The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[buckley]

The sound of spoilt brats stamping their feet whilst saying " I want Trophies now" is deafening.
Its been said many times that to become challengers for the big stuff you need Abramovich or oil rich arabs with limitless funds.
Otherwise you need patience to build the club slowly with solid foundations and once we get into the new gaff I believe that more funds will come available to Poch to take us where we want to go.
And so as difficult as it is patience is required because if you want or demand cups now perhaps you are following the wrong club and you can do what most pot hunters do switch allegiance to Man Until or Liverpool OR Chelsea or Man City because they have the cash to fund trophy winning sides and at this moment we do not have this asset but will in the future and so I say patience is required.
If you throw Wenger at me as a winner that did not need endless funds then I agree with you.
But I believe and have faith that with patience and time Poch can do the same for us.

 

[SpursDave88]

The sound of spoilt brats stamping their feet whilst saying " I want Trophies now" is deafening.
Its been said many times that to become challengers for the big stuff you need Abramovich or oil rich arabs with limitless funds.
Otherwise you need patience to build the club slowly with solid foundations and once we get into the new gaff I believe that more funds will come available to Poch to take us where we want to go.
And so as difficult as it is patience is required because if you want or demand cups now perhaps you are following the wrong club and you can do what most pot hunters do switch allegiance to Man Until or Liverpool OR Chelsea or Man City because they have the cash to fund trophy winning sides and at this moment we do not have this asset but will in the future and so I say patience is required.
If you throw Wenger at me as a winner that did not need endless funds then I agree with you.
But I believe and have faith that with patience and time Poch can do the same for us.

Patience? The last time we won a major trophy was 1991.

 

[Lilbaz]

Okay, here’s a no half arsed answer. I think you dislike Daniel levy’s handling of the club. I think you feel that success is not his main motivation, but instead that he wants to grow the value of the club with minimum risk up until it is sold for an ebourmous amount. I think you believe Daniel Levy to be deceitful in his promises to a) not sell our best players and b) invest in the team consistently. I think you feel that it’s not so much that he has failed at various points to improve us, but that he’s deliberately tried to get away with not improving us on several occasions in hope that the manager will keep things going in the right direction regardless, and that Levy has only diverted from this approach when it has come close to disastrous outcomes (2008 for instance). I believe you think he is not doing a good job, but you also don’t think he’s doing a bad job, just that he’s doing a job with different desired outcomes (financial growth), to that which you value (on field success). I think that in your opinion, Levy would welcome on field success but it is not his priority.

I am also more than happy to be wrong on all of this, as I am Jeremy inferring it from years of posting and, without being in your head am very likely to be incorrect. But there you go, this is my non half arsed answer. That is exactly what I believe your opinions to be.

And yes, fine, I put myself on high ground. I do this because I at very least take time and effort to construct arguments which a basis in evidence available to us, rather than in my own personal feelings, and I don’t skew things to suit an agenda. I struggle to respect those who do the opposite, and have far more time for tjrmopinions if posters who vehemently disagree with me but actually take the time and effort to back up their views with anecdote and example (@doctor stefan Freud being a fine example).

In 2008 tottenham did the share issue and enic bought them taking full control of the club. This money was invested in the players. I believe they are looking at doing a bond issue now.

 

[JCRD]

The sound of spoilt brats stamping their feet whilst saying " I want Trophies now" is deafening.
Its been said many times that to become challengers for the big stuff you need Abramovich or oil rich arabs with limitless funds.
Otherwise you need patience to build the club slowly with solid foundations and once we get into the new gaff I believe that more funds will come available to Poch to take us where we want to go.
And so as difficult as it is patience is required because if you want or demand cups now perhaps you are following the wrong club and you can do what most pot hunters do switch allegiance to Man Until or Liverpool OR Chelsea or Man City because they have the cash to fund trophy winning sides and at this moment we do not have this asset but will in the future and so I say patience is required.
If you throw Wenger at me as a winner that did not need endless funds then I agree with you.
But I believe and have faith that with patience and time Poch can do the same for us.

Patience is fine if there is evidence that we are moving forwards. We are certainly moving forwards off it but on it - if you dont improve the squad on a yearly basis and you stand still, the chances are youll go backwards. Will that happen? hopefully not but this summer coming is the crossroads in my view.

I dont care too much about a trophy at the moment but there is only so much 'we have built a good team' someone can take.

