The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Deleted member 27995]

I agree wholeheartedly he needs to be more media-savvy. Like I said earlier, a lot of it boils down to the frustration with the line-up not being our strongest and comments which were always going to be taken out of context.

Winning the FA Cup, the Carabao Cup even, won’t change our lives - but could lay the necessary foundations for this team to go on and win something that would. Not to mention it would put to bed that “Needs to win something” chestnut

That was our strongest team out on Saturday based upon how Poch has played it in the FA Cup this year (unless you count Hugo and then that opens up another can of worms). The final hurdle is to win something, and based on the four years under the guidance of Poch that the Cups are important, even if his words are taken and twisted to fit a different naritive.

As for the 'needs to win something' line - if we win a cup does it stop there? Probably not, we all know what it will become and it's pretty much what most top teams aspire too. It won't change the printed and spoken word about what is expected next.

Spurs do need to take that next step and win something and for the most part as a fan base we're probably all on the same page. I guess some will have more patience than others and those with less, it's fine too. After all it'll be silverware in a cabinet that has been lacking for some time. Hopefully it isn't too far away.

 

[guiltyparty]

Incredible people forget we were unbeaten for 14 games in PL before city. We lost to a great city team, were a bit flat against Brighton who have been great at home. And lost a 50/50 game to United. In context it’s hardly a crisis. If we struggle against Watford then I’ll start worrying. But right now there should be no panic.

No panic, it’s completely in our hands. But a realistic appreciation of the task is necessary no? I’m amazed how blase some fans are about the run in. I trust the team isn’t similarly under estimating it.

(And we’d done really well the season before we got spanked by Newcastle too.)

 

[guiltyparty]

why can't we consider both sides of the coin? why must it be one or the other?

Sssh, they’ll find out what goes in sausages next

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[Deleted member 27995]

Sssh, they’ll find out what goes in sausages next

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Are you saying it isn't sausage?

 

[guiltyparty]

2017/18: FA cup semi final
2016/17: FA cup semi final
2014/15: League Cup final.

I’d say, regardless of what is said publicly, he takes domestic cups seriously enough.

This is the unpalatable truth for many. We don’t throw the cups, we’re just not good enough to win them. But easier to think Poch’s dropped a clanger than take that truth bomb on the chin, eh?

 

[guiltyparty]

Are you saying it isn't sausage?

That’s the one. Grown on the sausage tree ??

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Grown on the sausage tree ??

Truth bomb on the chin!

 

[BringBack_leGin]

"similar ability", and we've lost every one of the 5 matches we've played against them in the cups these last few season. that suggests an issue, no?

It would suggest an issue if we weren’t beating them in the league. Thankfully, we’ve beaten them all in the league quite regularly.

The truth of the matter is that our form has declined at the wrong time, we struggled over the line v Stoke, were battered by City and were totally flat v Brighton. That’s why we lost the semi final, because we’ve been playing poorly for a few weeks and continued to do so v Utd when, barring the opening exchanged, we faltered as soon as Utd equalised.

This is the unpalatable truth for many. We don’t throw the cups, we’re just not good enough to win them. But easier to think Poch’s dropped a clanger than take that truth bomb on the chin, eh?

Sadly, yes.

 

[Sandros Shiny Head]

This is the unpalatable truth for many. We don’t throw the cups, we’re just not good enough to win them. But easier to think Poch’s dropped a clanger than take that truth bomb on the chin, eh?

A team with a decent defence and best CB in the country plus world class forwards and one of the best goalscorers on the planet isn't good enough to win a cup?

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

It would suggest an issue if we weren’t beating them in the league. Thankfully, we’ve beaten them all in the league quite regularly.

