The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Everlasting Seconds]

Man I think you're being harsh here. The guy has scored 47 goals here in 3 years. I think he's been incredible. We paid 22mil for him and he's without a doubt our best wide option on the attack.

OK; I'll go back and bold him out.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Ahem... Djemba-Djemba...

Isn’t that a board game?

 

[tiger666]

Exactly. Here are all 22 senior signings under Pochettino. I've put in bold who I think are definite successes, and in italic the players who might come good in the future. I leave it up to each to draw further conclusions about Pochettino's transfer savvyness.

Vorm, Gazzaniga, Davies,
Yedlin, Fazio, Wimmer,
Sánchez, Foyth, Aurier,
Trippier, Alderweireld, Dier,
Stambouli, Dele, N'Jie,
Son, Moura, Wanyama,
N'Koudou, Sissoko, Llorente, Janssen.

I've deliberately left out speculations about who are and are not "pochettino-signings", because ultimately they have happened on his watch and I see no reason to attribute successes to him and failings to other Spurs executives on a guessing basis.

How did some of our rivals do in the same time frame?

United:

Ángel Di María
Luke Shaw
Ander Herrera
Marcos Rojo
Daley Blind
Vanja Milinković-Savić
Anthony Martial
Morgan Schneiderlin
Memphis Depay
Matteo Darmian
Bastian Schweinsteiger
Sergio Romero
Paul Pogba
Henrikh Mkhitaryan
Eric Bailly
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Romelu Lukaku
Nemanja Matic
Victor Lindelöf
Alexis Sánchez

Chelsea:

Diego Costa
Cesc Fàbregas
Juan Cuadrado
Filipe Luís
Loïc Rémy
Mario Pasalic
Didier Drogba
Pedro
Abdul Rahman Baba
Asmir Begovic
Kenedy
Falcao
Michael Hector
Matt Miazga
Nathan
Papy Djilobodji
Danilo Pantic
Michy Batshuayi
N'Golo Kanté
David Luiz
Marcos Alonso
Álvaro Morata
Tiemoué Bakayoko
Danny Drinkwater
Antonio Rüdiger
Davide Zappacosta
Emerson
Olivier Giroud
Ross Barkley
Willy Caballero

Arsenal:

Alexis Sánchez
Calum Chambers
Danny Welbeck
Gabriel Paulista
Mathieu Debuchy
David Ospina
Krystian Bielik
Petr Cech
Mohamed Elneny
Granit Xhaka
Shkodran Mustafi
Lucas Pérez
Takuma Asano
Rob Holding
Cohen Bramall
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang
Alexandre Lacazette
Konstantinos Mavropanos
Henrikh Mkhitaryan

Liverpool:

Adam Lallana
Dejan Lovren
Lazar Markovic
Mario Balotelli
Alberto Moreno
Divock Origi
Emre Can
Rickie Lambert
Christian Benteke
Roberto Firmino
Nathaniel Clyne
Danny Ings
Marko Grujic
Joe Gomez
Sadio Mané
Georginio Wijnaldum
Loris Karius
Ragnar Klavan
Virgil van Dijk
Mohamed Salah
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
Andrew Robertson
Tony Gallacher

 

[dtxspurs]

No we shouldn’t but Poch deserves to be backed. so if we don’t back his judgement whose do we back ?

I'm saying we don't have to just blindly accept transfers as automatic successes because the manager wants him. I think its perfectly acceptable to root on the players when their on the pitch but still question the judgement and decision making process behind the deals.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

That's part of my point this summer: We have to stop buying speculative purchases just because they are cheap.

I think that is Poch's point also.

 

[dtxspurs]

I think that is Poch's point also.

Which is why I want three players this summer and thats it. Toby replacement of high quality, Martial for the striker/winger role, and a top quality CM. Thats all we need, and I don't even think Martial is a need so much as it is just too good of an opportunity to pass up. Hell I would spend our entire summer budget on an elite CM if Toby stayed and we couldn't get Martial.

 

[markiespurs]

I don't think Vorm has been good. He was cheap. He doesn't stand out to me as somebody I will say "Well done Pochettino, you proved your self when signing Vorm".

Considering the fact that he has never had a proper run of games and can go months without starting, i’d say Vorm has been a pretty good signing by Poch.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Considering the fact that he has never had a proper run of games and can go months without starting, i’d say Vorm has been a pretty good signing by Poch.

