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TwanYid

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We just don't seem able to turn games. We can dominate games, play well, but cannot turn games around.

I've been saying for a while that we lack guile. I would brought Lamela and Lucas on much sooner. They at least try to make things happen. I am bitterly disappointed.

Agreed- but to piggyback off your point, I would've either started Lamela over Son OR at least brought dude on at the Half.

Son was invisible; Lamela- as you said- at least tries to surge forward.

Honestly- and I'm not just saying this as a Lamela fanboy (which I, admittedly, am): this match CRIED OUT for him. Man U are tough, organized and brutal- for this type of game you need steel. Son- much as I love him- is soft. Mourinho effectively man-marked him into obscurity; you can't do that with Lamela. Indeed, today's match was akin to our game away at Juventus: alien atmosphere (our rent-a-stadium packed to the rafters with flag-waving, screaming Manure supporters)- tough, game manager- team set up to break us- etc...and who does Poch start? Son.

Not Lamela- Son.

Look, I love Sonny- but in a game like today's you bring him on in the 65th minute to change things around if you're down a goal; you don't start him.

Today we needed steel; today, we needed Lamela.
 
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I'm still waiting for @THFC_SWE to explain if it is or isn't about the money instead of being rather pathetic and handing out useless ratings.

#bants
 

mattie g

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Haven’t bothered reading the drivel of the last 6 hours.

Let me guess...Poch out?
 
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'O Zio

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Isn't it all funny how we used to all say that qualifying for the Champions League would catapult us into winning trophies, how wrong were we..

I don't think anyone ever said that qualifying for the CL twice would instantly mean we started winning titles. It's a long process. Establishing ourselves as a regular participant in the CL increases not just the money we have to spend on wages etc. but more importantly increases our prestige and helps us attract a higher caliber of player. 10 years ago your average Italian/Spaniard/German etc. knew the name "Tottenham" if you mentioned it but other than that they knew nothing. We were a completely nothing club on the European scene. If we carry on as we are and become regular fixtures against the top teams then we slowly but surely can become a household name


We've failed at every chance to actually win something, season after season and four years on none of it looks like changing. Why?

Nothing looks like changing? :confused: Have you only become a Spurs fan in the last 18 months or something? Until Poch came along, barring the odd season here or there, we've spend the last half a century being barely a mid-table club. Before Poch took over we were pretty much like Everton in a "best of the rest but still nowhere near" category of our own. Now we're regularly playing in the CL and although not quite getting over the line, we're competing for second place in the league every season, which is something we can build upon.

How on earth you can say nothing's changing is quite frankly beyond me
 

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I'm still waiting for @THFC_SWE to explain if it is or isn't about the money instead of being rather pathetic and handing out useless ratings.

#bants

I've already explained what I think about it. But if you don't understand, I can't understand it for you. It doesn't work that way.

As they say in the book called The concept of understanding simple things: "I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you." ?

And now I will give you one of my useless ratings. You will get a funny rating because you try so hard Mr Wum.

#bants
 
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I don't think anyone ever said that qualifying for the CL twice would instantly mean we started winning titles. It's a long process. Establishing ourselves as a regular participant in the CL increases not just the money we have to spend on wages etc. but more importantly increases our prestige and helps us attract a higher caliber of player. 10 years ago your average Italian/Spaniard/German etc. knew the name "Tottenham" if you mentioned it but other than that they knew nothing. We were a completely nothing club on the European scene. If we carry on as we are and become regular fixtures against the top teams then we slowly but surely can become a household name




Nothing looks like changing? :confused: Have you only become a Spurs fan in the last 18 months or something? Until Poch came along, barring the odd season here or there, we've spend the last half a century being barely a mid-table club. Before Poch took over we were pretty much like Everton in a "best of the rest but still nowhere near" category of our own. Now we're regularly playing in the CL and although not quite getting over the line, we're competing for second place in the league every season, which is something we can build upon.

