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Thewobbler

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Has his head been turned? Some of the phrases he is using make him sound like he may leave.

Seriously he is a good manager but the timing of some of his comments are shocking to me.

FA cup is a consolation prize before a big semi final and after he loses it, he hints he may not be around to deliver a trophy for us.

His comments this morning make me think either....

1: His head has been turned by a club who can buy him success or

2: He's putting pressure on levy to spend some serious cash this summer and push us over the line to win something,
 

shelfboy68

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Amazed how all the tactical geniuses on here are doing other things with their lives rather than managing top level teams.

I'm 50 so have supported a lot of shit Spurs teams.

In judging Poch and whether I am happy with him I use some simple logic.

- What was it like before he arrived?
- Is he a decent human being?
- Do we play good football?
- Is the club cohesive?
- Do the players give 100% for him?
- Are we competing at the top level?
- Does evidence suggest another manger would do better?

Is he perfect? - no but he is providing me with far more good match days than bad.

I love the man - a lot of fans should be careful what they wish for.
I agree with you that poch has taken this club on from not just the dark days of the sugar regime but has even taken us on from Harry's time in charge and both have given us some good night's.
I haven't seen anyone calling for pochs head and it's a disgrace if that is the case because he needs our and the club's backing if he is to continue to try and improve us, he still remains the only manager in the top six who has never won a trophy and that is something missing off his CV that he like us will want to change.
Since he has been in charge we have reached 1 x final, 2 x semi-finals and look set to finish in the top four for the third time in four years providing we don't go all spursy and fall apart.
That is a damn decent record but and I say but still the wait for silverware continues and I really can't see when that will change, we are good we are close but we are still the nation's best nearly men and that's what hurts.
 

Mullers

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If Poch goes the wheels will well and truly come off and we'll be back to square one. He is the glue that holds this squad together.

So please, get behind the man and don't fall into the media trap.
He won't go, I just think he's disappointed and frustrated right now. He would never move to Chelsea or Arsenal, he isn't going to Madrid because that's too short term.
 

jimmy-jojo

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At the end of the day the players have to take responsibility. Dembele losing the ball where he did to Pogba was school boy error stuff.


Is anyone worried by Pochettino comments after the game about him or another manager taking the group forward.

Hopefully, he's just feeling down and having a moment of self-doubt.
 

worcestersauce

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I think the comments were made just after losing the semi final and shouldn't be taken too seriously, I took them as a sign of dejection possibly even self doubt, any number of reasons, I believe the club are talking to him about a new contract so take that into consideration.
There could also be discussions about this summer's transfer targets, Poch seems to like building his team without dropping in a big player from elsewhere, I might be wrong but that seems to be the case, so if the club are talking about moving up the food chain he may see it as having players brought in over his head, alternatively he might want bigger players but the club aren't ready.
Personally I don't see him not being here in the new stadium but a couple of years down the line it may well be that he leaves, I certainly wouldn't doubt it but by then we will be in a far far superior position than we were when he came so when he goes we'll be alright.
 

shelfboy68

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8th semi final I’ve been* to and yet again another defeat. The truth is I fully expected it. When a title is there to be won or cup we fall apart ever when we’ve looked imperious running up to the games. How can and why does this team continue ‘bottling’, for want of a better word, these games that matter having swatted these same opposition aside previous?

I really don’t think MP constant down playing of the domestic cups helps matters. To get a ‘winning mentality’ you have to be winners first. Winning a domestic cup is the easiest route to experiencing that ‘feeling’ which hopefully leads us onto bigger and better things.

*Cue the jokes about ‘don’t turn up to the 9th one
To be fair we haven't really been imperious on route this year with replays needed to beat both Newport and Rochdale it ended being hard work when it needed not to be, but yes I agree with everything else you say.
 

JimmyG2

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Never post straight after a defeat
or when angry, disappointed, tired or hungry.
This would be bad news for football forums
and reduce their power to offer venting facilities
but it's good advice
which I myself rarely take.
There is some truth in anger
but more in calm reflection.
Another season without winning anything
for the players the club and the manager
but I am happy with the slow build and progress
and progress it surely is.
Guesses as to what might have happened
if Lloris and Toby had played
are just that.
If Moussa had turned right instead of left when confronted by Pogba
are deep Philosophical/ Historical exercises.
Sanchez scores with his nose
and Lukaku's miscontrol leads to their winner.
Such is life.
I'm content that we were the better team
and tried to play football
and that in a couple of years time we will look back and laugh.
Opinion not fact.
 