I have nothing against the fellow, I'm sure he is a superb professional.

 

[absolute bobbins]

How did some of our rivals do in the same time frame?

United:

Ángel Di María
Luke Shaw
Ander Herrera
Marcos Rojo
Daley Blind
Vanja Milinković-Savić
Anthony Martial
Morgan Schneiderlin
Memphis Depay
Matteo Darmian
Bastian Schweinsteiger
Sergio Romero
Paul Pogba
Henrikh Mkhitaryan
Eric Bailly
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Romelu Lukaku
Nemanja Matic
Victor Lindelöf
Alexis Sánchez

Chelsea:

Diego Costa
Cesc Fàbregas
Juan Cuadrado
Filipe Luís
Loïc Rémy
Mario Pasalic
Didier Drogba
Pedro
Abdul Rahman Baba
Asmir Begovic
Kenedy
Falcao
Michael Hector
Matt Miazga
Nathan
Papy Djilobodji
Danilo Pantic
Michy Batshuayi
N'Golo Kanté
David Luiz
Marcos Alonso
Álvaro Morata
Tiemoué Bakayoko
Danny Drinkwater
Antonio Rüdiger
Davide Zappacosta
Emerson
Olivier Giroud
Ross Barkley
Willy Caballero

Arsenal:

Alexis Sánchez
Calum Chambers
Danny Welbeck
Gabriel Paulista
Mathieu Debuchy
David Ospina
Krystian Bielik
Petr Cech
Mohamed Elneny
Granit Xhaka
Shkodran Mustafi
Lucas Pérez
Takuma Asano
Rob Holding
Cohen Bramall
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang
Alexandre Lacazette
Konstantinos Mavropanos
Henrikh Mkhitaryan

Liverpool:

Adam Lallana
Dejan Lovren
Lazar Markovic
Mario Balotelli
Alberto Moreno
Divock Origi
Emre Can
Rickie Lambert
Christian Benteke
Roberto Firmino
Nathaniel Clyne
Danny Ings
Marko Grujic
Joe Gomez
Sadio Mané
Georginio Wijnaldum
Loris Karius
Ragnar Klavan
Virgil van Dijk
Mohamed Salah
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
Andrew Robertson
Tony Gallacher

There’s a lot of shit on that list

 

[tiger666]

There’s a lot of shit on that list

Indeed. There's a narrative that our rivals don't make bad signings. It's a nonsense. If you can play monopoly like City and throw millions about sure, it's a lot easier.

 

[dtxspurs]

Indeed. There's a narrative that our rivals don't make bad signings. It's a nonsense. If you can play monopoly like City and throw millions about sure, it's a lot easier.

Just wanted to be clear, if directed toward me.. I'm certainly not saying that other teams don't make bad signings. I just think we shouldn't blindly accept signings cause Poch approves them. I can still reserve the right to disagree and think it was a waste of money. Everyone other team messes them up too.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Exactly. Here are all 22 senior signings under Pochettino. I've put in bold who I think are definite successes, and in italic the players who might come good in the future. I leave it up to each to draw further conclusions about Pochettino's transfer savvyness.

Vorm, Gazzaniga, Davies,
Yedlin, Fazio, Wimmer,
Sánchez, Foyth, Aurier,
Trippier, Alderweireld, Dier,
Stambouli, Dele, N'Jie,
Son, Moura, Wanyama,
N'Koudou, Sissoko, Llorente, Janssen.

I've deliberately left out speculations about who are and are not "pochettino-signings", because ultimately they have happened on his watch and I see no reason to attribute successes to him and failings to other Spurs executives on a guessing basis.

Considering Vorm and Trippier were signed as back-ups, for only £7m combined, and are better than some of our rivals have for the same role, how are they not successes?

 

[Lighty64]

I tend to agree... I think we've had one knockout transfer window and that was when we brought in Toby, Son, Trippier and Dele came in from loan at MK Dons. Even that summer we bought Wimmer (good profit, bad player) and N'jie.

The next summer was Nkoudou, Sissoko, Janssen, Wanyama. One out of four!

