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hellava_tough

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2015/16 season we weren't tile 'contenders' in January and there was no need to reinforce the squad at that time.

2016/17 It wouldn't have made a difference, that's not why we didn't win the title.

Besides spending money doesn't guarantee winning anything especially in those cases you mentioned.

You're right about 2016/17

However...

2015/16 we certainly were title contenders; we were 4pts off 1st place on January 2016

And the 2011/12 season we were 6pts off the top with a game in hand, so I stand by that one

http://www.footstats.co.uk/index.cfm?task=league_full
 

Shadydan

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You're right about 2016/17

However...

2015/16 we certainly were title contenders; we were 4pts off 1st place on January 2016

And the 2011/12 season we were 6pts off the top with a game in hand, so I stand by that one

http://www.footstats.co.uk/index.cfm?task=league_full

Come on this is silly. No-one in their right mind thought that we were gonna content for the title, it's only when Arsenal and City dropped points around Feb/Mar and we stayed consistent, it's only then we were seen as the only legit challengers to Leicester. Man Utd or City didn't strengthen either and they had every reason too, Arsenal strengthened and they went backwards

You're right about 2011/12,I had the same feeling at the time but then again it comes down to who was available and for what price, buying players is one thing but getting players who will effect and boost the squad is another, no guarantees it would have worked either way.
 

Metalhead

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2015/16 season we weren't tile 'contenders' in January and there was no need to reinforce the squad at that time.

2016/17 It wouldn't have made a difference, that's not why we didn't win the title.

Besides spending money doesn't guarantee winning anything especially in those cases you mentioned.
Doesn't guarantee but it gives you a shot. Much as I love Spurs and admire Levy, he doesn't always get it right.
 

hellava_tough

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Come on this is silly. No-one in their right mind thought that we were gonna content for the title, it's only when Arsenal and City dropped points around Feb/Mar and we stayed consistent, it's only then we were seen as the only legit challengers to Leicester. Man Utd or City didn't strengthen either and they had every reason too, Arsenal strengthened and they went backwards

You're right about 2011/12,I had the same feeling at the time but then again it comes down to who was available and for what price, buying players is one thing but getting players who will effect and boost the squad is another, no guarantees it would have worked either way.

But perhaps that's the problem; we're believing what others think, instead of being ambitious and committing at the right moment.

I mean, when is a good time to go all in?

It's not going to be handed to us on a silver platter. We have to take a chance once in a while!!
 

Metalhead

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I agree but using those two examples is a reach.
We can't compete with the top teams so there is no point in trying to keep up with the spending there. Hopefully this last transfer window was a one off but because clubs won't be pushed to the brink on selling their best players anymore, I think that 'Levy time' for want of a better word has had its day. I wouldn't mind seeing a bit more of the Modric type early signing that we saw back in the day. Poch needs players bedded in early. We can all make excuses for the way that the club operates (not aiming at you, just saying in general) but for the squad to operate effectively, we need to be ready to go at the beginning of the season.
 

wrd

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Come on this is silly. No-one in their right mind thought that we were gonna content for the title, it's only when Arsenal and City dropped points around Feb/Mar and we stayed consistent, it's only then we were seen as the only legit challengers to Leicester. Man Utd or City didn't strengthen either and they had every reason too, Arsenal strengthened and they went backwards

You're right about 2011/12,I had the same feeling at the time but then again it comes down to who was available and for what price, buying players is one thing but getting players who will effect and boost the squad is another, no guarantees it would have worked either way.

So we shouldn't go for it because it's beyond our expectations? what's the point in any of this then.
 

wrd

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Yep definitely said that.

I guess I don't agree with that nobody in their right mind comment, I felt we were in the race, I know Lamela did before Valentines day because that was the day we beat city that year and his quote came out before that game. Also your comment about 2011/12 about who is available and for the right price, we turned down signing suarez and ended up signing Nelson and Saha.
 

George94

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Poch has had enough, hasn't he. He seems so frustrated at the moment and has started snapping back in press conferences.
 

dagraham

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Bottom line is if a club wants to really challenge and win things then you have to take a calculated risk along the way.

Frustrating thing is we’ve put ourselves regularly in a position to challenge several times over the last 7 or 8 years. It’s not like being a mid table team and needing to go crazy to get there. We’ve had the opportunities to push on with a bit of investment and failed to do so.

The best time to invest is from a position of strength as it helps keeps your competitors at arms length and you are also a more stable and atttactive proposition for players to come into. If you don’t then you run the risk of undoing all the hard work to get into that strong position and you have to drop down a rung or two and start the process again. And rinse and repeat.

But I think the current owners although they’d obviously like to win stuff are quite happy with where we are and ensure we take as little risks as possible when it comes to investing in the football side of the club.
 

wrd

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Bottom line is if a club wants to really challenge and win things then you have to take a calculated risk along the way.

Frustrating thing is we’ve put ourselves regularly in a position to challenge several times over the last 7 or 8 years. It’s not like being a mid table team and needing to go crazy to get there. We’ve had the opportunities to push on with a bit of investment and failed to do so.

