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yankspurs

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I wish I could give a new "Winner"-rating for this post every single day I come on here, so that by the end of the season you'd have hundreds of them. The above comment sums everything up perfectly, and this is coming from a guy who was furious yesterday at Poch's tactics, which were awful (Lamela, for one, should've started against a Jose-team in a Cup semi imo, an unfit Kane should not have and yes, I think Lloris should've started as well, and maybe even Toby...oh, and at the very least, he should've seen that Son was getting marked out of existence and should've brought him off at the Half for Lamela. We needed steel in this game; not a cuddly teddy bear). HOWEVER, in spite of my misgivings about him as a game-manager (I think he gets a lot wrong as far as IN-game goes), he is by FAR the best thing to ever happen to us- and I happen to be 50 as well (although admittedly I'm a younger Yiddo than you, as I've been supporting our beloved club since 2003).

Point is, some of the anti-Poch stuff on here- ESPECIALLY the "He's taken us as far as he can/he needs to go"-type drivel is, frankly, embarrassing and shameful. People who sprout excrement like that need to have a word with themselves; our club is incredible now, and that is 99.9% down to him.

Get rid of him?!?

Fuck me sideways with an open can of tuna and a rusty fork.
For the umpteenth time, not one person is calling to get rid of him. Critisicm in no way, shape, or form means one wants rid of someone. You and the post you quoted are the ones that have brought it up.
 

g_harry

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A few things from yesterday's game rang true:

1. We are note cute enough to close game out, time waste, take tackles and win free kicks. Utd so good at this - it's hard to watch but wins big games.
2. Our execution at times is shocking, any Utd Cross yesterday caused problems ours hit first man.
3. I'm not sure what was said at half time but it wasn't enough.
4. This has been said many times about this team they don't have killer instinct. Should and could have been 3 up.

But I still love this team and hope that Poch gets the time and backing to succeed. COYS.
 

DCSPUR

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Aggressive? Pointed criticism is not aggressive and it is certainly not calling for him to sacked like you and apprently alot of people seem to believe.
it's the reactionary bullshit with no awareness of facts, context or history that infuriates those of us who appreciate what Poch has done and hopefully continues to do for our club. If there was a sensible analysis of +ves, -ves it would be taken in a different way....what we saw after the game yesterday was something different.

I stand by statement, based on the shit show that we saw on the threads yesterday, that some of our fans are among the most deluded, entitled and reactionary fans outside of Woolwich and Merseyside.

@Hercules has said Poch will be backed and that is what I wanted to hear.
 

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it's the reactionary bullshit with no awareness of facts, context or history that infuriates those of us who appreciate what Poch has done and hopefully continues to do for our club. If there was a sensible analysis of +ves, -ves it would be taken in a different way....what we saw after the game yesterday was something different.

I stand by statement, based on the shit show that we saw on the threads yesterday, that some of our fans are among the most deluded, entitled and reactionary fans outside of Woolwich and Merseyside.

@Hercules has said Poch will be backed and that is what I wanted to hear.

We are now at a defining cross roads and this summer will need to be carefully addressed. if we want better quality, then this will cost more in wages. if we want to keep the nucleus of the squad together, this again will require more wages and renegotiated contracts to reflect this. Levy and his accountants probably know that for continued progress and greater quality there will be cost associated with this. The key is whether he has the either the appetite or resources to make this change.. Only time will tell.
 

Gassin's finest

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That's it. I also find it a little bit worrisome that after 4 full seasons, the top 3 arguments pro Pochettino (in random order) are:

Remember the 90s? (So shut up)
Bright and shiny stadium (So shut up)
Alex Ferguson (So shut up)

Stadium? Seriously? Should a fan care more about the silvery facade on the club's stadium, or the silver in the trophy cabinet?
This is his 4th season. Each season we have demonstrably improved. Players flattering to decieve are now internationals.

The task is not complete, and probably won't be for another season or two, possibly more to fully achieve that identity, but he is clearly succeeding.

I think the changing of culture also applies to the supporters as much as himself.
 
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spursfan77

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This is an excerpt from Daniel Levy’s pages in Poch’s book talking about Pochettino:

“The public perception is that managers always want more players and the chairman never wants to spend money. Actually the contrast with Mauricio is quite interesting. If I left him to it we’d probably just have 11 players! I respect the fact that he is definitely not the type of manager who wants to spend money. I know some fans and the media think we have to spend, spend, spend, but every time we have done a big transfer, generally speaking, those players haven’t been the best performing players.”

It struck me that those comments we hear about Poch wanting to be backed couldn’t be further from the truth. He wants to be assured. He wants to feel everything is how he wants it. That’s different from spanning a load of cash unless Poch has changed a habit of a lifetime.
 

TwanYid

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The funniest thing on SC is people taking any hint of criticism and conflating it with wanting someone gone and get extremely defensive. It’s amazing.

Read the last ten pages of this thread and tell me if you come across people- multiple people- saying he should go. They're there, I promise. To me, that's over the top personified.
 

