Hengy1
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What blackout? Go on insta and you’ll see Aurier gone to Valencia, Gazzanga, Sissoko also gone away too.
I’m guessing most the squad all gone off for a break
The Mauricio Pochettino thread
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I’m guessing most the squad all gone off for a break
Matthew
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Ahh, don’t use Instagram so probably why, but official feed hasn’t tweeted all day? Just an observation.
Hengy1
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Official site will be throwing out pics of the new stadium all next week to try and turn our attention to some good.
We also aren’t playing till a week Monday so players probably given 3 or 4 days off
Gb160
Well done boys. Good process
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Yeah it'll be 'forget about the crushing defeat at the weekend, look at the lovely tiles we're fitting in the new bogs'.
Scott Spur
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Bad result, yes, bad team no. The fact we’re pissed to be losing to Man U managed by Jose Mourinho with one of the most expensive squads in history shows how far we’ve come under this manager.
Mourinho wrote the book on winning cup competitions, the histrionics and late substitutions killed us dead after 75 minutes, was that an accident?
Poch is the best thing that has happened to this club in two generations and the abuse he’s got on this thread is shameful, you’re either Arsenal infiltrators to SC or deserve to be wearing red. They’ve just driven the most successful manager in PL history out the door, just rock up down their place they’ll be happy to have you.
Success isn’t just about winning a trophy, it’s balanced against where you’ve come from. We had Tim Sherwood managing us a few years ago, let that sink in, Tim Sherwood, with a squad in complete disarray and we were a complete laughing stock.
We don’t have the money that any of the top 6 have, not even close, yet we consistently play at that level punching far above our weight.
Now we’ve challenged for the league, beaten Arsenal on the pitch and in the league, played amazing footballl, rattled the general order of things to the point that the media stabs us in the back any chance they can. They don’t like a team in ‘red’ outside the top 4.....yet that’s not enough for you lot, you back them up with your horse s**t comments. Poch sees this, he’s shown that this weekend and he’s not happy.
Fine, if you can’t back the man and show some respect and patience you aren’t Spurs, you don’t know why Glory is, you don’t know where we’ve come from and cannot for a second see where we are going if we keep this guy at the helm. Back Poch, back the team and keep your stupid comments to yourself or risk losing them, cos if Poch goes so will most of the squad and pretty much everything that has been built too.
Freedom to have an opinion comes with the responsibility to know when to keep your trap shut FFS.
Mourinho wrote the book on winning cup competitions, the histrionics and late substitutions killed us dead after 75 minutes, was that an accident?
Poch is the best thing that has happened to this club in two generations and the abuse he’s got on this thread is shameful, you’re either Arsenal infiltrators to SC or deserve to be wearing red. They’ve just driven the most successful manager in PL history out the door, just rock up down their place they’ll be happy to have you.
Success isn’t just about winning a trophy, it’s balanced against where you’ve come from. We had Tim Sherwood managing us a few years ago, let that sink in, Tim Sherwood, with a squad in complete disarray and we were a complete laughing stock.
We don’t have the money that any of the top 6 have, not even close, yet we consistently play at that level punching far above our weight.
Now we’ve challenged for the league, beaten Arsenal on the pitch and in the league, played amazing footballl, rattled the general order of things to the point that the media stabs us in the back any chance they can. They don’t like a team in ‘red’ outside the top 4.....yet that’s not enough for you lot, you back them up with your horse s**t comments. Poch sees this, he’s shown that this weekend and he’s not happy.
Fine, if you can’t back the man and show some respect and patience you aren’t Spurs, you don’t know why Glory is, you don’t know where we’ve come from and cannot for a second see where we are going if we keep this guy at the helm. Back Poch, back the team and keep your stupid comments to yourself or risk losing them, cos if Poch goes so will most of the squad and pretty much everything that has been built too.
Freedom to have an opinion comes with the responsibility to know when to keep your trap shut FFS.
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Flashspur
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Well, I don’t really know what to say after that...
LexingtonSpurs
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Just food for thought:
Since Poch got here, Spurs have been in 3 Cup Semi-Finals.
