The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[thfc1973]

For at least the last 7-8 years we've always been saying "top 4 and a cup" is a great season.. Surprisingly, we still haven't achieved that yet. Hopefully next season we do.

I do like Poch as he does genuinely like the club, what we stand for and what we're trying to achieve but I can't help but feel he's just not the man to win us the trophies we have been desperate for. If he stays it won't irritate me in the slightest as I am more confident that what he's done is show to the club, the fans, the players and outsiders that there is quality in the team. That imo is more important than him staying or going as it provides a basis for us to be judged on and provides us with self belief and mental strength. If he stays the expectation is we need to improve. If he were to go then Levy and another incoming manager needs to appreciate they're not taking on a team that needs a revolution and evolution to compete. We're close. We just need refinement and fine tuning. Whether that's an elite manager able to see what could be achieved with a bit of improvement to the squad or better tactics to win important season defining games such as the Juventus or Utd game, who knows. My personal opinion is such an elite manager would get us a trophy next season with the skill set or managerial experience Poch lacks.

But if he stays then I hope his biggest self improvement point will be to see those particular games and analyze himself and accept he needs improvement on his decision making if we are to win trophies. Too many times this season he's been lacking. And if he can recharge his batteries and reflect on certain games where the result was lost on his tactics or lack of, then him coming back with refreshed ideas could be like a new manager.

But if we have a poor start again next season and trophies aren't important again then I wouldn't care one bit if he's replaced with a better manager.
Next season no matter who is in charge we need to start strong and try to keep a winning steak for as long add possible to stand any chance of the title. That's what City did and that's what we need to emulate and be prepared for if we are to win.

I think everyone agrees Poch isn't the best manager. He's brought us to another level, yes , but it should not be something we should be satisfied with. We haven't won diddly squat yet. And nothing will change and the majority of fans can't be expected to love him regardless if we don't improve and win something soon.

There's only so much you can like a manager who's not won you anything before the love turns sour....

 

[allatsea]

For at least the last 7-8 years we've always been saying "top 4 and a cup" is a great season.. Surprisingly, we still haven't achieved that yet. Hopefully next season we do.

I do like Poch as he does genuinely like the club, what we stand for and what we're trying to achieve but I can't help but feel he's just not the man to win us the trophies we have been desperate for. If he stays it won't irritate me in the slightest as I am more confident that what he's done is show to the club, the fans, the players and outsiders that there is quality in the team. That imo is more important than him staying or going as it provides a basis for us to be judged on and provides us with self belief and mental strength. If he stays the expectation is we need to improve. If he were to go then Levy and another incoming manager needs to appreciate they're not taking on a team that needs a revolution and evolution to compete. We're close. We just need refinement and fine tuning. Whether that's an elite manager able to see what could be achieved with a bit of improvement to the squad or better tactics to win important season defining games such as the Juventus or Utd game, who knows. My personal opinion is such an elite manager would get us a trophy next season with the skill set or managerial experience Poch lacks.

But if he stays then I hope his biggest self improvement point will be to see those particular games and analyze himself and accept he needs improvement on his decision making if we are to win trophies. Too many times this season he's been lacking. And if he can recharge his batteries and reflect on certain games where the result was lost on his tactics or lack of, then him coming back with refreshed ideas could be like a new manager.

But if we have a poor start again next season and trophies aren't important again then I wouldn't care one bit if he's replaced with a better manager.
Next season no matter who is in charge we need to start strong and try to keep a winning steak for as long add possible to stand any chance of the title. That's what City did and that's what we need to emulate and be prepared for if we are to win.

I think everyone agrees Poch isn't the best manager. He's brought us to another level, yes , but it should not be something we should be satisfied with. We haven't won diddly squat yet. And nothing will change and the majority of fans can't be expected to love him regardless if we don't improve and win something soon.

There's only so much you can like a manager who's not won you anything before the love turns sour....

Who is a ‘better’ manager and would join us ?

 

[HW61]

Agreed. I'm presuming it's largely troll led, but the amount of **** written about Poch, Harry and others has been ridiculous in recent weeks. Anyway, onwards and upwards and into our new home with CL.