How on earth you can say nothing's changing is quite frankly beyond me
Great post! We're all gutted about the Utd result, but let's not lose perspective about our progress. We're light years from where we were a few years ago. We've had to literally claw our way back from decades of mismanagement. And we're actually competing for the top prizes now. That's a change!
 

yankspurs

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So... Is he really the manager to get us that elusive trophy? There'll be a lot of angry people on the forum but I think if the die hard Poch fans are honest they'll admit this has been a shite week for the club. And to be honest it was obvious this would be the outcome from literally the first few minutes of the City game. The mood and tempo was set for the week. It was that obvious to me. But alas there will be people fiercely disagreeing with me.

I feel Poch have shown clearly he's a weak manager these last few games with his in game management and if it's not glaringly obvious to anyone then I feel sorry for all those who Poch fans for the next couple of seasons. You're in for a rough ride!
This week? It’s been glaringly obvious that Poch’s in game management is abysmal for alot longer than that. Saints fans had these exact same complaints about him, ffs.

And Poch’s attitude towards the cup when the one thing this club needs is silverwear was awful this week.
 

yankspurs

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Pochettino: “To compete in this type of game, I think we are ready.. but to win is different. The most important thing is we are in this process,..that with me, or with another coaching staff, the club need to push in that direction.”

Bit worried to be honest
If he wants to leave because levy wont back him, then i fucking pray we get bought up and levy goes away
 

yankspurs

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If that’s the case, fuck him. Ancelotti is a winner, Conte is a winner, there’s plenty out there that have actually won stuff. Pay them the right money, they’ll come. They will win stuff with this squad too.
You think Daniel Levy will actually spend money on them and then back them? Come on, now:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

ohtottenham!

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Agreed- but to piggyback off your point, I would've either started Lamela over Son OR at least brought dude on at the Half.

Son was invisible; Lamela- as you said- at least tries to surge forward.

Honestly- and I'm not just saying this as a Lamela fanboy (which I, admittedly, am): this match CRIED OUT for him. Man U are tough, organized and brutal- for this type of game you need steel. Son- much as I love him- is soft. Mourinho effectively man-marked him into obscurity; you can't do that with Lamela. Indeed, today's match was akin to our game away at Juventus: alien atmosphere (our rent-a-stadium packed to the rafters with flag-waving, screaming Manure supporters)- tough, game manager- team set up to break us- etc...and who does Poch start? Son.

Not Lamela- Son.

Look, I love Sonny- but in a game like today's you bring him on in the 65th minute to change things around if you're down a goal; you don't start him.

Today we needed steel; today, we needed Lamela.
We also needed movement and threat up front, which would have been the case with a fit Harry Kane. We didn't have that today, which was obvious to see like it has been in the last couple of games.

Son operates best when he gets space, because when we have a prime Harry Kane, we have Kane fully occupying the centre backs and pulling them all over the issue. It stretches the whole defence. We didn't have that Kane today, just like we haven't had that Kane since before his injury.
 

thfc1973

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All I'm saying is we beat Utd a few weeks ago same stadium, no pressure, today theres trophies involved and the team went missing. Mentality is clearly as much of an issue than personnel, what kind of players does he expect us to get that can fix that if he can't.

THIS!
What my whole gripe about Poch is absolutely this. You've summed it up. Poch is absolutely incapable of instilling the winning mentality that he keeps going on about.

We have comprehensively beat United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arse this season, but make those games trophy related games or title deciding games and guaranteed we'd lose them.

Give me Simone, Conte, Kopp any day over Poch. Heck I'd even take Dyche!

Any of those would easily instill the mentality we lack. You can't beat those teams in the league and consistently lose to them in deciders and then turn and say we need better players. It makes no sense. It's almost an insult to the players that beat them previously. Almost shameful if you ask me.
 

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THIS!
What my whole gripe about Poch is absolutely this. You've summed it up. Poch is absolutely incapable of instilling the winning mentality that he keeps going on about.

We have comprehensively beat United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arse this season, but make those games trophy related games or title deciding games and guaranteed we'd lose them.

Give me Simone, Conte, Kopp any day over Poch. Heck I'd even take Dyche!

You deserve Sean Dyche.
 

thfc1973

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This week? It’s been glaringly obvious that Poch’s in game management is abysmal for alot longer than that. Saints fans had these exact same complaints about him, ffs.

And Poch’s attitude towards the cup when the one thing this club needs is silverwear was awful this week.


Oh don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you it's been going on much longer. But I just used it as an example of this week alone..
 
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