E17yid

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Would Lloris have made any difference? I don’t think so. Don’t think he saves Herrea’s goal tbh.

Lamela should’ve started but I don’t think that would’ve made a huge difference either.

Think it’s a collective fuck up but ultimately the players didn’t show anywhere near enough fight. Perhaps after going 1-0 up (and playing well like we did in that first 15min or so) the players thought we’d cruise it like we did in the league but the truth is UTD were pretty poor that day and we’re never going to roll over.
 

steve

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A few things from yesterday's game rang true:

1. We are note cute enough to close game out, time waste, take tackles and win free kicks. Utd so good at this - it's hard to watch but wins big games.
2. Our execution at times is shocking, any Utd Cross yesterday caused problems ours hit first man.
3. I'm not sure what was said at half time but it wasn't enough.
4. This has been said many times about this team they don't have killer instinct. Should and could have been 3 up.

But I still love this team and hope that Poch gets the time and backing to succeed. COYS.

Genuine question, do you think our inability to close out yesterday's game was due to a lack of cuteness or just an individual mistake from Dem that got punished ruthlessly?

Was his mistake down to him alone or is it part of something bigger around how we approach games?

Honestly I'm not sure myself because it's not the first time this has happened - in other games with other players.

At 1 0 we were in total control and may have gone on to score again before half time, if we do it's probably game over as united struggle to create anything against us. Even at 1 0 at half time it totally changes the dynamic, they have to force it second half which doesn't suit them and it leaves gaps for us.

Instead at 1 1 Jose can continue with what he knows best, keep it tight and pragmatic and squeeze out a chance and hope they take it.

That first goal really hurt us badly and changed the face of the game in so many ways...
 

E17yid

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Also can’t blame Poch for a ref not sending off Valencia.

Might have been soft but I think there was a clear push by Pogba on Dembele just before he put the ball in for the equaliser.

Fuck it, did I mention I don’t care.
 

ljinko888

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Poch is the best thing to happen to this club in my adult life. He has built this group of players to be able to compete despite financial handicaps because he's a great coach and personality to work with.

He has got us finishing above every top six club in the last three seasons. We should still qualify for the UCL again under his watch.

But for all the positives, every time there is an opportunity for silverware this group fall short. We can't keep harboring on about "punching above our weight". In financial terms yes we are, but football is played on grass, not balance sheets. Our team cost significantly less than our rivals. Wonderful. But it's also better than most of them. Our league finishes in the last two seasons yet in the cups we're the only one in the last two seasons not to make a final. This season we should still secure top four but the two sides below us - Chelsea and Arsenal - might win the FA Cup and Europa League respectively.

Champions League qualification is important I get it. For the medium to long term future. But it really irks me that our rivals at their weakest still seem to have an upper hand for silverware.
 

DCSPUR

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Genuine question, do you think our inability to close out yesterday's game was due to a lack of cuteness or just an individual mistake from Dem that got punished ruthlessly?

Was his mistake down to him alone or is it part of something bigger around how we approach games?

Honestly I'm not sure myself because it's not the first time this has happened - in other games with other players.

At 1 0 we were in total control and may have gone on to score again before half time, if we do it's probably game over as united struggle to create anything against us. Even at 1 0 at half time it totally changes the dynamic, they have to force it second half which doesn't suit them and it leaves gaps for us.

Instead at 1 1 Jose can continue with what he knows best, keep it tight and pragmatic and squeeze out a chance and hope they take it.

That first goal really hurt us badly and changed the face of the game in so many ways...

actually agree with you....small margins, MD skips past Pogba or Dier's shot goes in, or second half at 1-1 when we were pushing fwd if Dele had been one step faster he knocks in CE's cross, or Vorm doesn't let a straightish shot go past him....all swing the game our way....sometimes I do feel that we lack a bit of luck but I hope that perhaps the fates are waiting to give us the luck we need next season to win the league in our new home...
 

allatsea

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We need to keep in mind we will be playing 38 away games in this Premier League season ! I for one thought we would be extremely lucky to get a CL spot with not playing at White Hart Lane and the money being thrown about by the rest of the PL clubs. If we do get a CL spot I believe that would be an excellent season.
 

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This is his 4th season. Each season we have demonstrably improved. Players flattering to decieve are now internationals.

The task is not complete, and probably won't be for another season or two, possibly more to fully achieve that identity, but he is clearly succeeding.

I think the changing of culture also applies to the supporters as much as himself.
I don't think we actually improved this season. I think we really improved last season, and it got me quite excited. But in this season I think we clearly stagnated a bit.

If you want to change the mindset of the supporters, that has to start with the players. They need to show on the pitch a firm change into a winning mentality. Fail to show up for a semi-final, and fans' mindset simply won't be changed. I also find it funny that on one hand, people are calling for a change in fans' mentality, but on the other hand we are constantly told "you should be happy, have you forgotten the 90s?". So tell me please, which is it? Should we, the fans, change our mentality? Or should we count our blessings due to not being involved in the relegation battle? Most certainly both can't be equally true.

