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worcestersauce

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Better recruitment? We’re one of the best clubs at recruitment. Hence the fact we’re competing with teams with much bigger resources and not spent half as much as them. EVERY club can be better are recruitment but no one can be perfect. There is always the element of risk with all signings.
Not sure how to read your argument, our recruitment has been one of the best and we've done absolutely marvelously with our restricted resources but are you saying we should therefore carry on with a restricted budget when we may not need to?
Giving Poch the opportunity to bring in higher quality players would be a good thing wouldn't it? I'm sure Poch would appreciate it. Have I read you correctly?
 

Japhet

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The fact is that we have improved season on season since Poch arrived and we are well ahead of the planned curve. Those around us have spent massive amounts to keep ahead of us. The fact that we are still on that curve seems to have eluded a lot of supporters who seem to think that we should be 'the finished article' already. Get real people FFS!
 

CheeseGromit

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from our own @Allygold:
"There is a frustration from the manager that sections of the media and fanbase can't see his view, that he's created a team that competed and, had it taken its chances, could have beaten a Manchester United side that has had a net spend of £127m this season alone, compared to Tottenham's £14.8m."

I think here is a lot in thsi however it is my opinion that Poch said what he said at his press conference to deflect everybody from the result and any criticism of players to him He will then take the flack

Good management

Having said all that we do need additions to cover Kane, Son and Eriksen ( not the same person)
Pressure will also be on paying them better wages to keep them
 

Johnny J

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For whatever it is worth, and the whispers coming out, Poch is very happy, but not contented. He now believes he wants one good opportunity to have a good swing with quality acquisitions. And I am told he wants LB, 2 ACM, 1 striker that can play different positions. On Toby going (?) he wants another CH, and this I have already addressed.

Now I know the club will back him with circa say 150m, plus monies he generates from sales. He wants proven young quality, and one experienced proven quality between the ages of say 28-32 (my guess).

Yesterday hurt him deep, and he doesn’t believe we have the clinical quality work if Eriksen & Kane not doing it. He wants options.

I honestly do not believe he will sign a new contract extension, unless he has firm assurances. I personally believe the hierarchy will back him fully, and are finding ways to do such.

Btw, please, honestly-STOP talking about new stadium financial restrictions. It is well covered, even if media hasn’t had a sniff. Daniel is in his territory there.

Let’s back Poch rather than slagging him off for tactical naivety on the odd occasions, or his stubbornness on others. We really don’t know what we have in him. We are blessed.
Thanks for the info. If we spend £150m plus sales money I will be very happy.
 

joey.leone

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Has become the Colin Montgomerie of football managers

Monty was the greatest golfer to have never won a major trophy!
Well I hope he will be more of an Andy Murray than a Montgomorie, he experienced plenty of heartache before getting passed that final hurdle.
 

LeSoupeKitchen

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I hope Poch isn't frustrated with the fans. He has to know the overwhelming majority love him to bits.

There will always be idiots and I hate to see those fans have an affect on our staff - like Rose.
 

SPURSLIFE

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Am I the only one that's tired of this "us finishing in the top four is because Chelsea/Man City etc. are weaker" argument? It's such a desperate bottom of the barrel attempt to denigrate what we've achieved and yet it gets trotted out every time we have some bad form.

What have we achieved? Did I miss something?
 

SPURSLIFE

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The fact is that we have improved season on season since Poch arrived and we are well ahead of the planned curve. Those around us have spent massive amounts to keep ahead of us. The fact that we are still on that curve seems to have eluded a lot of supporters who seem to think that we should be 'the finished article' already. Get real people FFS!
How long is that "Curve" likely to be do you think. We've had 3 seasons and it hasn't straighten yet.
 