The truth of the matter is that our form has declined at the wrong time, we struggled over the line v Stoke, were battered by City and were totally flat v Brighton. That’s why we lost the semi final, because we’ve been playing poorly for a few weeks and continued to do so v Utd when, barring the opening exchanged, we faltered as soon as Utd equalised.
I agree, I am sorry it is not a blip- I really haven’t seen us play really well for 90 mins in 5 games. We could have easily been beaten by stoke and Brighton and that is not the form we need right now. Sorry nothing short of a dominant winning performance against Watford will change my mind on this. We need to buck up our ideas or we could be left with a lot more than having another season without a cup.
CL football is an absolute must and if Poch fails to bring that this year he has failed by his own yardstick “ to always progress” this is what he says is important and I don’t think we have really progressed this season. ( unless someone can pull out some stats) and definitely not if we finish outside CL positions.
Watford is a big big game. Not all over win or lose but pressure very much on or off depending on result, and I would say a draw is a pressure on result also. Chelski will smell blood if we draw, gotta win!!


Sadly, yes.

 

[DCSPUR]

ossie knows:
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-under-mauricio-pochettino-says-ossie-ardiles

 

[Trix]

The insistence that, in the grand scheme of things, it’s not going to take us to a new level. It’s not going to change our lives.

This is what the players have heard for years now. When it comes down to it, we never want it as much as the other team.

Even if it’s true that the FA Cup isn’t the PL, or CL, it’s irrelevant to a team that’s won 1 league cup in a decade.

Sorry but the way we started on Saturday tells me the players wanted it. We were beaten tactically on Saturday when Mourinho stopped Dembele, and sat his midfield deeper to cut off our/Eriksen's passing lanes.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

It would suggest an issue if we weren’t beating them in the league. Thankfully, we’ve beaten them all in the league quite regularly.

The truth of the matter is that our form has declined at the wrong time, we struggled over the line v Stoke, were battered by City and were totally flat v Brighton. That’s why we lost the semi final, because we’ve been playing poorly for a few weeks and continued to do so v Utd when, barring the opening exchanged, we faltered as soon as Utd equalised.

no, it suggests an issue in cups. we win our fair share of league games against the same sides, but lose every single one in the cups. what's the biggest difference between the league and cups? the fact that in the cup, everything rides on the outcome of a single game. we haven't yet shown we can deal with that pressure yet.

 

[Khilari]

That was our strongest team out on Saturday based upon how Poch has played it in the FA Cup this year (unless you count Hugo and then that opens up another can of Vorms)...

 

[RichieS]

It’s ok. It’s been a few days and I reckon you can go outside now. Maybe just pop to the shops and back. Small steps.

I would suggest he takes normal steps as he'll get there quicker that way.

 

[guiltyparty]

A team with a decent defence and best CB in the country plus world class forwards and one of the best goalscorers on the planet isn't good enough to win a cup?

Evidently, as we haven’t won one.

For all those things we are, Utd, Juve and Chelsea (twice) specifically have been better and more streetwise when it matters.

Football isn’t played on paper, teams do not exist in microcosms, injuries, experience and form have impact, and just because we don’t win doesn’t mean we threw the game. To think so is as arrogant as it is unrealistic.

Until we win silverware we’ve not been good enough to win silverware. Sorry to be the crushing voice of reality...

 

[beats1]

2017/18: FA cup semi final
2016/17: FA cup semi final
2014/15: League Cup final.

I’d say, regardless of what is said publicly, he takes domestic cups seriously enough.

Interestingly, here was our run of teams to get to those semi's and final
2017/18 FA Cup: AFC Wimbledon, Newport County, Rochdale and Swansea before being knocked out by Manchester United
2016/17 FA Cup: Aston Villa, Wycombe, Fulham and Millwall before being knocked out by Chelsea
2014/15 EFL Cup: Nottingham Forest, Brighton, Newcastle and Sheffield Utd before losing to Chelsea

There is a pattern of soon us playing some quality we start to choke, I'm interested to see who else we lost to in domestic cups

2015/16 FA Cup: Leicester City and Colchester United before getting knocked out by Crystal Palace
2014/15 FA Cup: Burnley before getting knocked out by Leicester

2017/18 EFL Cup: Barnsley before we got knocked out by West Ham
2016/17 EFL Cup: Gillingham before we got knocked out by Liverpool
2015/16 EFL Cup: Knocked out by Arsenal

I didnt intend to write this post but one thing I learned is that the only top team we have ever won against in the domestic cup is Leicester and they rested their best players while we started the best 11 available to us, of course they won the premier league that season

This is the unpalatable truth for many. We don’t throw the cups, we’re just not good enough to win them. But easier to think Poch’s dropped a clanger than take that truth bomb on the chin, eh?