Only Liverpool and Chelsea, with 4 each, have been in more Domestic Cup semi-finals in that time period.
Since Poch got here, Spurs have been in 3 Cup Semi-Finals.
Only Liverpool and Chelsea, with 4 each, have been in more Domestic Cup semi-finals in that time period.
I love this update. The only thing I "disagree" with is the following "We really don’t know what we have in him." --- I, like you, and many other fans do understand fully how amazing this man is and has been for us. Which is why we lose our shit when we come across the nonsense we have seen from other "fans."
Thank you for your updates and assurances mate --- COYS!
Scott Spur
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Yes but actually winning The Buildbase FA Trophy, a real cup, would mean we’ve been successful. I know let’s get relegated so we can win it next year!
Gb160
Well done boys. Good process
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Pochettino Has Mastered the Process. A Prize, Any Prize, Still Eludes Him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/21/sports/soccer/tottenham-hotspur-mauricio-pochettino.html
LONDON — As the minutes ticked by and the goal did not arrive, Mauricio Pochettino fidgeted and fretted on the touchline. He crouched down on his haunches. He ran his fingers through his hair. He paced back and forth to his coaching staff, airing his exasperation at his players, the referee, the universe.
When the whistle blew on Saturday, and Tottenham Hotspur’s 2-1 defeat to Manchester United in the F.A. Cup semifinals was confirmed, he was — by his own estimation — “disappointed, frustrated.” He did not look much like a man who considered the F.A. Cup a distraction, a sideline, an irrelevance. He looked, instead, like a man who cared.
That is not the impression he has always given, of course. It would be unfair to say Pochettino, throughout his four years as Spurs’ head coach, has belittled England’s two domestic cups, but he has certainly made clear they are not his priority.
He has earned a reputation for naming weakened teams for cup games. He has spoken frequently of how the momentary elation of winning a trophy is a distant second to a place in the Premier League’s top four. Indeed, only a couple of days before this semifinal, he suggested that winning the F.A. Cup — what would have been Spurs’ first trophy in 10 years — would “not change our lives.”
This defeat — Spurs’ eighth consecutive F.A. Cup semifinal loss — seemed to prompt something of a change of heart. Pochettino’s Spurs lost at the same stage of the same competition last year. The team missed out on the League Cup in 2015, beaten by Chelsea in the final. And, of course, there were the two seasons in which Spurs provided the most consistent challenge for the Premier League title, 2016 and 2017, only to be beaten to the line first by Leicester City and then by Chelsea.
“We are close, we are close, we are close,” Pochettino said. “Nearly close enough to touch.” Every time, though, his team has fallen short. And now, he said, he knows that painstaking, hard-won progress in the league, and improving performances in the Champions League, are no longer “enough.” “The only way to reach this last level, not just to compete, but to win” is to break that seal, to pick up that first trophy, he said.
The view that Spurs needs something tangible not just to prove its progress under Pochettino but to cement it has become something close to received wisdom. Inside the club, players admit — as both Jan Vertonghen and Harry Kane have said — it is time to “win something.”
That belief is, if anything, even stronger on the outside. Alan Shearer, the former England striker, wrote earlier this season that Spurs could not pass up the chance to open its new stadium later this year “with a trophy held aloft.” Only then can Spurs claim a place among the game’s true elite. Until then, it is merely a pretender. Pochettino, finally, has joined the chorus.
And yet it is worth remembering exactly where Tottenham was, what it was, when he first arrived at the club, four years ago.
The last game before Pochettino arrived was in May 2014, a meaningless, meandering home win against Aston Villa. Spurs was sixth at the start of that day, sandwiched between Everton and Manchester United, with European qualification secured but a place in the Champions League impossibly distant.
In Pochettino’s place on the bench at White Hart Lane was his predecessor, Tim Sherwood. For most of the game, at least. Midway through the second half, with his team up, 3-0, Sherwood decided it was time, in his words, for “some banter.”
Not far from the dugout sat a couple of fans who had, Sherwood said, been “telling me what to do every week.” Turning away from the field, Sherwood suddenly pointed to one of them, Danny Grimsdale. Sherwood asked Grimsdale if he wanted to put his money where his mouth was, to come and sit on the bench and see if he could do Sherwood’s job as well as he thought.