If the primary goal for Pochettino has been to change the underlying mentality, he got some way to go before we can actually deem it a success.

The concluding paragraph of Jonathan Wilson of the Guardian is a good summary:
"For all Pochettino’s best efforts, not far beneath the surface traces of Spursiness still linger."
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ter-united-cup-semi-final-mauricio-pochettino
 

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Aggressive? Pointed criticism is not aggressive and it is certainly not calling for him to sacked like you and apprently alot of people seem to believe.
I did not once say anything about posters wanting him sacked. I said I was sick of arseholes that think they know more than our manager when they clearly don't and that they should be careful what they wish for. That means that they don't know how well of they are until that manager walks away. Look at some of the posts about 8-10 pages ago. Maybe while you were sleeping Hank?

When you support a team/manager you support them through good and bad and if you want perfection then you're going to be disappointed. We have more good than bad and I'm sure the players and Poch are feeling this today as well without fans having a go.

Slag off other teams and managers - not our own. (unless they're Sherwood ;))
 

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I don't think we actually improved this season. I think we really improved last season, and it got me quite excited. But in this season I think we clearly stagnated a bit.

If you want to change the mindset of the supporters, that has to start with the players. They need to show on the pitch a firm change into a winning mentality. Fail to show up for a semi-final, and fans' mindset simply won't be changed. I also find it funny that on one hand, people are calling for a change in fans' mentality, but on the other hand we are constantly told "you should be happy, have you forgotten the 90s?". So tell me please, which is it? Should we, the fans, change our mentality? Or should we count our blessings due to not being involved in the relegation battle? Most certainly both can't be equally true.

If the primary goal for Pochettino has been to change the underlying mentality, he got some way to go before we can actually deem it a success.

Chicken and egg perhaps. There is a symbiotic relationship between the two. I do think we need an outfield captain with drive and match intelligence though.
 

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We need to keep in mind we will be playing 38 away games in this Premier League season ! I for one thought we would be extremely lucky to get a CL spot with not playing at White Hart Lane and the money being thrown about by the rest of the PL clubs. If we do get a CL spot I believe that would be an excellent season.

Good to bring some perspective back. I remember on here most were predicting a drop off and all the pundits felt we were going to be badly hit by not being at home. The last season at WHL we dropped just four points in a stadium that others always found intimidating to pay in. I have always played down the Wembley effect but do recognise this has been an issue especially at the start of the season. I just hope the new stadium is ready for the start of the season!
 

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I don't think we actually improved this season. I think we really improved last season, and it got me quite excited. But in this season I think we clearly stagnated a bit.

If you want to change the mindset of the supporters, that has to start with the players. They need to show on the pitch a firm change into a winning mentality. Fail to show up for a semi-final, and fans' mindset simply won't be changed. I also find it funny that on one hand, people are calling for a change in fans' mentality, but on the other hand we are constantly told "you should be happy, have you forgotten the 90s?". So tell me please, which is it? Should we, the fans, change our mentality? Or should we count our blessings due to not being involved in the relegation battle? Most certainly both can't be equally true.

If the primary goal for Pochettino has been to change the underlying mentality, he got some way to go before we can actually deem it a success.

Our squad development stopped as I see it. We had a better first eleven last year with Walker still here and Toby and Rose fit. Contrary to that we did much better in the CL, despite being up against much better teams than last season. I'd say we stagnated in some aspects and improved in others.

It once again highlights the danger in selling our best players though. Walker got a lot of stick from time to time and most of us were OK with selling him for 50m. But in the aftermath we've had a severe drop in quality at both fullbacks positions and it has cost us this season. It's faulty to say that we've would have won last night if Walker was still here but we would have had a stronger defence with him still here and his sheer pace was huge advantage for us, I'm certain of that.
 

shelfboy68

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I don't think we actually improved this season. I think we really improved last season, and it got me quite excited. But in this season I think we clearly stagnated a bit.

If you want to change the mindset of the supporters, that has to start with the players. They need to show on the pitch a firm change into a winning mentality. Fail to show up for a semi-final, and fans' mindset simply won't be changed. I also find it funny that on one hand, people are calling for a change in fans' mentality, but on the other hand we are constantly told "you should be happy, have you forgotten the 90s?". So tell me please, which is it? Should we, the fans, change our mentality? Or should we count our blessings due to not being involved in the relegation battle? Most certainly both can't be equally true.

If the primary goal for Pochettino has been to change the underlying mentality, he got some way to go before we can actually deem it a success.

The concluding paragraph of Jonathan Wilson of the Guardian is a good summary:
"For all Pochettino’s best efforts, not far beneath the surface traces of Spursiness still linger."
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ter-united-cup-semi-final-mauricio-pochettino
Better recruitment would help llorente,aurier what's that all about and maybe not be so stubborn about playing certain players such as rose and Toby
 
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