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whether or not we take it seriously, we've not beaten a single Top 6 side in a knockout game under him. we've lost to Man U, Chelsea (x2), Liverpool and Arsenal. and if we're going to use the "well they've got more money than us" excuse for not being able to manage a single victory, then how come we've also lost to Leicester, Palace, and West Ham in that time too?

if it's all down to money, then we shouldn't be losing to poorer teams. and if it's just "football" then we should be winning some and losing some against both rich and poor teams. that record tells me that at least part (and I'd argue it's the biggest part) of the problem is down to us and nothing/no-one else.

EDIT: @Vinny_Sammways_left_peg, you're how old exactly?
You do realise that there is no debating with you. You don't like a single answer anyone offers up, yet I've seen multiple posts this morning be pretty balanced all round including Poch, the players, off the field etc.

Not sure what you're looking for to be honest, the answers you seek will only come in time doesn't matter how many times you roll out the same/similar/obtuse arguments.

My age is not important here what is important is you haven't let go of Saturday's result. The sooner you do the less time you'll be asking the same questions here in different guises.
 

PeeEyeEmPee

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You do realise that there is no debating with you. You don't like a single answer anyone offers up, yet I've seen multiple posts this morning be pretty balanced all round including Poch, the players, off the field etc.

Not sure what you're looking for to be honest, the answers you seek will only come in time doesn't matter how many times you roll out the same/similar/obtuse arguments.

My age is not important here what is important is you haven't let go of Saturday's result. The sooner you do the less time you'll be asking the same questions here in different guises.
you're not attempting to debate anything though. you're simply running around from thread to thread shouting down any criticism and trying to rationalise everything with "it's football". which is perfectly fine for you to do, of course, but doesn't say much about your ability to debate or critically analyse even the simplest of points.
 
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you're not attempting to debate anything though. you're simply running around from thread to thread shouting down any criticism and trying to rationalise everything with "it's football". which is perfectly fine for you to do, of course, but doesn't say much about your ability to debate or critically analyse even the simplest of points.
Am I? I wasn't aware that I was, I thought I was debating with you, but you won't debate you just keep rolling out the same arguments.

You have pretty much ignored most of what has been written over the last two pages to continue pushing your pretty tunnel vision opinion. Others have even agreed with your sentiment but you've overlooked that to over state a loss in a cup semi final.

I certainly have nothing to debate with someone whose view is of only pure negativity.
 

PeeEyeEmPee

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Belittle away but the fact is we got there. We didn’t choose our opponents.
the point isn't whether or not we've got there, it's that our defeats seem to follow a predictable pattern. as soon as we come up against anybody decent in a knockout scenario we lose, even though we've been fully capable of beating them all. we're never going to win anything without beating a top team somewhere along the way, so the excuses will have to stop at some point.
 

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whether or not we take it seriously, we've not beaten a single Top 6 side in a knockout game under him. we've lost to Man U, Chelsea (x2), Liverpool and Arsenal. and if we're going to use the "well they've got more money than us" excuse for not being able to manage a single victory, then how come we've also lost to Leicester, Palace, and West Ham in that time too?

if it's all down to money, then we shouldn't be losing to poorer teams. and if it's just "football" then we should be winning some and losing some against both rich and poor teams. that record tells me that at least part (and I'd argue it's the biggest part) of the problem is down to us and nothing/no-one else.

EDIT: @Vinny_Sammways_left_peg, you're how old exactly?

Why does there have to be a reason for these losses? This season we’ve beaten Madrid and lost to Leicester.

Everything in football needing a ‘reason’ is what is ruining football. I blame the over the top punditry that over analyses ever goal so that nobody ever scores unless there’s a mistake and the FIFA playing generation who think that because you control everything that happens on a console, real football is the same.

Appreciate and agree with the general sentiment. But who’ve we played to get there?

Does it matter who we’ve played to get there? In recent years Man Utd have lost to MK Dons, City lost a final to Wigan, Arsenal lost to Nottingham Forest etc etc.

We’ve had several league defeats under Pochettino that shouldn’t have happened, but the difference is that league football allows you to even itself out over 38 games with a few wins that weren’t on the cards. In cup football, you lose and it is over.
 

PeeEyeEmPee

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Am I? I wasn't aware that I was, I thought I was debating with you, but you won't debate you just keep rolling out the same arguments.

You have pretty much ignored most of what has been written over the last two pages to continue pushing your pretty tunnel vision opinion. Others have even agreed with your sentiment but you've overlooked that to over state a loss in a cup semi final.

I certainly have nothing to debate with someone whose view is of only pure negativity.
am I supposed to write thank-you letters to the ones agreeing with me or something? I've not ignored or overlooked anything, I'm merely responding to points I don't agree with.

as you're unable to make any coherent arguments today, how about you just go back to passive-aggressively negging my posts instead?
 

