The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

The difference (IMO) is that when City lose a player like Silva, Guardiola has to decide whether to pick Fernando or Gondogan or Bernardo Silva. When we lose a player like Wanyama or Sanchez or Toby we have to completely reshuffle and we lost all 3 yesterday. They simply wheel another worldie off the bench.

Exactly. When City have 50m Bernardo Silva warming the bench it shows what we're competing with

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

The point holds up perfectly fine but if you want to focus the last few words of my post when in fact the bulk of my post is in response to yours then be my guest.

Yes the fact remains that Poch has won nothing but taking into account who he's managed compared to the managers you mentioned then the comparison is nonsense, how do you compare managers who have managed with different budgets and resources, it's very difficult to compare. I don't understand your logic of ignoring last season..so in that case are we going to ignore the previous achievements of the manager's you mentioned then because it's only fair if that's your argument.

Isn't it better to wait until the end of the season before casting a judgement on him rather than giving him an appraisal after a defeat which is pretty much knee jerk.

the comparison isn't nonsense at all. how can we objectively say he's the best if he hasn't won ANYTHING? why is he better than those that have? the best we can say is that he hasn't had the same opportunity as them and so we can't know. what we do know is that can say is that less fashionable teams than his have won things since he's been here, be they leagues or cups, so the opportunity has certainly been there. it may have been difficult, but it certainly hasn't been impossible for him to have won something.

none of that is really my main point though. for someone that has never won anything, how are his methods and philosophy so accepted as gospel by some? even Guardiola's methods were being questioned last season. how dare he come over here and expect to blow teams away with the type of football his teams played in inferior leagues! and yet Pochettino for some reason is viewed as being above criticism.

 

[ClonedFromSandrosBeard]

none of that is really my main point though. for someone that has never won anything, how are his methods and philosophy so accepted as gospel by some? even Guardiola's methods were being questioned last season. how dare he come over here and expect to blow teams away with the type of football his teams played in inferior leagues! and yet Pochettino for some reason is viewed as being above criticism.

What is Poch's footballing philosophy? It used to be all about pressing and transition but not really anymore.

Best I can tell he emphasises bravery and passion for the game, enjoy what you do because what's the point otherwise? That's what I got from reading his book anyway.

Maybe his teams rely on unity and positivity most of all and when they don't have that (see end of 2016 season or now) they struggle?

What does this mean for Poch? Does he make wholesale changes or stick with this squad and hope they pull together and find some positivity? I don't know, but I think he's earned himself the season at least to figure out who he can rely on.

 

[rocklink]

Exactly. When City have 50m Bernardo Silva warming the bench it shows what we're competing with

We have 30m sissoko warming the bench

 

[onthetwo]

Apols if this has been posted already but has anyone done the 'away record comparison' analysis for the other managers in the Top 6 (ex Burnley)? Just trying to find some context for the Poch record that gets quoted ad nauseum.

 

[Gb160]

Apols if this has been posted already but has anyone done the 'away record comparison' analysis for the other managers in the Top 6 (ex Burnley)? Just trying to find some context for the Poch record that gets quoted ad nauseum.

You ever wondered why the home record stat against these teams is never used?
Its because its rather good.

 

[onthetwo]

You ever wondered why the home record stat against these teams is never used?
Its because its rather good.

yep, just feels like lazy journalism to fill column inches so until i see the recent comparative records for Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho, Wenger and Conte im going to file it under 'Spam.'

 

[Shadydan]

the comparison isn't nonsense at all. how can we objectively say he's the best if he hasn't won ANYTHING? why is he better than those that have? the best we can say is that he hasn't had the same opportunity as them and so we can't know. what we do know is that can say is that less fashionable teams than his have won things since he's been here, be they leagues or cups, so the opportunity has certainly been there. it may have been difficult, but it certainly hasn't been impossible for him to have won something.

none of that is really my main point though. for someone that has never won anything, how are his methods and philosophy so accepted as gospel by some? even Guardiola's methods were being questioned last season. how dare he come over here and expect to blow teams away with the type of football his teams played in inferior leagues! and yet Pochettino for some reason is viewed as being above criticism.

Merely judging a manager merits by winning a trophy is pretty lazy and doesn't tell the full story...I don't have a problem with you disagreeing that Pochettino isn't on Guardiola's or level it's your entire logic saying that he cannot be mentioned as a top manager if h hasn't won a trophy. You said it yourself we don't know because he hasn't had the chance to prove it so how are you coming to such a conclusion? In that case you may as well say managers like AVB, Koeman and Martinez can be considered for that category over Poch just because they won trophies, that's why it's nonsense.