 

[whitesocks]

Apologies if already posted on here. From the Telegraph:

Pochettino has revealed he once told Burnley boss Sean Dyche to fuck off when on the touchline together.

"It was very funny, a few years ago I was with Sean Dyche on the touchline. Sean was on touchline, shouting fucking this, fucking that. In one moment I turned to him and I said: fuck off, Sean. Hey, Sean, fuck off.”

"I said sorry Sean, I apologise. I did not want to disrespect him — I thought I was saying shut up. If we say it, it does not have the same impact as an English person saying it, the same context.”

It is a great story, just like the one about him climbing into the directors box at the nou camp and celebrating Man U's victory in the champs's league final. And entering a bathroom full of cops/sniffer dogs, with a bag of pot. They all seem well rehearsed.

We have to be careful, as just as easily as he'll manipulate an 18 year old to play like he is a seasoned pro, he'll also manipulate the fans. I wouldn't mind but the stories all seem to have a link to Man U.

 

[E17yid]

I think you’ll find (see, I like evidence) it all started with this:



To which jurgen brought up the issue of investment/ lack of in direct response to:



To which I responded with:



The following gents then expanded with:




Which in kind I expanded on with:



Then Paolo decided to follow jurgens lead:



And I, as ever, reverted to cold, hard, indisputable and easily available evidence to support my disagreement with him.

@Archibald&Crooks took the high ground and threw out a doh, but in fairness his opinion isn’t exactly a mystery to us, and @scat1620 did likewise but I’m not sure I want to live in a world where I agree with anything he believes.

This didn’t at all start with me trying to create debate where any was necessar, this started with my innocuous comment about this next 7 weeks being a big test off whether our manager is as good as we believe being used as a trigger for people to unnecessary bring up investment and net spend. I introduced no such topic, merely reacted to those who felt it appropriate to grind their axes.

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[SirNiNyHotspur]

Patience? The last time we won a major trophy was 1991.

Haha, you haven’t even waited 30 years, be quiet you ungrateful fool.

 

[Lighty64]

A lot of fans, including myself, believe that a net transfer spend of £29m since Poch got here isn't really good enough for a club that's supposed to want to challenge.

but with that 29m nett spend we become challengers, and without building a stadium a lot of the players we have that have got us as challengers might of moved on years ago, knowing we wouldn't be able to afford better wages. which would also effect players joining

 

[Lighty64]

How did you know?

we all know

 

[BringBack_leGin]

First obstacle passed

 

[Metalhead]

If Poch is fine with it, I'm fine with it. If the players are largely fine with it, I'm fine with it. If Poch is frustrated because he can't get the players that he wants then that's a worry but if he's fully on board with the situation then OK, as long as we can see that we are continuing to make progress and we do see the financial benefits from the bigger stadium become reflected in the transfer budget then happy days.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

If Poch is fine with it, I'm fine with it. If the players are largely fine with it, I'm fine with it. If Poch is frustrated because he can't get the players that he wants then that's a worry but if he's fully on board with the situation then OK, as long as we can see that we are continuing to make progress and we do see the financial benefits from the bigger stadium become reflected in the transfer budget then happy days.

It’s hard to tell really what is going on behind the scenes and who thinks what, all our Itk so far this window has been pretty consistent in that incomings are unlikely, and the one ‘feel good’ Itk about him being happy because he’d bought a house was two years out of date anyway.

I think we have to be a bit laid back about it all and just enjoy what there is to enjoy without worrying too much about what lies ahead, because the present has so much good to focus on that if we keep worrying about what could happen it will negate the enjoyment of the pretty remarkable achievements of the team and manager we have right now.

If anybody at the start of the season offered us 3rd by four points after 23 matches? one foot in the league cup final, through to the champions league knock outs and still in the FA cup we’d have been delighted.

 

[Paolo10]

Surely a reason you'd be so delighted with that is the lack of investment this summer?

I'd predicted 5th FWIW.

 

[Metalhead]

It’s hard to tell really what is going on behind the scenes and who thinks what, all our Itk so far this window has been pretty consistent in that incomings are unlikely, and the one ‘feel good’ Itk about him being happy because he’d bought a house was two years out of date anyway.

I think we have to be a bit laid back about it all and just enjoy what there is to enjoy without worrying too much about what lies ahead, because the present has so much good to focus on that if we keep worrying about what could happen it will negate the enjoyment of the pretty remarkable achievements of the team and manager we have right now.

