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Krule

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Yes. That’s how cup competitions work. It’s not just about a talented team on paper, it’s in the head too that forms “good enough”. Just as the Harlem Globetrotters wouldn’t win the NBA.

And we comprehensively fail again and again whenever, as you say, we meet decent competition in high pressure environments. Same in Europe too - or in the case of Gent, they don’t even have to be very good, just competent.

Similarly you weren’t good enough to win the league if you don’t win it.

It’s a real denial defence to constantly say we’re good enough when we fail. We need to own failure and admit we weren’t good enough, must try harder.

Learning is good, nothing to be afraid of.

That one line captured the whole ethos required...."We need to own failure"....don't dismiss it but learn from it...feel the pain it causes and resolve to not feel it again...accept that failure exists but strive to ensure its avoided and not welcomed with a shrug of the shoulders.....(y)(y)
 

guiltyparty

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TBF its not just the manager nor the players as there have been plenty of changes, it's also the club

I think for us to be one of the top teams we need a manager or player(who still has something to offer) who has won things at the highest level

I don’t mean it as a criticism, it’s just a fact of life. And yes, there’s a level of “been there, done it” needed. It’s why Toby’s ostracising has been so noticeable i’d say - not on his form but on his experience and savviness.

Slightly random, long-winded story, but bear with me...

In my industry, awards, while not having the power they once had, are still seen as a big deal and validation of your work. There are four main awards ceremonies, usually dominated by the big four rich companies in the industry, and you could see them as the domestic cups of our world as they’re nice baubles to put on your CV but you get bugger all financial reward, ha.

First three brands I worked for used to apply for them but there was no plan. They’d get shortlisted occasionally through particularly notable achievements but rarely win. Most of the time we wouldn’t be shortlisted.

Many fists were shook at the sky as others were shortlisted/won instead, “we woz robbed” etc. They stopped applying for them all. And I just thought that’s how it was. You win some, you lose some, but be nice to win once.

Then I joined a start-up. Four guys from different companies had pooled their industry knowledge. And as a start up they NEEDED awards to validate them, as they had no history and not a lot of sway.

So they didn’t only apply for everything (not just the four majors, EVERYTHING), they analysed everything, too: previous winners, their applications, their statements, winner trends, initiatives that worked, ones that didn’t, what employees were more likely to win, what application narratives were likeliest to win, etc.

Work and projects were initiated specifically targeted at winning awards. Any employee entering an award was taken off of normal work duties to focus solely on their applications (this never happened at other places, you had to squeeze it into your spare time)

And in our first year we won 2 awards, beating some huge industry players. In our second year we won 5. In my two years there our brand won more awards than I’d seen won the six years before, at bigger companies and more established brands, by learning to be savvy, by owning failure and turning it to our advantage, and studying how to win.

And from the recognition of those awards, these guys built a multi million pound business. (And yes, then they sold up, altho the company they left behind still wins awards every year.) It’s something I’ve taken forward with me, and have been lucky enough to win several awards since at several different firms.

You can approach cups or awards as luck of the draw, shots in the dark, and nice to haves, but there’s an art to winning them and serial winners usually have a formula, and take every award massively seriously, as winning breeds not just winning but the expectation of others that you could, and should, win.
 
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ajspurs

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So Simon Thomas who worked for Sky Sports has just left as he'd suffered a loss, someone by the name of Gemma who I can only assume was his wife and had issued a statement in his decision to leave and went on to thank people such as those at Norwich and the FA but also said a thank you to Mauricio Pochettino who in his words had written him a lovely letter shortly after Gemma had died. I'm not sure if that was common knowledge but that's really nice to hear.
 

'O Zio

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So Simon Thomas who worked for Sky Sports has just left as he'd suffered a loss, someone by the name of Gemma who I can only assume was his wife and had issued a statement in his decision to leave and went on to thank people such as those at Norwich and the FA but also said a thank you to Mauricio Pochettino who in his words had written him a lovely letter shortly after Gemma had died. I'm not sure if that was common knowledge but that's really nice to hear.

It happened quite a while ago but yeah his wife was diagnosed with cancer and something crazy like 3 days later she was dead, leaving behind Simon and their young lad. Absolutely heartbreaking. It's one thing to lose your wife so young but for it to all happen in such a short space of time before you even have a chance to come to terms with the diagnosis really is gut-wrenching.

Like I say, class act from Poch.
 

DCSPUR

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he made some terrific comments today and, the media team also did a nice piece with Poch, Kane, CE etc. poking fun at themselves a bit
 

ajspurs

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It happened quite a while ago but yeah his wife was diagnosed with cancer and something crazy like 3 days later she was dead, leaving behind Simon and their young lad. Absolutely heartbreaking. It's one thing to lose your wife so young but for it to all happen in such a short space of time before you even have a chance to come to terms with the diagnosis really is gut-wrenching.

Like I say, class act from Poch.

Yeah I vaguely remember actually, that's definitely heartbreaking. I couldn't imagine having to cope with that.
 

Lilbaz

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Dier scores that goal and we go on to win, poch did great.
Dier hits post and utd go on to win, poch treats the competition with disdain.

Poch shouldn't need to motivate the players to win that game. Many of them have never won a trophy. Is the fa cup as important to us as getting cl football next season? No. But it doesn't mean that we didn't want to win it.

The problem is mentality of the players and the fans. Utd are arrogant and believe they have a right to win trophies. We do not have that mentality yet. We need a bit of luck and winning something will happen, when it does more will follow. But poch is not the problem.
 

