What's new

The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Status
Not open for further replies.

McArchibald

Well-Known Member
Jun 6, 2010
1,280
5,579
Can't say he wouldn't have known about Levy and all the baggage that comes with him.

I believe Levy willing and able to tell Poch whatever he wants to hear at a given moment, and then, without batting an eyelid, to go back on his word. He's done it before.
Levy after all is only interested in property development and asset growth. Sporting success comes in a distant second in his planning and calculations.
 
D

Deleted member 27995

I believe Levy willing and able to tell Poch whatever he wants to hear at a given moment, and then, without batting an eyelid, to go back on his word. He's done it before.
Levy after all is only interested in property development and asset growth. Sporting success comes in a distant second in his planning and calculations.
So Poch is stupid then?

Give over.
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
Jun 20, 2012
23,646
93,313
I think leaving Toby and Tripps behind emphasises how important Saturdays game is.

Tonight is must not lose.
Saturday is must win.
 

dagraham

Well-Known Member
Sep 20, 2005
19,115
46,080
Poch has been quite open that the fitness issues presented by the WC means he’s going to have his most challenging season. It was clear that Trippier picked up an injury during th semifinal, and we all know about Toby’s hamstrings. I really don’t see an issue in Poch resting a couple of players for each midweek match in the group stages, so we don’t see huge injuries occurring after Xmas.

I could understand it if we had an easier group, or we didn’t have Barca coming next, but tonight’s game is too important to be worrying about future injuries imo. Besides, if Poch is so concerned by this, why isn’t Kane staying at home and getting some much needed rest?
 

marion52

Well-Known Member
Dec 10, 2006
1,580
2,200
If it is just rotation or resting players why not say so, what are ‘technical’ reasons for leaving players behind?
 

thebenjamin

Well-Known Member
Jul 1, 2008
12,164
38,545
Lol.

Manager works fucking miracles for years, finishing above clubs with the biggest wage bills and transfer budgets in world football, with the net spend of a championship club.

Before the summer he literally comes out and says the club need to be more proactive than ever before in the transfer market because otherwise we will stop moving forward, and particularly because of the world cup as much of our squad will have no pre season, and therefore the start of the season will be very difficult. He literally says we need to be ready with fresh players at the beginning of the season.

So the club (presumably) agree to his demands and he turns down a move to the world's biggest club to sign a new deal. But instead of fulfilling the manager's wishes, the club spend the summer doing the square root of absolutely fuck all while all our rivals somehow manage to strengthen despite the 'impossible' market, and we are left with a tired and jaded squad in desperate need of freshening up. ie just what he warned would happen if we didn't sign players.

So the managers's been led down the garden path by a chairman who promised him substantial backing and instead gave him a half built cheese room. The only club in all top leagues across Europe to not sign a player, at the precise moment we desperately needed to freshen up the squad, more than at any time in recent history.

Then when exactly what the manager predicted would happen, happens, to the letter, exactly as he predicted it would, it's somehow his fault?

Lol.
 
Last edited:

jurgen

Busy ****
Jul 5, 2008
6,710
17,167
Lol.

Manager works fucking miracles for years, finishing above clubs with the biggest wage bills and transfer budgets in world football, with the net spend of a championship club.

Before the summer he literally comes out and says the club need to be more proactive than ever before in the transfer market because otherwise we will stop moving forward, and particularly because of the world cup as much of our squad will have no pre season, and therefore the start of the season will be very difficult. He literally says we need to be ready with fresh players are the beginning of the season.

So the club (presumably) agree to his demands and he turns down a move to the world's biggest club to sign a new deal. But instead of fulfilling the manager's wishes, the club spend the summer doing the square root of absolutely fuck all while all our rivals somehow manage to strengthen despite the 'impossible' market, and we are left with a tired and jaded squad in desperate need of freshening up.

So the managers's been led down the garden path by a chairman who promised him substantial backing and instead gave him a half built cheese room.

Then when exactly what the manager predicted would happen, happens, to the letter, exactly as he predicted it would, it's somehow his fault?

Lol.

Winner.
 
D

Deleted member 27995

Lol.

Manager works fucking miracles for years, finishing above clubs with the biggest wage bills and transfer budgets in world football, with the net spend of a championship club.

Before the summer he literally comes out and says the club need to be more proactive than ever before in the transfer market because otherwise we will stop moving forward, and particularly because of the world cup as much of our squad will have no pre season, and therefore the start of the season will be very difficult. He literally says we need to be ready with fresh players are the beginning of the season.