Absolutely right. The brain dead football media and so called experts love to take every opportunity to dis our team and try and disrupt, even destroy, our success. They want the status quo - utter retards.

Poch and Spurs should be celebrated. We have no home games in 17/18, make champions league for the 3rd successive year, and pundits say, so what. They’ve one nothing. Think about what Poch has achieved building and holding together a young team who can easily have their heads turned. I love the way he dumps anyone who lacks focus on Spurs out of the team. Every player knows that if their head turns their season is pretty much over. Great management.

Poch is young. Makes mistakes. But he does learn. Big time.

And we are back home next year. Feels so good.

 

[Marty]

Poch is young. Makes mistakes. But he does learn. Big time.

And we are back home next year. Feels so good.

I heard someone peddling the argument recently that Poch is now older than Brian Clough was when he won the title and EC with Forest, so he should be winning stuff by now. Conventiently ignoring that Clough had an almost ten year head start on Poch because he had to retire from playing early.

 

[jurgen]

For at least the last 7-8 years we've always been saying "top 4 and a cup" is a great season.. Surprisingly, we still haven't achieved that yet. Hopefully next season we do.

I do like Poch as he does genuinely like the club, what we stand for and what we're trying to achieve but I can't help but feel he's just not the man to win us the trophies we have been desperate for. If he stays it won't irritate me in the slightest as I am more confident that what he's done is show to the club, the fans, the players and outsiders that there is quality in the team. That imo is more important than him staying or going as it provides a basis for us to be judged on and provides us with self belief and mental strength. If he stays the expectation is we need to improve. If he were to go then Levy and another incoming manager needs to appreciate they're not taking on a team that needs a revolution and evolution to compete. We're close. We just need refinement and fine tuning. Whether that's an elite manager able to see what could be achieved with a bit of improvement to the squad or better tactics to win important season defining games such as the Juventus or Utd game, who knows. My personal opinion is such an elite manager would get us a trophy next season with the skill set or managerial experience Poch lacks.

But if he stays then I hope his biggest self improvement point will be to see those particular games and analyze himself and accept he needs improvement on his decision making if we are to win trophies. Too many times this season he's been lacking. And if he can recharge his batteries and reflect on certain games where the result was lost on his tactics or lack of, then him coming back with refreshed ideas could be like a new manager.

But if we have a poor start again next season and trophies aren't important again then I wouldn't care one bit if he's replaced with a better manager.
Next season no matter who is in charge we need to start strong and try to keep a winning steak for as long add possible to stand any chance of the title. That's what City did and that's what we need to emulate and be prepared for if we are to win.

I think everyone agrees Poch isn't the best manager. He's brought us to another level, yes , but it should not be something we should be satisfied with. We haven't won diddly squat yet. And nothing will change and the majority of fans can't be expected to love him regardless if we don't improve and win something soon.

There's only so much you can like a manager who's not won you anything before the love turns sour....

Disagree personally and City comparisons miss the fact we cannot emulate their finances whatsoever. And hence, we are unable to walk out and buy players who Poch wants early on (if at all) and give them a pre season with him, as we leave it late time and again. Hopefully this year as the buying window ends before the start of the season the issue will be forced a bit more and that should be positive for us.

 

[stonecolddeanaustin]

For at least the last 7-8 years we've always been saying "top 4 and a cup" is a great season.. Surprisingly, we still haven't achieved that yet. Hopefully next season we do.

I do like Poch as he does genuinely like the club, what we stand for and what we're trying to achieve but I can't help but feel he's just not the man to win us the trophies we have been desperate for. If he stays it won't irritate me in the slightest as I am more confident that what he's done is show to the club, the fans, the players and outsiders that there is quality in the team. That imo is more important than him staying or going as it provides a basis for us to be judged on and provides us with self belief and mental strength. If he stays the expectation is we need to improve. If he were to go then Levy and another incoming manager needs to appreciate they're not taking on a team that needs a revolution and evolution to compete. We're close. We just need refinement and fine tuning. Whether that's an elite manager able to see what could be achieved with a bit of improvement to the squad or better tactics to win important season defining games such as the Juventus or Utd game, who knows. My personal opinion is such an elite manager would get us a trophy next season with the skill set or managerial experience Poch lacks.