Last summer Sanchez, Gazza, Foyth, Aurier, Llorente, and Lucas in the winter. Jury still out on a few but we know at least one is a goner already in Llorente.

disagree on the bolded, when he was first thrust into the team when Toby suffered his injury, he and Jan when playing as part of the back 4 did a great job. he then replaced Jan when he was out, and yet again helped us finish in the top 3. then after that he wasn't given any game time, until we played Liverpool in the league cup, partnered with a novice CCV. his confidence must of been extremely dented, and struggled also in playing as a back 3. think going to a team like Stoke wasn't his best choice.

 

[Lighty64]

Exactly. Here are all 22 senior signings under Pochettino. I've put in bold who I think are definite successes, and in italic the players who might come good in the future. I leave it up to each to draw further conclusions about Pochettino's transfer savvyness.

Vorm, Gazzaniga, Davies,
Yedlin, Fazio, Wimmer,
Sánchez, Foyth, Aurier,
Trippier, Alderweireld, Dier,
Stambouli, Dele, N'Jie,
Son, Moura, Wanyama,
N'Koudou, Sissoko, Llorente, Janssen.

I've deliberately left out speculations about who are and are not "pochettino-signings", because ultimately they have happened on his watch and I see no reason to attribute successes to him and failings to other Spurs executives on a guessing basis.

Vorm has done well for us, stood in and did well when Hugo was injured start of last season, and got helped get us to 2 consecutive semi's
Gazziniga has only had the chance to play 1 game, and was most probably MotM
Wimmer (see my last post)
Trippier on games per minutes played most probably has the best RB assist rate
Moura had only played 79 minutes before we signed him, joined in the worst winter for years, and never had the fixtures to get fully match fit, and didn't have any really bad performances when he did play.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

How did some of our rivals do in the same time frame?

I don't care about any rivals, I'm not following them, they are of no consequence to me unless they are the next opponent, but more importantly, Pochettino, who you think is correct in all other aspects, thinks that we must be smarter than the rest. So clearly we are not trying to be like them, but to outdo them.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

disagree on the bolded, when he was first thrust into the team when Toby suffered his injury, he and Jan when playing as part of the back 4 did a great job. he then replaced Jan when he was out, and yet again helped us finish in the top 3. then after that he wasn't given any game time, until we played Liverpool in the league cup, partnered with a novice CCV. his confidence must of been extremely dented, and struggled also in playing as a back 3. think going to a team like Stoke wasn't his best choice.

Vorm has done well for us, stood in and did well when Hugo was injured start of last season, and got helped get us to 2 consecutive semi's
Gazziniga has only had the chance to play 1 game, and was most probably MotM
Wimmer (see my last post)
Trippier on games per minutes played most probably has the best RB assist rate
Moura had only played 79 minutes before we signed him, joined in the worst winter for years, and never had the fixtures to get fully match fit, and didn't have any really bad performances when he did play.

Wimmer did acceptable when he filled in for Vertonghen. Loads of fans like to think it was great. It wasn't. It was correct to sell him, and I'm glad we did. But I'm not glad we signed him.
I do believe that Moura will prove a great signing, but that's a story for the future.

 

[Lighty64]

Wimmer did acceptable when he filled in for Vertonghen. Loads of fans like to think it was great. It wasn't. It was correct to sell him, and I'm glad we did. But I'm not glad we signed him.
I do believe that Moura will prove a great signing, but that's a story for the future.

the thing is with buying Wimmer we bought a defender as a back up for injuries, you can't buy a class CB that's willing to sit on the bench, not for the wages we where paying (most probably won't be great for squad players even now).

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

the thing is with buying Wimmer we bought a defender as a back up for injuries, you can't buy a class CB that's willing to sit on the bench, not for the wages we where paying (most probably won't be great for squad players even now).

Right, but you can do better than signing Wimmer, even for a backup position. I agree, not all players at a club must be a serious contender for the starting 11 week in week out. There is a huge need for solid back up players. Fans don't tend to like them, but they are needed. But most incomings should be better than the Wimmer-category.

 

[dtxspurs]

Right, but you can do better than signing Wimmer, even for a backup position. I agree, not all players at a club must be a serious contender for the starting 11 week in week out. There is a huge need for solid back up players. Fans don't tend to like them, but they are needed. But most incomings should be better than the Wimmer-category.

Reminder that Foyth even cost twice as much as Wimmer...

 

[Spartan Spurs]

Are we certain that these were names on a list Poch submitted to Levy to get as first choice?
OR, were they what Levy got him after 1st, 2nd, 3rd, & maybe 4th choices were unavailable & Poch just said "Yeah, whatever".