The best time to invest is from a position of strength as it helps keeps your competitors at arms length and you are also a more stable and atttactive proposition for players to come into. If you don’t then you run the risk of undoing all the hard work to get into that strong position and you have to drop down a rung or two and start the process again. And rinse and repeat.

But I think the current owners although they’d obviously like to win stuff are quite happy with where we are and ensure we take as little risks as possible when it comes to investing in the football side of the club.

Well arguably it probably feels like the most profitable position, to be at the top table but without taking risks on player transfer or wages.
 

Shadydan

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I guess I don't agree with that nobody in their right mind comment, I felt we were in the race, I know Lamela did before Valentines day because that was the day we beat city that year and his quote came out before that game. Also your comment about 2011/12 about who is available and for the right price, we turned down signing suarez and ended up signing Nelson and Saha.

That Lamela quote came mid Feb as I mentioned when City and Arsenal dropped points and we were the only team picking up points to challenge Leicester. That is when I believe that the squad and the fans thought we were in a title race, in January everyone was happy to be challenging for a top four place and that was seemingly our target. It only became apparent that we were thrown into this title challenge by the media because we were the most consistent team to challenge Leicester.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...friend-win-league-replied-Argentine-star.html

Suarez only scored 4 goals in his first half season for Liverpool, one more than Saha did so signing a player of that caliber does not guarantee that it would have won us the league.
 

shelfmonkey

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Trippier deserves to be dropped based on his performance on Saturday. Toby on the other-hand was not great, but no where near as culpable as Trippier was. Trippier struggles against the high pressing, pacy teams that expose his lack of pace, both offensively and defensively. he got over hyped at World Cup for performances against second rate opposition.

Poch must be a charlatan then if he couldn't spot that flaw in Trippier's game and then play him against liverpool, and then make an example of him by leaving him out of the squad completely for tonight!
 

alfie103

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Poch strikes me as a guy who is incredibly principled. If he is messed about that much by Levy he will walk out on his contract

Whether that means losing millions and having to go on gardening leave etc etc

OR

If our current (minor) problems escalate (ie we slip further down the league, player injuries increase, more issues with NWHL and we spend the new year at Wembley and zero or 1 or 2 second rate signings in January) then Pochs press conferences could become more and more negative and toxic which could force Levy's hand into sacking him

Poch pretty much has the pick of clubs around the world to go and manage. This situation is very much more worrying for Levy, the supporters and Tottenham, than it is for Mauricio Pochettino

Oh what a jolly post!!

Does he? I think Poch is fantastic but has he won a trophy as a manager?
 

jurgen

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Does he? I think Poch is fantastic but has he won a trophy as a manager?

Yes because those clubs will be able to put his achievements in context. Yes he could have won a trophy with us as we should have been good enough, but I think to get 3/2/3 in the richest league with Levy as your chairman is pretty bonkers frankly.

I really can't see him moving down the food chain after us.
 

Gassin's finest

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Does he? I think Poch is fantastic but has he won a trophy as a manager?
Where has he managed? Espanyol, where he took them from doomed to top half of the table in the same season, beating Guardiola's Barcelona twice.

Southampton, where he took a recently promoted team, struggling to tread water, and made them arguably the best footballing side for two seasons.

And Tottenham, where he took a club without identity, in danger of falling apart, and changed the entire culture and personality of the club, getting us into a final in his first season, and making us genuine title contenders for the first time in over 50 years.

Trophies aren't the only measure. Any competition can be measured in trophies, but a sports' measure and wealth is in it's nuances and it's enjoyment... and in that measure, Pochettino is one of the very best.
 
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JollyHappy

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Poch is clearly unhappy at the moment but also said before the season started that this year will be the hardest of all with the stadium move and the WC hangover.

There are a whole lot of things going wrong.

Kane losing form and the stadium fiasco have made things worse.

Smaller things like Lloris's escapades don't help and I also think that Eriksen and Alli may be playing hard ball on their new contracts which will be upsetting him as well as he hates any sign of disloyalty.

He also has to make do with Toby, Rose and Dembele who all wanted to leave over the summer and whilst he says it is a clean book, he will not have 100% trust in them any longer.

The main problem is that if Poch is not his usual motivating self then that filters down to the players as the team is a reflection of Poch's philosophy (that word hasn't been used this season at all!).

Hopefully he can battle through the next few games and then pick the players up.
 

yankspurs

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Poch is clearly unhappy at the moment but also said before the season started that this year will be the hardest of all with the stadium move and the WC hangover.

There are a whole lot of things going wrong.

Kane losing form and the stadium fiasco have made things worse.

Smaller things like Lloris's escapades don't help and I also think that Eriksen and Alli may be playing hard ball on their new contracts which will be upsetting him as well as he hates any sign of disloyalty.

He also has to make do with Toby, Rose and Dembele who all wanted to leave over the summer and whilst he says it is a clean book, he will not have 100% trust in them any longer.

The main problem is that if Poch is not his usual motivating self then that filters down to the players as the team is a reflection of Poch's philosophy (that word hasn't been used this season at all!).

Hopefully he can battle through the next few games and then pick the players up.
It all boils down to the cheap bald one who cant back a manager
 
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