But if he stays then I hope his biggest self improvement point will be to see those particular games and analyze himself and accept he needs improvement on his decision making if we are to win trophies. Too many times this season he's been lacking. And if he can recharge his batteries and reflect on certain games where the result was lost on his tactics or lack of, then him coming back with refreshed ideas could be like a new manager.

But if we have a poor start again next season and trophies aren't important again then I wouldn't care one bit if he's replaced with a better manager.
Next season no matter who is in charge we need to start strong and try to keep a winning steak for as long add possible to stand any chance of the title. That's what City did and that's what we need to emulate and be prepared for if we are to win.

I think everyone agrees Poch isn't the best manager. He's brought us to another level, yes , but it should not be something we should be satisfied with. We haven't won diddly squat yet. And nothing will change and the majority of fans can't be expected to love him regardless if we don't improve and win something soon.

There's only so much you can like a manager who's not won you anything before the love turns sour....

That bit in bold just doesn't happen though, unless you're like Chelsea getting someone like Scolari/Di Matteo in for a few months. Every elite manager wants to bring his own staff in, play his own style and sign his own players. Besides you lose Poch and you lose his coaching methods that's helped bring players on another level, you lose the team spirit he's created and you probably end up losing the players that love playing for him. If we were to get rid of Poch now it'd be like taking a 5 year backward step. I can't believe people are even contemplating this (and it's not just internet trolls as suggested previously as I hear it at the ground as well). Fortunately I think Levy realises that change for the sake of change is not a good thing.

 

[Gb160]

For at least the last 7-8 years we've always been saying "top 4 and a cup" is a great season.. Surprisingly, we still haven't achieved that yet. Hopefully next season we do.

I do like Poch as he does genuinely like the club, what we stand for and what we're trying to achieve but I can't help but feel he's just not the man to win us the trophies we have been desperate for. If he stays it won't irritate me in the slightest as I am more confident that what he's done is show to the club, the fans, the players and outsiders that there is quality in the team. That imo is more important than him staying or going as it provides a basis for us to be judged on and provides us with self belief and mental strength. If he stays the expectation is we need to improve. If he were to go then Levy and another incoming manager needs to appreciate they're not taking on a team that needs a revolution and evolution to compete. We're close. We just need refinement and fine tuning. Whether that's an elite manager able to see what could be achieved with a bit of improvement to the squad or better tactics to win important season defining games such as the Juventus or Utd game, who knows. My personal opinion is such an elite manager would get us a trophy next season with the skill set or managerial experience Poch lacks.

But if he stays then I hope his biggest self improvement point will be to see those particular games and analyze himself and accept he needs improvement on his decision making if we are to win trophies. Too many times this season he's been lacking. And if he can recharge his batteries and reflect on certain games where the result was lost on his tactics or lack of, then him coming back with refreshed ideas could be like a new manager.

But if we have a poor start again next season and trophies aren't important again then I wouldn't care one bit if he's replaced with a better manager.
Next season no matter who is in charge we need to start strong and try to keep a winning steak for as long add possible to stand any chance of the title. That's what City did and that's what we need to emulate and be prepared for if we are to win.

I think everyone agrees Poch isn't the best manager. He's brought us to another level, yes , but it should not be something we should be satisfied with. We haven't won diddly squat yet. And nothing will change and the majority of fans can't be expected to love him regardless if we don't improve and win something soon.

There's only so much you can like a manager who's not won you anything before the love turns sour....

Better get used to it, if you think Levy is going to sack a manager who has got us CL for 3 out his 4 years in charge, just because he hasn't won a trophy, then you're just deluded.

He is the reason that some of our better players have stayed with us, you're incredibly short sighted if you think that if Poch went and a new manager came in, then everyone would just carry on without giving it a second thought.

You're just part of a very small, but weirdly, very vocal minority i think.

 

[thebenjamin]

For at least the last 7-8 years we've always been saying "top 4 and a cup" is a great season.. Surprisingly, we still haven't achieved that yet. Hopefully next season we do.