So the club (presumably) agree to his demands and he turns down a move to the world's biggest club to sign a new deal. But instead of fulfilling the manager's wishes, the club spend the summer doing the square root of absolutely fuck all while all our rivals somehow manage to strengthen despite the 'impossible' market, and we are left with a tired and jaded squad in desperate need of freshening up.

So the managers's been led down the garden path by a chairman who promised him substantial backing and instead gave him a half built cheese room.

Then when exactly what the manager predicted would happen, happens, to the letter, exactly as he predicted it would, it's somehow his fault?

Lol.
All truth.

So ....

Guess we'll hear this all season every time we lose?

Sticky this post then and it'll save everyone the trouble of repeating themselves all season long I reckon.
 

Guntz

Loves a good meme/gif
Aug 15, 2011
7,271
54,780
Looks like it's Eddie Howe's blue and white army next season.

In all seriousness if Poch leaves we'll regress 5-6 years.
 

WalkerboyUK

Well-Known Member
Jun 8, 2009
21,658
23,476
I think most can accept a defeat, but both games the team didn't turn up. Poch seems to be trying to counter how other teams are setting up, rather than going with what we're good at.

It does seem that the first half game plan is to figure out the opposition, rather than take the game to them.
He then seems to change things around a little bit at half-time, but sometimes that's too late.

We haven't had a good first 45 mins in any game so far this season.
 
D

Deleted member 27995

Not really - he's been lied to.
The question is: If someone you know and trust lies to your face, is it stupid or even naive to initially believe those lies?
This is the internet, we all get lied to daily.

If Poch feels this strongly, hopefully he has learnt a valuable lesson ... Not that he didn't already know it.

Fucking hell, grown men making excuse's for grown men.

Levy's reputation precedes him, you of all people would know/believe this.

lol
 

Led's Zeppelin

Can't Re Member
May 28, 2013
7,333
20,178
Perhaps Levy didn’t lie. Perhaps he just fucked up badly in the transfer market.

Possible, no?

The end result would be the same, no new players and all the negative effects of that, but it might explain why Pochettino wouldn’t necessarily be angry in the same way as if he knew he had been lied to.

I have no idea whether Levy lied to him or just fucked up, and I don’t understand how so many of you can be that certain about what happened. But Pochettino probably knows, and that knowledge would explain a lot of things.
 

hellava_tough

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2005
9,429
12,382
So.. who will be our new manager next season? :whistle:

Or owners

Once the stadium is completed, which will probably be before March next year, Levy and Lewis will be putting the club on the market so they can make a return on their investment

A brand-new stadium in London, PL footy, Europa or CL footy, a top 6 club and NFL matches. Some good players as well. It's a fun toy, or decent investment, for the discerning billionaire :pompous:

Seriously though, give it 24 months and the club, management, playing staff, etc, will look completely different imo

Question is, will it be better or worse?
 

hellava_tough

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2005
9,429
12,382
Lol.

Manager works fucking miracles for years, finishing above clubs with the biggest wage bills and transfer budgets in world football, with the net spend of a championship club.

Before the summer he literally comes out and says the club need to be more proactive than ever before in the transfer market because otherwise we will stop moving forward, and particularly because of the world cup as much of our squad will have no pre season, and therefore the start of the season will be very difficult. He literally says we need to be ready with fresh players at the beginning of the season.

So the club (presumably) agree to his demands and he turns down a move to the world's biggest club to sign a new deal. But instead of fulfilling the manager's wishes, the club spend the summer doing the square root of absolutely fuck all while all our rivals somehow manage to strengthen despite the 'impossible' market, and we are left with a tired and jaded squad in desperate need of freshening up. ie just what he warned would happen if we didn't sign players.

So the managers's been led down the garden path by a chairman who promised him substantial backing and instead gave him a half built cheese room. The only club in all top leagues across Europe to not sign a player, at the precise moment we desperately needed to freshen up the squad, more then at any time in recent history.

Then when exactly what the manager predicted would happen, happens, to the letter, exactly as he predicted it would, it's somehow his fault?

Lol.

Agreed, although Levy's got previous for this

Wasn't there a season (10/11 possibly) when we were going for the title with a few others and needed one or two more players to push us over the line? Even VDV talks about it.

And then there was 2015/16 and/or 2016/17 when a few reinforcements would have brought home our first title in 50 years?

It's not like we would have done a 'Leeds' in any of those cases. Firstly, we had money to spend and secondly even if we had have gone beyond our budget, we could have just sold a player or two if we had have over-extended ourselves.

Anyway, we can lay foundations and build the club up all we want, but at some point you have to "be brave" and go all in at the right moment if you want to be a winner.