So Arsenal who have won 3 trophies in the last 4 years are good enough?

 

[SpartanSpur]

Sorry but the way we started on Saturday tells me the players wanted it. We were beaten tactically on Saturday when Mourinho stopped Dembele, and sat his midfield deeper to cut off our/Eriksen's passing lanes.

Very true. Mourinho did a job on us. Sucked the life out of the game and made it very difficult for us to create.

As you said, we were bang on it until the equaliser. Mourinho still needed the rub of the green. Lukaku's awful control being a perfect layoff for the winner, and Dier's shot hitting the post rather than the bottom corner being vital.

It did feel like a bit of a surrender, and it may have been mentally to some extent, but that was classic Jose. Funny how the Utd fans are so high on him right now despite the boring football, they know it was all him.

I consider Pep to be a bit similar to Poch in that respect, great coaches and team builders but maybe lacking a bit in big game tactics, where the likes of Jose and Benitez shine. So in conclusion all it'll take is a billion petrodollars to get the silverware rolling in...

 

[guiltyparty]

Interestingly, here was our run of teams to get to those semi's and final
2017/18 FA Cup: AFC Wimbledon, Newport County, Rochdale and Swansea before being knocked out by Manchester United
2016/17 FA Cup: Aston Villa, Wycombe, Fulham and Millwall before being knocked out by Chelsea
2014/15 EFL Cup: Nottingham Forest, Brighton, Newcastle and Sheffield Utd before losing to Chelsea

There is a pattern of soon us playing some quality we start to choke, I'm interested to see who else we lost to in domestic cups

2015/16 FA Cup: Leicester City and Colchester United before getting knocked out by Crystal Palace
2014/15 FA Cup: Burnley before getting knocked out by Leicester

2017/18 EFL Cup: Barnsley before we got knocked out by West Ham
2016/17 EFL Cup: Gillingham before we got knocked out by Liverpool
2015/16 EFL Cup: Knocked out by Arsenal

I didnt intend to write this post but one thing I learned is that the only top team we have ever won against in the domestic cup is Leicester and they rested their best players while we started the best 11 available to us, of course they won the premier league that season

So Arsenal who have won 3 trophies in the last 4 years are good enough?

Yes. That’s how cup competitions work. It’s not just about a talented team on paper, it’s in the head too that forms “good enough”. Just as the Harlem Globetrotters wouldn’t win the NBA.

And we comprehensively fail again and again whenever, as you say, we meet decent competition in high pressure environments. Same in Europe too - or in the case of Gent, they don’t even have to be very good, just competent.

Similarly you weren’t good enough to win the league if you don’t win it.

It’s a real denial defence to constantly say we’re good enough when we fail. We need to own failure and admit we weren’t good enough, must try harder.

Learning is good, nothing to be afraid of.

 

[beats1]

Yes. That’s how cup competitions work. It’s not just about a talented team on paper, it’s in the head too that forms “good enough”. Just as the Harlem Globetrotters wouldn’t win the NBA.

And we comprehensively fail again and again whenever, as you say, we meet decent competition in high pressure environments. Same in Europe too - or in the case of Gent, they don’t even have to be very good, just competent.

Similarly you weren’t good enough to win the league if you don’t win it.

It’s a real denial defence to constantly say we’re good enough when we fail. We need to own failure and admit we weren’t good enough, must try harder.

Learning is good, nothing to be afraid of.

TBF its not just the manager nor the players as there have been plenty of changes, it's also the club

I think for us to be one of the top teams we need a manager or player(who still has something to offer) who has won things at the highest level