I presume that Pochettinho isn't under as much scrutiny as the other managers is because he's continually led teams to punch above their weight and is exceeding expectations, come on his methods and philosophy have obviously made a difference to the teams and players he's managed, do you not think that if he had managed any of the teams Pep or Jose had managed that he wouldn't have silverware by now? I do however think it's time he won a trophy in order to cement his credentials though.

Incidently it's funny how these hindsight thoughts are being posted now after a loss, I didn't see anything like this after the Liverpool or Madrid match, why is that?

 

[ebzrascal]

Ok he is not a bigger name than Poch but Poch should know Walker is a pretty big name for a RB and if Walker is throwing his toys out the Pram, Bench him or sell him ABROAD, Trips can cross yes, more technical than Walker blah blah blah , but man Douglas Costa now probably can't wait to get at Trips

You don’t sell to rivals and you only sell if you can get better we failed ok both counts by selling Walker.

 

[tiger666]

You don’t sell to rivals and you only sell if you can get better we failed ok both counts by selling Walker.

He wanted to leave. Sorry.

 

[ebzrascal]

Exactly. When City have 50m Bernardo Silva warming the bench it shows what we're competing with

He cost £43 million because it was City.... There are similar problems available for under £40 million which we can afford. A season earlier he cost £15 million as did Ousmane Dembele. So it’s wrong to think excellent players are not gettable for Tottenham

 

[Shadydan]

He cost £43 million because it was City.... There are similar problems available for under £40 million which we can afford. A season earlier he cost £15 million as did Ousmane Dembele. So it’s wrong to think excellent players are not gettable for Tottenham

Seriously? How many times, it's not the outlay, it's the salary we can't afford.

 

[coys200]

You don’t sell to rivals and you only sell if you can get better we failed ok both counts by selling Walker.

Chelsea have sold Lukaku Salah De Bruyne matic. It happens , players leave football clubs. If they hadn’t bought walker they’d have bought someone just as good.

 

[Mullers]

Seriously? How many times, it's not the outlay, it's the salary we can't afford.

If we get in earlier, when there is a low transfer fee, we would be able to afford the wages too.

 

[Gb160]

Chelsea have sold Lukaku Salah De Bruyne matic. It happens , players leave football clubs. If they hadn’t bought walker they’d have bought someone just as good.

Amazingly people are still struggling to grasp this.

 

[Shadydan]

If we get in earlier, when there is a low transfer fee, we would be able to afford the wages too.

We tried to get in early with Batshuayi and ended up at Chelsea cause they paid him more, similar to Depay, Mane and Martial. Players will always wait for a better offer.

 

[rio bryan]

One doesn't like to be to critical of Poch because everything is easy in hindsight and i would have probably put out the same team at the weekend but does he over estimate the quality of the players in expecting them to go toe to toe with the big clubs especially away from home, on saying that you can never account for players making individual mistake's.

Therefore should he have a different plan to counteract these teams or least have a plan B if things are not going as expected ?
Guardiaiola had a plan B to bypass our press by hit long diagonal balls to their wide player's we could have done similar with hitting long balls to Kane or even bringing on Llorente and they would have been up against their 3rd and 4th choice centre back's.

 

[stevenurse]

Seriously? How many times, it's not the outlay, it's the salary we can't afford.

Not knocking the quote, a genuine question. Do dortmund pay more than us? I always had the idea they were quite like us in the respect they don't pay the top money, hence why their players are always poached

 

[John48]

The thing is we went toe to toe with RM, Dortmund & L'Pool at home & did pretty well, but what we did against MCity was well short of any of these games, which is the real disappointment. Perhaps it was the fact that we played 4-2-3-1 against City & I'm pretty sure we used 3-5-2 in the other games. I know he was hampered with Sanchez being suspend, but I do think he could have played Davies or Foyth in a 3, which may well have given us a more stable base.

 

[rossdapep]

The thing is we went toe to toe with RM, Dortmund & L'Pool at home & did pretty well, but what we did against MCity was well short of any of these games, which is the real disappointment. Perhaps it was the fact that we played 4-2-3-1 against City & I'm pretty sure we used 3-5-2 in the other games. I know he was hampered with Sanchez being suspend, but I do think he could have played Davies or Foyth in a 3, which may well have given us a more stable base.

The stable base was certainly a huge factor. Hopefully we'll have these players back and players on form the next time we play them. We may get to see a closer battle. I certainly don't think we are 4-1 team worse than them, don't think we played anywhere close to our best and haven't for a while now.