Grimsdale demurred at first but soon changed his mind. He trotted over the advertising boards, skipped up to Sherwood, slipped on the manager’s vest — an item of clothing that had become something of a trademark — and duly took his place on the bench. Sherwood laughed. Grimsdale laughed. White Hart Lane laughed.
That is the club that Pochettino found: one of considerable promise, talented players and weighty history, for sure, but one where there tended to be quite a bit of laughter, and not all of it shared with the regulars in the first few rows. Spurs’ taste for self-destruction was such a cliché that an adjective — Spursy — had been coined to encapsulate it.
Spurs was the sort of team that might miss out on Champions League qualification because of a lasagna — or so legend had it — in 2006, and then do so again in 2012 because Chelsea, among its fiercest rivals, won the title to swipe its place.
It was a team that appointed Sherwood as coach, despite deep-seated reservations, and then watched as he went rogue, criticizing his players, his board, and eventually offering his place on the bench to a fan. It was a team that churned through managers and players with little rhyme or reason, a club forever in flux.
Pochettino has changed all of that. His transformation of Tottenham is, when examined not in the heat of a moment and the bitterness of defeat but at one remove, one of the most remarkable achievements in recent English soccer history.
Spurs did not used to reach two semifinals — and one league cup final — in the space of three years. It did not used to beat Real Madrid and Borussia Dortmund in the Champions League. It did not even used to qualify, with the exception of the occasional season under Harry Redknapp, for the Champions League.
It did not used to mount title challenges of any sort, successful or not. It did not used to provide the backbone of the England team, or be seen as a paragon of virtue when it came to youth development. Real Madrid and Paris St.-Germain did not used to look toward its manager with envious eyes; they did not used to talk glowingly of Tim Sherwood in the marble halls of the Bernabéu.
Pochettino’s detractors would point out that none of those are the ultimate aim for a manager, for a team: José Mourinho, Pochettino’s longtime friend and temporary tormentor at Wembley on Saturday, would have no truck with the idea that managerial achievement can be weighed in any other way than silver and gold.
But they are all concrete achievements. Pochettino has fundamentally changed Tottenham’s identity. He has revolutionized how the club is seen, its place in the firmament. And that, by his own estimation, is what he was employed to do.
A few years ago, during his first full season in England, at Southampton, Pochettino was asked whether it is a manager’s aim to win trophies, or to leave some sort of enduring impact on a club, on the sport. “It is better to leave your mark, without doubt,” he said. “That is my personal value.”
He has done that, beyond any reasonable doubt. He has turned Tottenham into a bastion of stability, of progress, of promise. He is right to talk of how “the process is more important than winning a trophy.” What he has done is a greater triumph — and a bigger test of his abilities — than winning the League Cup, or perhaps even its older brother, the F.A. Cup.
Tottenham has not yet shaken off its tag as a perennial loser, the team whose history — as Giorgio Chiellini put it — is “always to be missing something to arrive at the end.” But there is another way of looking at that: Pochettino has put the club in a position to fail at the last again. It is not so long ago that it failed a long way before that.
It is easy to forget just how far Tottenham has come under his guidance, but it is worth remembering. In four years, he has changed where Spurs is, and what it is. Pochettino has made the laughter stop.
Follow Rory Smith on Twitter: @RorySmith.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/21/sports/soccer/tottenham-hotspur-mauricio-pochettino.html
LONDON — As the minutes ticked by and the goal did not arrive, Mauricio Pochettino fidgeted and fretted on the touchline. He crouched down on his haunches. He ran his fingers through his hair. He paced back and forth to his coaching staff, airing his exasperation at his players, the referee, the universe.
When the whistle blew on Saturday, and Tottenham Hotspur’s 2-1 defeat to Manchester United in the F.A. Cup semifinals was confirmed, he was — by his own estimation — “disappointed, frustrated.” He did not look much like a man who considered the F.A. Cup a distraction, a sideline, an irrelevance. He looked, instead, like a man who cared.
