to our play now - the high press, the pure physical domination of sides, quick transitions and fluid movement. Under Harry it was a case of just letting talented players do whatever they want. That's a great way to be entertaining. It's no way to win a title.

    6) We finished 3rd in Poch's second season, and so far this season are on course to match or better that. Redknapp finished 4th twice, which tbf was great. But Pochettino has achieved as much as (I'd argue more than) Redknapp in less time.

    7) The way Pochettino has developed young players is nothing short of astounding. Walker, Rose, Dembele, Dier, Vert, Mason, Lamela, Alli, Kane and for a short spell Bentaleb all came on tremendously under him. More will do the same.

    8) Compare the team now to the team then. Bar Modric and Bale, would anyone then get into the team now? I'd argue not. Sustainable success.

    Edit: 9) Mentality and ambition. Harry told us we were as good as we could ever be, and to finish 4th was a dream. Pochettino says 4th is not enough - his sentiments are that a club such as Tottenham should be winning things. He is looking at chelsea, not over our shoulder. Long-term, over the next few seasons, this is the key point of all. He's building a club to win things over a number of years. Harry was very much just about short term success from season to season.
     
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  16. TheHood

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    1. And? That doesn't mean it is sustainable, sustainable is being able to retain the players that you have. Our rentention scope hasn't altered in the last 5 years, we are dependent on our best players such as Kane and Ali much like we were with Bale and Modric.

    2. Our transfer policy has been that way since the days of Arnesen, this is something that is new. That policy may have slowed in the Redknapp era but it still resulted in the likes of Walker, Sandro who played major parts in that side.

    3. The Academy system has be to good enough for players to be brought though. There is little sense in bringing players though if the out isn't good enough. So far the only Academy players that he has brought into squad have been Onomah and Winks with only one them demonstrating that he has a future at club. Let's not forget that it was Redknapp who brought Kane into the squad and who gave him his first game in the squad. It was also Redknapp who brought Sherwood to club and whether you like him or not played a very large part in the development of the careers of the likes of Kane and Bentaleb.

    4 Age is irrelevant in the game where the average tenure of a league manager is just over a year. The concept of a long term manager is long dead, he has done well just to have survived this long.

    5. I was no fan of Redknapp but the notion that he operated in such a simplistic manner is somewhat absurd. You do not achieve those league placings and a CL quarter if that is all you have. And you can talk about systems all you want but it still is dependent on the talent that is available. The side has shown it accommodate injuries to one its stars( barely in the case of Kane) and so it should with the players available but we have yet to see how durable it would be if these injuries came at the same time.

    6. Pochettinho finished one place above him and is one course to finish anywhere between 2nd and 5th. The differential between the placings is minimal.

    7. Redknapp was instrumental in the development of the careers of Modric, Bale, Walker and Rose. Modric was terrible when he first arrived, that was reversed by moving him out wide and brininging him back into the centre when he was ready nearly season later. It was also Redknapp who started the process of Bale moving to become a wing forward whilst it he who turned Rose into a left back. It was also his use of the loan system that has came a massive bearing on the careers of the likes of Rose, Walker and Kane.

    8. I think the likes of VDV, King and Sandro from that time would also make a strong play to get into this side.

    9. Redknapp said on a number of occasions that the side had a title in it, like every other manager his opinions would change when the facts do and that will be the same with Pochettinho. Managerial talk is cheap, there comes a point that it has to be realised and until that actually happens is doesn't actually account for anything.

    As I stated before none what you say really relates to sustainability. Sustainabilty relates to capacity, resources and retention and there had been no discernible alterations in these areas so I don't see how you can make such a claim.
     
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    I hope Levy offers him a longer contract so that he can build several generations of great teams like what Fergie did for United.
     
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  18. yido_number1

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    Modric wasn't terrible when he first arrived he just took time to adapt and also had his leg broken by Lee Bowyer if memory serves correct.
    Bale did improve under Redknapp but for large parts of his time with him we considered selling Bale as he couldn't win a game. AVB turned Bale into the monster he became.
    Walker was pretty poor under Redknapp and has only really been achieving his potential under Poch.
    Rose was pushed to left back Sunderland not Redknapp and we all wanted him gone until Poch made him the winner and best left back in the league. Rose even said he never got coaching to play the position under Redknapp.

    Yes we played some great stuff under Redknapp but we always lacked the winning mentality and we fell at the final hurdle almost every time.

    Compare that to what Poch has done with Walker, Rose, Eriksen, Kane, Alli, Dier, Lamela and Dembele and you should be able to spot the difference. Redknapp get's fourth and its the best we could hope for. Also don't forget Redknapp basically saying we should of sold Modric to Chelsea. Could you imagine Poch doing the same? Poch get's third and wants to gut half the players and change the mentality. Spot the winner.
     
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  19. tiger666

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    Walker was far from poor under Redknapp. He won PFA young player of the year 2011/12 and was named in the 2011/12 team of the year.

    We did not ALL want Rose gone at all.
     
  20. yido_number1

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    After being loaned out and developed for two seasons with Villa and QPR who actually contributed to his development. The majority vote in the Rose thread was get shot. Redknapp did absolutely nothing for Rose and he said as much in a recent interview.
     

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