shelfboy68

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Never post straight after a defeat
or when angry, disappointed, tired or hungry.
This would be bad news for football forums
and reduce their power to offer venting facilities
but it's good advice
which I myself rarely take.
There is some truth in anger
but more in calm reflection.
Another season without winning anything
for the players the club and the manager
but I am happy with the slow build and progress
and progress it surely is.
Guesses as to what might have happened
if Lloris and Toby had played
are just that.
If Moussa had turned right instead of left when confronted by Pogba
are deep Philosophical/ Historical exercises.
Sanchez scores with his nose
and Lukaku's miscontrol leads to their winner.
Such is life.
I'm content that we were the better team
and tried to play football
and that in a couple of years time we will look back and laugh.
Opinion not fact.
I don't think the notion of we tried playing better football will bring much joy and happiness when Utd or Chelsea lift the cup in may personally I would rather have scraped a 1-0 win played boring but be in a final.
 

ardiles

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I think most of the fans that have been slitting their wrists have not seen the bad times and poor mgrs/coaches/players of the past and don’t really know what ‘crap’ really means.

Poch has been the best mgr under Levy and they both have a very good working relationship.

We’re playing at a spanking new stadium next season. Lots of things to look forward to.

Did anyone expect us to be in the FAC semis at the start of the season, knowing that we had to play all our home games at a neutral venue?
 

Everlasting Seconds

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I think most of the fans that have been slitting their wrists have not seen the bad times and poor mgrs/coaches/players of the past and don’t really know what ‘crap’ really means.

Poch has been the best mgr under Levy and they both have a very good working relationship.

We’re playing at a spanking new stadium next season. Lots of things to look forward to.

Did anyone expect us to be in the FAC semis at the start of the season, knowing that we had to play all our home games at a neutral venue?
Oh here we go again. "You didn't see the bad times, think about the stadium, count your fucking blessings".
Yes, I actually thought that after 4 full seasons of Pochettino footie, if he truly was a great manager, not just quite good, we would see something more than a team fluctuating between incredible when it doesn't matter and utterly disgraceful when it really counts. So to me, I thought we would do something extraordinary in either CL, PL or FAC this season. Now, we are on the verge of achieving nothing in all competitions if we don't get our act together. The one redeeming factor, if we do end up in CL for a third season in a row, that will be a pretty good achievement for the last three seasons on an aggregated level.
 

Galactico14

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I think poch is just getting tired of the unrealistic (his words) expectations from media and section of fans as to what Tottenham should be doing. Quick example shearer said before ko we'd never get a better chance to win fa cup... why? We were playing man.u not West Brom! And even then there is a final against Chelsea to come... it gives the impression of great failure, when really we have fallen short against a good side who second half managed game better then us. That's football one team has to loose, today it was us.

As for his comments on cups, he is right it will not transport us to europes elite as it didn't Wigan, etc ... doesn't mean he doesn't want to win but being regular in CL, challenging for titles is where our mindset should be and trophies then hopefully follow.

Before poch the mindset was always top six challenging for 4th ... now fourth is the minimum.. don't underestimate what a huge step that is.

Accept Tottenham are not the giant us fans think we are and be grateful we have a manager that is least trying to implement that mindset.
 

Gassin's finest

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I think poch is just getting tired of the unrealistic (his words) expectations from media and section of fans as to what Tottenham should be doing. Quick example shearer said before ko we'd never get a better chance to win fa cup... why? We were playing man.u not West Brom! And even then there is a final against Chelsea to come... it gives the impression of great failure, when really we have fallen short against a good side who second half managed game better then us. That's football one team has to loose, today it was us.

As for his comments on cups, he is right it will not transport us to europes elite as it didn't Wigan, etc ... doesn't mean he doesn't want to win but being regular in CL, challenging for titles is where our mindset should be and trophies then hopefully follow.

Before poch the mindset was always top six challenging for 4th ... now fourth is the minimum.. don't underestimate what a huge step that is.

Accept Tottenham are not the giant us fans think we are and be grateful we have a manager that is least trying to implement that mindset.
This. When Poch said his main goal was to change the culture of the club, many of us may not have appreciated the enormity of that task and all that it encapsulated. At its simplest it's turning Tottenham Hotspur from a club that got used to seeing finals as "a good day out" into a club that doesn't know how to lose.
Unless everything goes spectacularly wrong, I'd be letting Poch see out his project.
 