That is not the impression he has always given, of course. It would be unfair to say Pochettino, throughout his four years as Spurs’ head coach, has belittled England’s two domestic cups, but he has certainly made clear they are not his priority.
He has earned a reputation for naming weakened teams for cup games. He has spoken frequently of how the momentary elation of winning a trophy is a distant second to a place in the Premier League’s top four. Indeed, only a couple of days before this semifinal, he suggested that winning the F.A. Cup — what would have been Spurs’ first trophy in 10 years — would “not change our lives.”
This defeat — Spurs’ eighth consecutive F.A. Cup semifinal loss — seemed to prompt something of a change of heart. Pochettino’s Spurs lost at the same stage of the same competition last year. The team missed out on the League Cup in 2015, beaten by Chelsea in the final. And, of course, there were the two seasons in which Spurs provided the most consistent challenge for the Premier League title, 2016 and 2017, only to be beaten to the line first by Leicester City and then by Chelsea.
“We are close, we are close, we are close,” Pochettino said. “Nearly close enough to touch.” Every time, though, his team has fallen short. And now, he said, he knows that painstaking, hard-won progress in the league, and improving performances in the Champions League, are no longer “enough.” “The only way to reach this last level, not just to compete, but to win” is to break that seal, to pick up that first trophy, he said.
The view that Spurs needs something tangible not just to prove its progress under Pochettino but to cement it has become something close to received wisdom. Inside the club, players admit — as both Jan Vertonghen and Harry Kane have said — it is time to “win something.”
That belief is, if anything, even stronger on the outside. Alan Shearer, the former England striker, wrote earlier this season that Spurs could not pass up the chance to open its new stadium later this year “with a trophy held aloft.” Only then can Spurs claim a place among the game’s true elite. Until then, it is merely a pretender. Pochettino, finally, has joined the chorus.
And yet it is worth remembering exactly where Tottenham was, what it was, when he first arrived at the club, four years ago.
The last game before Pochettino arrived was in May 2014, a meaningless, meandering home win against Aston Villa. Spurs was sixth at the start of that day, sandwiched between Everton and Manchester United, with European qualification secured but a place in the Champions League impossibly distant.
In Pochettino’s place on the bench at White Hart Lane was his predecessor, Tim Sherwood. For most of the game, at least. Midway through the second half, with his team up, 3-0, Sherwood decided it was time, in his words, for “some banter.”
Not far from the dugout sat a couple of fans who had, Sherwood said, been “telling me what to do every week.” Turning away from the field, Sherwood suddenly pointed to one of them, Danny Grimsdale. Sherwood asked Grimsdale if he wanted to put his money where his mouth was, to come and sit on the bench and see if he could do Sherwood’s job as well as he thought.
Grimsdale demurred at first but soon changed his mind. He trotted over the advertising boards, skipped up to Sherwood, slipped on the manager’s vest — an item of clothing that had become something of a trademark — and duly took his place on the bench. Sherwood laughed. Grimsdale laughed. White Hart Lane laughed.
That is the club that Pochettino found: one of considerable promise, talented players and weighty history, for sure, but one where there tended to be quite a bit of laughter, and not all of it shared with the regulars in the first few rows. Spurs’ taste for self-destruction was such a cliché that an adjective — Spursy — had been coined to encapsulate it.
Spurs was the sort of team that might miss out on Champions League qualification because of a lasagna — or so legend had it — in 2006, and then do so again in 2012 because Chelsea, among its fiercest rivals, won the title to swipe its place.
It was a team that appointed Sherwood as coach, despite deep-seated reservations, and then watched as he went rogue, criticizing his players, his board, and eventually offering his place on the bench to a fan. It was a team that churned through managers and players with little rhyme or reason, a club forever in flux.
Pochettino has changed all of that. His transformation of Tottenham is, when examined not in the heat of a moment and the bitterness of defeat but at one remove, one of the most remarkable achievements in recent English soccer history.
Spurs did not used to reach two semifinals — and one league cup final — in the space of three years. It did not used to beat Real Madrid and Borussia Dortmund in the Champions League. It did not even used to qualify, with the exception of the occasional season under Harry Redknapp, for the Champions League.