AnotherSpursFan

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Pochs downplayin the FA cup so that in case we lost, the team doesnt lose trust in the long term project. You think he doesnt want win? look at his reaction after the game
 

Bobbins

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...yet that’s not enough for you lot, you back them up with your horse s**t comments. Poch sees this, he’s shown that this weekend and he’s not happy.

Fine, if you can’t back the man and show some respect and patience you aren’t Spurs, you don’t know why Glory is, you don’t know where we’ve come from and cannot for a second see where we are going if we keep this guy at the helm. Back Poch, back the team and keep your stupid comments to yourself or risk losing them, cos if Poch goes so will most of the squad and pretty much everything that has been built too.

Freedom to have an opinion comes with the responsibility to know when to keep your trap shut FFS.

This does sound a lot like you think Poch regularly browses SC and is also the world’s most sensitive man who would decide to walk out of a job because a few people on the internet questioned some of his substitutions.

I’m pretty sure no-one has to keep their trap shut - this is a football forum, the exact place for people to express their opinions about football, it’s not Cold War East Germany.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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Poch says he is staying...

Tottenham boss Mauricio Pochettino has clarified comments he made after the FA Cup defeat to Manchester United, insisting his future remains at Spurs.

Pochettino appeared to cast doubt on his future in the aftermath of last weekend's disappointing 2-1 semi-final loss, when he said: "Tottenham need more time with me or with another, but the most important thing is to keep going and keep developing that philosophy that is fantastic for this club."

But speaking ahead of Monday Night's clash with Watford, live on Sky Sports Premier League, Pochettino says he intends to fulfil, and possibly extend his contract in north London.


But, I love this quote:

"After three or four years now we are able to compete with clubs like United, City, Chelsea or Liverpool but there is still a lot of work to do."


Its probably an oversight, but I love that he did not include Arsenal in that list....


http://www.skysports.com/football/n...tenham-as-if-he-is-going-to-be-there-for-life
 

lukespurs7

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Long story short our fullbacks aren’t dynamic or athletic or skilful enough to play how Poch wants us to play. Therefore teams compact the middle so our n.o 10’s and Kane have no space and we play it to the fullback where we’ve hopefully overloaded or switch it to the other full back opposite to the side we’ve overloaded. Issue is Trippier and Davies NEVER beat a man 1v1 and then get a cross in from a dangerous area it’s always just a cross from too wide and deep or a safe pass backwards, this is exactly what man.u did to us 2nd half of FA CUP and we looked like we had no threat at all.

As much as I like Trippier and Davies I think if we want to go to another level then they both need upgrading as vs anyone not in top6 it’s not an issue as we find a solution but when we are matched or bettered quality wise we need our FB’s to help in the attacking way we play. OR we need one or two different attacking options from the bench who can unlock a defence or another striker to occupy their defensive players so FB’s become more free.

Hopefully Poch realises this.

Aurier with more coaching and a full pre season should be fine at RB and a fit and in the right headspace Rose would be perfect also but he looks like he’s off so we need a replacement there. If also sell Trippier and promote KWP as he’s still young and has the athleticism to play the FB role we need better.

This will make a huge difference for us, otherwise we aren’t too far off where we need to be. We also need a new creative CM who can also drive forward and get some goals.

Then we need city so somehow drop a level next year and for teams to work out how to play them.

Idea squad for next season:
Lloris
Vorm

Aurier
KWP

Sanchez
Foyth

Jan
De Ligt

Sessongon
New LB

Dier
Wantama

Dembele
Winks + Gomez

Son
Malcom/Zaha

Alli
Lamela

Eriksen
Lucas

Kane
New ST

COYS
 

Sevens

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Dier scores that goal and we go on to win, poch did great.
Dier hits post and utd go on to win, poch treats the competition with disdain.

Poch shouldn't need to motivate the players to win that game. Many of them have never won a trophy. Is the fa cup as important to us as getting cl football next season? No. But it doesn't mean that we didn't want to win it.

The problem is mentality of the players and the fans. Utd are arrogant and believe they have a right to win trophies. We do not have that mentality yet. We need a bit of luck and winning something will happen, when it does more will follow. But poch is not the problem.

And the accountability lies with the Manager. If a players mentality isn't strong enough? Then you replace the player. Poch's been there long enough now to comfortably state this is HIS team.

And unfortunately the Manager's comments will effect players. It is nice to believe these young men who have barely experienced normal life, who live in a bubble and many who are far from home will be completely self motivated and professional. The reality is that isn't the case as is demonstrated all the time in many scenarios.

Imagine you're a gifted footballer in your early 20's. All your life you've watched the Premier League and Champion's League. You remember Man Utd not even bothering to enter the FA Cup one year. You witness week in, week out many managers disregard the competition. Even mid to low table Premier League teams fielding weakened teams because they have little interest in winning the FA Cup. Now you're a professional Premier League player. The FA Cup is a distraction. Now imagine it is World Cup year, you've almost guaranteed Champion's League football next year and you are guaranteed to go the World Cup. Imagine you aren't even English and to you the FA Cup means as much as the Copa Del Rey does to an Englishman. Now imagine your Manager publically states in the press that winning the FA Cup doesn't mean anything and won't change anything. So now you have a choice. Give it your all in a semi final of a meaningless cup completion and risk possible injury that means you may miss the World Cup or don't bust a gut and risk injury.
 

archiewasking

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This does sound a lot like you think Poch regularly browses SC and is also the world’s most sensitive man who would decide to walk out of a job because a few people on the internet questioned some of his substitutions.

I’m pretty sure no-one has to keep their trap shut - this is a football forum, the exact place for people to express their opinions about football, it’s not Cold War East Germany.

Don't let A&C see you posting this mad stuff mate :cautious::stop:
 
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