JimmyG2

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Oh here we go again. "You didn't see the bad times, think about the stadium, count your fucking blessings".
Yes, I actually thought that after 4 full seasons of Pochettino footie, if he truly was a great manager, not just quite good, we would see something more than a team fluctuating between incredible when it doesn't matter and utterly disgraceful when it really counts. So to me, I thought we would do something extraordinary in either CL, PL or FAC this season. Now, we are on the verge of achieving nothing in all competitions if we don't get our act together. The one redeeming factor, if we do end up in CL for a third season in a row, that will be a pretty good achievement for the last three seasons on an aggregated level.

It took the legend that is Sir Alex Ferguson
5 years to win a trophy
and lay down the foundations for the Utd years.
I hope Mauricio gets as long and longer
and is not hounded out by short cutters and short termers.

Perhaps there is only one cardinal sin: impatience. Because of impatience we were driven out of Paradise, because of impatience we cannot return. W H Auden.

Clearly I am not of the 'now' generation.
Enjoy the journey.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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It took the legend that is Sir Alex Ferguson
5 years to win a trophy
and lay down the foundations for the Utd years.
I hope Mauricio gets as long and longer
and is not hounded out by short cutters and short termers.

Perhaps there is only one cardinal sin: impatience. Because of impatience we were driven out of Paradise, because of impatience we cannot return. W H Auden.

Clearly I am not of the 'now' generation.
Enjoy the journey.
Football is different now than in 1986. I don't think Ferguson would have been very successful if he started in 2014, not 1986. I'm getting tired of derailing this debate by superficial and light-weight comments connected to football in the past. I'd like it if we for once could simply have rational arguments about Pochettino as things stand now, without the evergreen default of "did you see us in the 90's" or "Ferguson this, Ferguson that". It must be OK to look at Pochettino right now, in 2018, as things stand.
 
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Football is different now than in 1986. I don't think Ferguson would have been very successful if he started in 2014, not 1986. I'm getting tired of derailing this debate by superficial and light-weight comments connected to football in the past. I'd like it if we for once could simply have a rational arguments about Pochettino as things stand now, without the evergreen default of "did you see us in the 90's" or "Ferguson this, Ferguson that". It must be OK to look at Pochettino right now, in 2018, as things stand.
We sit 4th in the prem. league. We have finished in the top four twice in the last few seasons - second being out highest finish last year.
We have just been beaten again in a cup Semi final.

We're about to move into a new stadium hopefully under his guidance with some of the best players to have played at the club in the years I have been watching them.

I guess you could pick bones out of that but considering the years prior to him being in charge are we worse off?
 

Everlasting Seconds

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We sit 4th in the prem. league. We have finished in the top four twice in the last few seasons - second being out highest finish last year.
We have just been beaten again in a cup Semi final.

We're about to move into a new stadium hopefully under his guidance with some of the best players to have played at the club in the years I have been watching them.

I guess you could pick bones out of that but considering the years prior to him being in charge are we worse off?
I think we should leave the stadium out of it. It's not down to him, it's not grander, better, or more extravagant because of him, and it would have happened even if Pardew was the manager. "The stadium" is one of those faulty, light-weight, contentless arguments. "But, but, but, look at the stadium". Well, this is the Pochettino-thread, not the the "Bright and shiny staidum thread".
 
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I think we should leave the stadium out of it. It's not down to him, it's not grander, better, or more extravagant because of him, and it would have happened even if Pardew was the manager. "The stadium" is one of those faulty, light-weight, contentless arguments. "But, but, but, look at the stadium". Well, this is the Pochettino-thread, not the the "Bright and shiny staidum thread".
So are we worse off or not?
 

yankspurs

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Amazed how all the tactical geniuses on here are doing other things with their lives rather than managing top level teams.

I'm 50 so have supported a lot of shit Spurs teams.

In judging Poch and whether I am happy with him I use some simple logic.

- What was it like before he arrived?
- Is he a decent human being?
- Do we play good football?
- Is the club cohesive?
- Do the players give 100% for him?
- Are we competing at the top level?
- Does evidence suggest another manger would do better?

Is he perfect? - no but he is providing me with far more good match days than bad.

I love the man - a lot of fans should be careful what they wish for.
The funniest thing on SC is people taking any hint of criticism and conflating it with wanting someone gone and get extremely defensive. It’s amazing.
 

slartibartfast

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Ok enough doom.
Season reflection,
We beat Arsenal
We beat Man U
We beat Liverpool
We beat Chelsea
We beat Real Madrid
We beat Dortmund
We look set to get cl football next season in our new stadium.
We did this playing at Wembley.

Could have been a worse season.

Just so gutting to lose in that manner.
Being outplayed and beaten by a better team is much easier to deal with.
 
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