BringBack_leGin

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Last season we finished 2nd for the first time in 54 seasons. The season before we finished 3rd for the first time in 27 seasons. Last season was the first time we have finished top 3 in consecutive seasons in 54 seasons also, with that 1963 season having been the fourth consecutive top 3 finish with our greatest ever side by some distance. If we do get top 4 this season, it will be the first time we have done that in 3 consecutive seasons for 54 seasons again, with that 1964 season being the fifth consecutive top 4 season.

We finished top 4 in the 60s 5 times, 1 time in the 70s, 4 times in the 80s, once in the 90s (in 1990), never in the 00s and 4 times in the 2010s (twice under Redknapp, twice under Pochettino) with Pochettino probably delivering a fifth (his third) by the end of next month.

That makes the 2010s our most successful decade in the league since the 1960s, with Pochettino our most successful manager in terms of league standings since Bill Nicholson. That is in a time when there are five sides who have had greater resources than us ever year he has been in charge, and therefore in a time where there is far more competition at the top than in any other era of English football.

My point? He's doing a brilliant job, he's not beyond criticism in terms of the individual moments and specific decisions, but any overriding assessment other than 'he's doing a great job, is the right man to continue that great job, and deserves both our support and patience' is a severely flawed assessment.

This isn't Martin Jol, who was loveable but had an obvious ceiling, this isn't Juande Ramos, who effectively shut his eyes and through 12 darts at once at the dart board, and this isn't Harry Redknapp, who produced a great exciting side in the short term but had no thought for long term building blocks. This is a man who is evolving himself and leading our evolution. To question him is fine, but to fail to appreciate him is criminal consider the shit we've had to put up with for so long.
 

SPURSLIFE

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It's known as progression, surely you are not blind to the fact that as a club we have progressed under Pochettino.
I didn't say we hadn't improved I was pointing out we haven't won anything. I agree we have improved but keep failing at the final hurdle so there's something wrong somewhere. So where does the problem lay?
 

Jaddas

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Disappointing result yesterday especially as we can and have beaten them. I think some people have gone a bit overboard with their criticism for Poch and his comments. I think he was as frustrated as we were and wanted to win the FA Cup as well, despite his comments. I have to admit that I was extremely sceptical when he was appointed and actually wanted De Boer (bullet dodged ), but he has been a God-send for us:

- 2 title challenges in a row prior to this season. I'm 43 and this has never happened in my lifetime. Possibly when Sir Bill Nick was manager?
- Barring a huge balls up, we will be in CL for 3 seasons in a row. I remember getting excited 10 years ago when Jol got us into Europa League!
- Finishing above the gooners twice in a row. We hadn't finished above them for 20 years till he came.
- Beating the chavs at their place. Hadn't won their for 3 decades.

Yes, he has his faults. His in-game management is a bit weak, he needs to drop players not in form, shut up shop in some games like Juve, is a bit hit and miss with his choices in transfer market (Aurier, Llorente, Janssen etc), though this could be down to finances. However, I thought after a couple of seasons that he needed to develop a new tactic, and he did when we went 3 at the back. Remember he's only been a manager for around 6 years, not 15 like Jose.

I think he is intelligent enough to change his in-game management. Maybe, he doesn't have much trust in the squad players? I think he will learn as he has done each year.

I don't agree that we have a better team than Utd so should've won yesterday. They have more points than us in the league. Based over the season, only Verts would 100% get in their back 5. In midfield, Dier maybe, Eriksen definitely. In attack, you could only argue Kane. Their bench had Rashford and Martial who most would take in a heart beat. Son and Alli are good, but on a day like yesterday, they try flicks which don't come off, have poor first touches and go a bit missing.

We have a low net spend since he took over with 6th highest wage spend. I'd argue he is over-achieving, though I do acknowledge his weaknesses. Levy needs to back him in the summer and Poch needs to choose very carefully. He might even have to get rid of say Lamela to bring in an improvement. He must be ruthless and think about his weaknesses.

I think we are all frustrated as we could beat Utd and we would've done if Dembele had not checked inside.
 
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