I do like Poch as he does genuinely like the club, what we stand for and what we're trying to achieve but I can't help but feel he's just not the man to win us the trophies we have been desperate for. If he stays it won't irritate me in the slightest as I am more confident that what he's done is show to the club, the fans, the players and outsiders that there is quality in the team. That imo is more important than him staying or going as it provides a basis for us to be judged on and provides us with self belief and mental strength. If he stays the expectation is we need to improve. If he were to go then Levy and another incoming manager needs to appreciate they're not taking on a team that needs a revolution and evolution to compete. We're close. We just need refinement and fine tuning. Whether that's an elite manager able to see what could be achieved with a bit of improvement to the squad or better tactics to win important season defining games such as the Juventus or Utd game, who knows. My personal opinion is such an elite manager would get us a trophy next season with the skill set or managerial experience Poch lacks.

But if he stays then I hope his biggest self improvement point will be to see those particular games and analyze himself and accept he needs improvement on his decision making if we are to win trophies. Too many times this season he's been lacking. And if he can recharge his batteries and reflect on certain games where the result was lost on his tactics or lack of, then him coming back with refreshed ideas could be like a new manager.

But if we have a poor start again next season and trophies aren't important again then I wouldn't care one bit if he's replaced with a better manager.
Next season no matter who is in charge we need to start strong and try to keep a winning steak for as long add possible to stand any chance of the title. That's what City did and that's what we need to emulate and be prepared for if we are to win.

I think everyone agrees Poch isn't the best manager. He's brought us to another level, yes , but it should not be something we should be satisfied with. We haven't won diddly squat yet. And nothing will change and the majority of fans can't be expected to love him regardless if we don't improve and win something soon.

There's only so much you can like a manager who's not won you anything before the love turns sour....

Which managers are getting CL qualification and winning a trophy with less than half the budget of 5 other teams in their league?

 

[Coyboy]

Mauricio... if you’re reading - thank you.

Mr Levy... if you’re reading - cheque book.

Aren’t most payments carried out by online bank transfers now? So more like take out your little calculator thingy and remember your maternal great grandfather’s place of birth?

 

[rabbikeane]

It just goes to show how long managers last these days!

Longest serving Spurs manager in Premier League era

Mauricio Pochettino 1480 days
Harry Redknapp 1326 days
Gerry Francis 1100 days
Martin Jol 1084 days
Glenn Hoddle 902 days
George Graham 893 days
Andre Villas-Boas 528 days
Ossie Ardiles 500 days
Doug Livermore 388 days
Juande Ramos 364 days
Christian Gross 284 days
David Pleat 256 days (+24, +17)
Jacques Santini 155 days
Tim Sherwood 148 days
Chris Hughton 34 days
Steve Perryman 14 days
Clive Allen 4 days (+1)
Alex Inglethorpe 4 days

 

[allatsea]

I heard someone peddling the argument recently that Poch is now older than Brian Clough was when he won the title and EC with Forest, so he should be winning stuff by now. Conventiently ignoring that Clough had an almost ten year head start on Poch because he had to retire from playing early.

Plus you could hardly say the Division One as it was in those days was particularly competitive. Thus allowing Clough to focus more.

 

[spursfan77]

I heard someone peddling the argument recently that Poch is now older than Brian Clough was when he won the title and EC with Forest, so he should be winning stuff by now. Conventiently ignoring that Clough had an almost ten year head start on Poch because he had to retire from playing early.

Poch has only been a manager for 9 or 10 seasons. It’s not a long time. He’ll only become better you’d expect. But only from learning from mistakes.

 

[Chris Flynn]

Who is a ‘better’ manager and would join us ?

I disagree with that entire post but Ancelotti probably would though if hes a better manager is debatable. Great track record though. To clarify, i dont want that to happen

 

[Haddock]

For at least the last 7-8 years we've always been saying "top 4 and a cup" is a great season.. Surprisingly, we still haven't achieved that yet. Hopefully next season we do.