It did not used to mount title challenges of any sort, successful or not. It did not used to provide the backbone of the England team, or be seen as a paragon of virtue when it came to youth development. Real Madrid and Paris St.-Germain did not used to look toward its manager with envious eyes; they did not used to talk glowingly of Tim Sherwood in the marble halls of the Bernabéu.
Pochettino’s detractors would point out that none of those are the ultimate aim for a manager, for a team: José Mourinho, Pochettino’s longtime friend and temporary tormentor at Wembley on Saturday, would have no truck with the idea that managerial achievement can be weighed in any other way than silver and gold.
But they are all concrete achievements. Pochettino has fundamentally changed Tottenham’s identity. He has revolutionized how the club is seen, its place in the firmament. And that, by his own estimation, is what he was employed to do.
A few years ago, during his first full season in England, at Southampton, Pochettino was asked whether it is a manager’s aim to win trophies, or to leave some sort of enduring impact on a club, on the sport. “It is better to leave your mark, without doubt,” he said. “That is my personal value.”
He has done that, beyond any reasonable doubt. He has turned Tottenham into a bastion of stability, of progress, of promise. He is right to talk of how “the process is more important than winning a trophy.” What he has done is a greater triumph — and a bigger test of his abilities — than winning the League Cup, or perhaps even its older brother, the F.A. Cup.
Tottenham has not yet shaken off its tag as a perennial loser, the team whose history — as Giorgio Chiellini put it — is “always to be missing something to arrive at the end.” But there is another way of looking at that: Pochettino has put the club in a position to fail at the last again. It is not so long ago that it failed a long way before that.
It is easy to forget just how far Tottenham has come under his guidance, but it is worth remembering. In four years, he has changed where Spurs is, and what it is. Pochettino has made the laughter stop.
Follow Rory Smith on Twitter: @RorySmith.
Matrix
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Watch the Pep interview on Sky. He mentions that he knew he had something special on his hands this year when he saw them beat us in the pre season as we were the team he couldn’t beat the previous season. Even though it was a preseason game it shows how much he considered is a threat over Utd and Liverpool. That should show how far we have come along; that the so
Called best manager in the world used us as a barometer to gage how well they would do on the league this season.
Poch has changed everyone’s view of Tottenham Hotspur.
Called best manager in the world used us as a barometer to gage how well they would do on the league this season.
Poch has changed everyone’s view of Tottenham Hotspur.
that sadly makes sense....the curious one is LB as we are all assuming Rose can't be shifted....so would we have 3 LBs?
Or is this the Rose for Shaw deal?
Understand that you prob can't say...
love it mate --- well said
ClintEastwould
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Winner post.
He’s still the right man, he’s more important to this club than anyone else.
Something seems to have changed though, his comments after the game, the complete media blackout from the club post game - even Toby’s PR team haven’t tweeted how gutted he is.
Something seems to have changed though, his comments after the game, the complete media blackout from the club post game - even Toby’s PR team haven’t tweeted how gutted he is.
Gassin's finest
C'est diabolique
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Get in my son, fucking 'ave it!
spursfan77
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Feels like we could all do with one of those!
At least once the season ends we will have a few weeks before getting to experience another England World Cup masterclass!
HW61
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What winds me up about these so called media experts is that they seem to celebrate and want the likes of Man U, Man City, and Chelsea to succeed and win everything with their dodge money. They thrive on flying in with their criticism of Spurs at the slightest chance trying to sell our best players.
What spurs and Poch are doing is astounding. The pundits should rave about us. We’ve buried loads of hoodoos over the past 2 years. Don’t give a crap others outside our club think. They’re not the brightest.
Be proud. We have something very unique and special.
What spurs and Poch are doing is astounding. The pundits should rave about us. We’ve buried loads of hoodoos over the past 2 years. Don’t give a crap others outside our club think. They’re not the brightest.
Be proud. We have something very unique and special.
cookiemonster
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Wonder who he will fall out with and refuse to play them next season after Walker Rose and Alderwierald
My money's on Ali or Dier....maybe both
My money's on Ali or Dier....maybe both
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