Unfortunately, the 'moment' may have passed for another decade or two :unsure:
 

Wheeler Dealer

Well-Known Member
Jul 29, 2011
6,863
12,282
Lol.

Manager works fucking miracles for years, finishing above clubs with the biggest wage bills and transfer budgets in world football, with the net spend of a championship club.

Before the summer he literally comes out and says the club need to be more proactive than ever before in the transfer market because otherwise we will stop moving forward, and particularly because of the world cup as much of our squad will have no pre season, and therefore the start of the season will be very difficult. He literally says we need to be ready with fresh players at the beginning of the season.

So the club (presumably) agree to his demands and he turns down a move to the world's biggest club to sign a new deal. But instead of fulfilling the manager's wishes, the club spend the summer doing the square root of absolutely fuck all while all our rivals somehow manage to strengthen despite the 'impossible' market, and we are left with a tired and jaded squad in desperate need of freshening up. ie just what he warned would happen if we didn't sign players.

So the managers's been led down the garden path by a chairman who promised him substantial backing and instead gave him a half built cheese room. The only club in all top leagues across Europe to not sign a player, at the precise moment we desperately needed to freshen up the squad, more then at any time in recent history.

Then when exactly what the manager predicted would happen, happens, to the letter, exactly as he predicted it would, it's somehow his fault?

Lol.

By getting Poch to sign a nice golden handcuff 5 year, £40m deal at the beginning of season was a masterstroke by Levy. It allows him the freedom to do whatever he wants.
 

Shadydan

Well-Known Member
Jul 7, 2012
38,247
104,143
Agreed, although Levy's got previous for this

Wasn't there a season (10/11 possibly) when we were going for the title with a few others and needed one or two more players to push us over the line? Even VDV talks about it.

And then there was 2015/16 and/or 2016/17 when a few reinforcements would have brought home our first title in 50 years?

It's not like we would have done a 'Leeds' in any of those cases. Firstly, we had money to spend and secondly even if we had have gone beyond our budget, we could have just sold a player or two if we had have over-extended ourselves.

Anyway, we can lay foundations and build the club up all we want, but at some point you have to "be brave" and go all in at the right moment if you want to be a winner.

Unfortunately, the 'moment' may have passed for another decade or two :unsure:

2015/16 season we weren't tile 'contenders' in January and there was no need to reinforce the squad at that time.

2016/17 It wouldn't have made a difference, that's not why we didn't win the title.

Besides spending money doesn't guarantee winning anything especially in those cases you mentioned.
 

Primativ

Well-Known Member
Aug 9, 2017
3,229
12,486
I'll be amazed if Poch is here next season. It really is impossible to know what went on behind the scenes at Spurs over the summer. What we do know is we didn't strengthen. We also didn't lose anyone. Now, was Poch turning down prospective incoming as he didn't think they were good enough? And were the players he did want, too expensive for us or difficult to do the deal? I'd say it's a bit of both. Spurs have reached a point of critical mass where to sign the players we need to make the squad stronger, will cost the club more than Levy is willing to pay. We've effectively reached the height of our ambition. The most damming of all though is I simply can't believe Poch thought it wise to go into the new season with Dembele yet again. It was clear to me last season Dembele was getting past it, so how could Poch not see this? I think he could. I think he wanted a replacement but Levy couldn't deliver. Whoever is to blame, it's a collective mess. Our CM is horribly weak. We have zero quality in CM. Our CM simply isn't strong enough to challenge this season.

I do feel Poch has been let down but more worrying is why have we not turned up in a single game this season? Even the United game we could have been 3 nil down at half-time. Newcastle away we were very lucky. I do think the points we have are very flattering, which is disturbing. Our performances have been shocking so far.

Many of us have been saying for a while now that the chance to win something with this team is limited. I really do fear the time is running out.
 

southlondonyiddo

My eyes have seen some of the glory..
Nov 8, 2004
12,599
15,012
By getting Poch to sign a nice golden handcuff 5 year, £40m deal at the beginning of season was a masterstroke by Levy. It allows him the freedom to do whatever he wants.

Poch strikes me as a guy who is incredibly principled. If he is messed about that much by Levy he will walk out on his contract

Whether that means losing millions and having to go on gardening leave etc etc

OR

If our current (minor) problems escalate (ie we slip further down the league, player injuries increase, more issues with NWHL and we spend the new year at Wembley and zero or 1 or 2 second rate signings in January) then Pochs press conferences could become more and more negative and toxic which could force Levy's hand into sacking him

Poch pretty much has the pick of clubs around the world to go and manage. This situation is very much more worrying for Levy, the supporters and Tottenham, than it is for Mauricio Pochettino

Oh what a jolly post!!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top