I do like Poch as he does genuinely like the club, what we stand for and what we're trying to achieve but I can't help but feel he's just not the man to win us the trophies we have been desperate for. If he stays it won't irritate me in the slightest as I am more confident that what he's done is show to the club, the fans, the players and outsiders that there is quality in the team. That imo is more important than him staying or going as it provides a basis for us to be judged on and provides us with self belief and mental strength. If he stays the expectation is we need to improve. If he were to go then Levy and another incoming manager needs to appreciate they're not taking on a team that needs a revolution and evolution to compete. We're close. We just need refinement and fine tuning. Whether that's an elite manager able to see what could be achieved with a bit of improvement to the squad or better tactics to win important season defining games such as the Juventus or Utd game, who knows. My personal opinion is such an elite manager would get us a trophy next season with the skill set or managerial experience Poch lacks.

But if he stays then I hope his biggest self improvement point will be to see those particular games and analyze himself and accept he needs improvement on his decision making if we are to win trophies. Too many times this season he's been lacking. And if he can recharge his batteries and reflect on certain games where the result was lost on his tactics or lack of, then him coming back with refreshed ideas could be like a new manager.

But if we have a poor start again next season and trophies aren't important again then I wouldn't care one bit if he's replaced with a better manager.
Next season no matter who is in charge we need to start strong and try to keep a winning steak for as long add possible to stand any chance of the title. That's what City did and that's what we need to emulate and be prepared for if we are to win.

I think everyone agrees Poch isn't the best manager. He's brought us to another level, yes , but it should not be something we should be satisfied with. We haven't won diddly squat yet. And nothing will change and the majority of fans can't be expected to love him regardless if we don't improve and win something soon.

There's only so much you can like a manager who's not won you anything before the love turns sour....

City finished 3rd last season and then spent £285.75m on new players. Guardiola is generally hailed as a tactical genius but even with the already super expensive squad he had at his disposal this tactical genius had to spend a fortune to mount a title challenge. So what does that tell us? That tactics and coaching doesn't matter? Of course not. This current City team is playing some phenomenal football and naturally Guardiola has something to do with that. However, we fans, pundits and the whole football community generally put waaaay to much emphasize on tactics, coaching and so forth.

A manager can tweak a squad and get the best out of the players as his disposal - That's his main job.
But make no mistake. It all starts and ends with the players at his disposal.

That's the only way to evaluate a manager and Pochettino is doing a brilliant job at maximising the players at our disposal.

 

[Gassin's finest]

I knew there was a reason I had this guy on ignore...

 

[Haddock]

I disagree with that entire post but Ancelotti probably would though if hes a better manager is debatable. Great track record though. To clarify, i dont want that to happen

Chelsea, Real Madrid, PSG, Bayer Münich. Those are Ancelottis last clubs and they are all clubs with huge financial muscles. I'm not saying he's not a good manager but I doubt he'd be the right manager for us at the moment.

 

[buckley]

How the same big names keep occurring Mourino;Ancelotti;guardiola;and so on.
They all have one thing in common they have managed the richest clubs able to pay the highest wages and fork out enormous transfer fees I have seen no record of any of these super managers having made a lesser club a success because it does not happen.How any so called spurs fan could want to change Poch for any of these men is to me amazing.They are just a group of men that have managed at the very top clubs and its like a merry go round one year your at Madrid the next at Milan then at Bayern followed by Barcelona or psg.I would love to see what some of these so called top managers do at say Burnley or Bournmouth or Brighton or Huddersfield I think it is fair to say with little or no cash to spend and limited squads the would be lost.Where as if you put Dyche;Wagner;Houghton;Howe in charge of one of these super squads with limitless money to spend on wages and transfers they would make a good fist of it.
SO I BEG the nay sayers lay of Poch and let him carry on his great work

 

[Gb160]

I disagree with that entire post but Ancelotti probably would though if hes a better manager is debatable. Great track record though. To clarify, i dont want that to happen

No way Ancelotti would agree to join us with the limitations he'd be under.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

No way Ancelotti would agree to join us with the limitations he'd be under.

His right eyebrow might. It's got a life of its own, maybe it's got a mind of its own too.

 

[Gb160]

His right eyebrow might. It's got a life of its own, maybe it's got a mind of its own too.