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The media have taken his “me or someone else managing THFC” line to say that’s off. Obviously because that’s the common narrative. But what if he meant it the other way. That his job is under pressure for not getting to the final?

After reading his book he’s in no qualms as to how ruthless football is.

I am 100% not saying he should be sacked, that would be a disaster, but what if that’s what he meant?
 
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am I supposed to write thank-you letters to the ones agreeing with me or something? I've not ignored or overlooked anything, I'm merely responding to points I don't agree with.

as you're unable to make any coherent arguments today, how about you just go back to passive-aggressively negging my posts instead?
Thing is you don't agree with anything but your own opinion.

I'm happy to continue to 'neg' you if you like. I mean it's only a message board.
 

PeeEyeEmPee

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Why does there have to be a reason for these losses? This season we’ve beaten Madrid and lost to Leicester.

Everything in football needing a ‘reason’ is what is ruining football. I blame the over the top punditry that over analyses ever goal so that nobody ever scores unless there’s a mistake and the FIFA playing generation who think that because you control everything that happens on a console, real football is the same.
it's what happens when you keep faltering in the same way. you try to understand the reasons why so the trend can be reversed. that's not just football, it's life.
 

sunnydelight786

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How is getting to two consecutive semi finals “sacking it off”?

Are you disagreeing that we should prioritise the league and CL?
Care to mention the ‘top’ teams we beat in our run or how once we’ve reached the semi why we never played our strongest teams once we’ve reached that stage? How about how we threw the tie against BVB 2 years back?
I’ll say it again we’re not winning the CL or PL anytime soon so why not take the cups more seriously and stop talking them down at every opportunity. 27 bloody years since we’ve won the biggest domestic cup comp in world football #Shameful
 
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The media have taken his “me or someone else managing THFC” line to say that’s off. Obviously because that’s the common narrative. But what if he meant it the other way. That his job is under pressure for not getting to the final?

After reading his book he’s in no qualms as to how ruthless football is.

I am 100% not saying he should be sacked, that would be a disaster, but what if that’s what he meant?
If he meant anything by it at all perhaps - it's been mooted both on here and within the media - that Poch may have in some way been aiming it at those upstairs. You could see his point in regards to backing/the squad.

We all read what we want into comments made a lot of the time. I doubt he is facing the sack, I agree with you.
 

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it's what happens when you keep faltering in the same way. you try to understand the reasons why so the trend can be reversed. that's not just football, it's life.

How long are you talking about here? The last 2 years or are you talking about every semi we’ve lost since 91?

If it’s the first fair enough but if it’s the latter then I think its pointless.
 

PeeEyeEmPee

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I'm talking about us in cup competitions under Pochettino, and the pattern I refer to is us losing to the very first "proper" side we face.
 

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Is Wembley really a neutral ground this season? Ok it’s not ours but 85% of the fans at every game are ours. Why is it any different to signing a new player who had never played at WHL before? Why does everyone class playing at Wembley as playing 38 away games? By that reckoning West Ham will play every season “away”
 

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Belittle away but the fact is we got there. We didn’t choose our opponents.

Doesn’t mean we take the cups seriously enough.
Why does there have to be a reason for these losses? This season we’ve beaten Madrid and lost to Leicester.

Everything in football needing a ‘reason’ is what is ruining football. I blame the over the top punditry that over analyses ever goal so that nobody ever scores unless there’s a mistake and the FIFA playing generation who think that because you control everything that happens on a console, real football is the same.



Does it matter who we’ve played to get there? In recent years Man Utd have lost to MK Dons, City lost a final to Wigan, Arsenal lost to Nottingham Forest etc etc.

We’ve had several league defeats under Pochettino that shouldn’t have happened, but the difference is that league football allows you to even itself out over 38 games with a few wins that weren’t on the cards. In cup football, you lose and it is over.

I’m not sure you can pin wins against Newport, Sheffield Utd etc to ‘taking it seriously’

As for City, Utd and Arsenal’s hiccups? Well they’ve also won shit when it mattered. Not sure we’re in that boat.
 

E17yid

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I'm talking about us in cup competitions under Pochettino, and the pattern I refer to is us losing to the very first "proper" side we face.

That’s fair enough but you’re only talking about a handful of games against elite opposition.

I’m sure Poch cares I can’t imagine he’s not bothered by it but it’s cup competitions at the end of the day, a lot less predictable
 
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Doesn’t mean we take the cups seriously enough.
How much more seriously are we meant to take them then?

I don't understand, you asked the question who did we beat to get there and then move the goal posts so to speak to change the argument.
 
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