If anybody at the start of the season offered us 3rd by four points after 23 matches? one foot in the league cup final, through to the champions league knock outs and still in the FA cup we’d have been delighted.

Agreed - at the end of the day, just like on the match thread, we can complain or agree or be content or not with the decisions but neither Levy nor Poch come on here looking for advice or suggestions so there's not a great deal we can do.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Surely a reason you'd be so delighted with that is the lack of investment this summer?

I'd predicted 5th FWIW.

I’d be delighted with that in any season competing with 5 of the best clubs in Europe for just 4 positions when we’re so far behind financially and without a home ground.

 

[vegassd]

Surely a reason you'd be so delighted with that is the lack of investment this summer?

I don't think many Levy fans are actually looking at a blank transfer window as any sort of badge of honour. Nobody is under the impression that there's a trophy for having a low net spend. I think it's more about accepting the current financial position of the club and realising that our success on the pitch is going to be achieved gradually rather than in a flood of money over a couple of seasons.

It can be frustrating as hell to watch other teams spend a tonne of money and they see success from it. But I think it's important to remember that there are also teams spending huge money and not seeing anything from it. We can look at graphs and tables of spending and use it as a negative, but surely the table that matters most is the league table and we have done well in that despite the lack of belief from some fans.

For the past few years our club has been disproving the notion that the only way to get to the top is to spend more than your competitors. Teams like Leicester and Bournemouth have also shown just how competitive you can be without breaking transfer records and putting up massive spending numbers. But the core principle of "pay to win" is a hard one to fully shake because it's wonderfully simple and has all sorts of evidence to back it up which is easier to shout about than the evidence to the contrary.

I can't imagine there are many Everton, Newcastle or Villa fans out there who wouldn't be jealous of the team we have been able to put together over the past 10-15 years, during a period when we would have been judged as a similar "sized" club to them. The fact Arsenal have spent 5 times as much as us during the "power shift" should also be telling.

As with life generally, in football money makes things much easier but is far from being everything. Wouldn't it be great if we could focus less on money and more on what our club represents and what our playing and coaching staff are capable of achieving?

 

[Monkey boy]

According to some Everton have “won the last two transfer windows”

 

[The Mourneview Ace]

I actually think Pochettino loves all the denials and no movement, maybe he finds it easier to mould young guys than to integrate new arrivals. If he kicked up any sort of fuss at all they would have to bring players in but he doesn’t seem to worry about it. Bizarre like.

 

[SpartanSpur]

I don't think many Levy fans are actually looking at a blank transfer window as any sort of badge of honour. Nobody is under the impression that there's a trophy for having a low net spend. I think it's more about accepting the current financial position of the club and realising that our success on the pitch is going to be achieved gradually rather than in a flood of money over a couple of seasons.

It can be frustrating as hell to watch other teams spend a tonne of money and they see success from it. But I think it's important to remember that there are also teams spending huge money and not seeing anything from it. We can look at graphs and tables of spending and use it as a negative, but surely the table that matters most is the league table and we have done well in that despite the lack of belief from some fans.

For the past few years our club has been disproving the notion that the only way to get to the top is to spend more than your competitors. Teams like Leicester and Bournemouth have also shown just how competitive you can be without breaking transfer records and putting up massive spending numbers. But the core principle of "pay to win" is a hard one to fully shake because it's wonderfully simple and has all sorts of evidence to back it up which is easier to shout about than the evidence to the contrary.

I can't imagine there are many Everton, Newcastle or Villa fans out there who wouldn't be jealous of the team we have been able to put together over the past 10-15 years, during a period when we would have been judged as a similar "sized" club to them. The fact Arsenal have spent 5 times as much as us during the "power shift" should also be telling.

As with life generally, in football money makes things much easier but is far from being everything. Wouldn't it be great if we could focus less on money and more on what our club represents and what our playing and coaching staff are capable of achieving?

I agree with all of this, however I think it's fair to say the last piece of the puzzle right now is a couple of real quality additions to pull us over the edge.

 

[spids]

Arsenal have won the FA Cup three times in the last 5 years. Anyone want to swap places with them?

The last three managers to win the FA Cup were Conte, Mourinho and Wenger - three managers sacked for 'failing' in the league (i.e. not being in the top 4).

It's all about the Premier League and the Champions League.