The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[buckley]

Poch has been his normal self the players have not and look tired jaded and without confidence the doubters of Poch need their brain tested and should come with these harsh words at the end of the season after all there is a long way to go and time to turn things around if things are still this bad then they can have a deserved pop but until then for gods sake give Poch and the boys time to change things around.This blame game is getting on my nerves just wait until the season end and then start with the "who to blame and whose fault it is"

 

[ardiles&villa]

Seems to me that people are resorting to their default mindset of blaming Levy for the transfer window when the truth is staring them in the face that Poch is the one who fucked up the window.

Or maybe that’s the spin that the club would love you to believe? At the end of the day, you can talk till the cows come home and base your opinion on all the itk in the world about this transfer window and the others but the facts are facts. ENICs pattern of behaviour is the same. They haven’t backed any of the managers as and when they should have. They haven’t shown the ambition they should have on the field and anything they have done which is good has only ever been for a commercial aspect, which is for there own benefit.

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

He’s off next season. You heard it here first.

I’ve heard this 50 plus times in the last 24 hours alone.

 

[Shadydan]

Or maybe that’s the spin that the club would love you to believe?

Nah I know club spin when I see it, like the £150m investment I didn't believe from day one.

I've heard from too many people and the articles that I've read that Poch turned down a few players that he was offered that could have helped the squad.

 

[spursfan77]

I find it confusing when Poch rejects certain signings.

He inherited Dier, Rose and a group of players who may not have been deemed good enough by other clubs. His biggest strength has always been making decent players brilliant players, so if we can't sign a Kovacic he should be accepting of others who may improve with his coaching.

Because he’s rubbish in the transfer market. The majority of our decent players were here beforehand or were bought on the back of other people’s recommendations. Eg Dele by Pleat and Lucas by Hitchen to name but two.

 

[spursfan77]

Nah I know club spin when I see it, like the £150m investment I didn't believe from day one.

I've heard from too many people and the articles that I've read that Poch turned down a few players that he was offered that could have helped the squad.

Only an idiot believed we had £150 million to spend last summer. It was never true.

 

[ardiles&villa]

Nah I know club spin when I see it, like the £150m investment I didn't believe from day one.

I've heard from too many people and the articles that I've read that Poch turned down a few players that he was offered that could have helped the squad.

But that doesn’t really fit in with the quotes that we need to be brave in the transfer market does it ?

 

[SlotBadger]

He’s off next season. You heard it here first.

Sorry mate, but a few of my Arsenal and West Ham-supporting mates called this after his first win as Spurs boss.

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

Seems to me that people are resorting to their default mindset of blaming Levy for the transfer window when the truth is staring them in the face that Poch is the one who fucked up the window.

I respect your opinions Shadydan but to me it sounds as though Poch’s interpretation of being ‘brave’ (ugh- sick of that word), was being stubborn/specific with DL in the transfer window. Levy in turn, seems to have been calling Poch’s bluff by offering him cheaper players he didn’t want, rather than spending ‘way over’, as all the other top teams spent.

Maybe Poch’s stubbornness is the reason we don’t have any of the B-list players he didn’t want. But it’s down to Levy to bring in the players the manager wants, so that we can start winning some fucking trophies. Levy seems to expect everybody else around him to be flexible, but absolutely refuses to change his own way of thinking, even with employees such as Poch who have made his company millions and millions and millions of pounds.

 

[ardiles&villa]

I respect your opinions Shadydan but to me it sounds as though Poch’s interpretation of being ‘brave’ (ugh- sick of that word), was being stubborn/specific with DL in the transfer window. Levy in turn, seems to have been calling Poch’s bluff by offering him cheaper players he didn’t want, rather than spending ‘way over’, as all the other top teams spent.

Maybe Poch’s stubbornness is the reason we don’t have any of the B-list players he didn’t want. But it’s down to Levy to bring in the players the manager wants, so that we can start winning some fucking trophies. Levy seems to expect everybody else around him to be flexible, but absolutely refuses to change his own way of thinking, even with employees such as Poch who have made his company millions and millions and millions of pounds.

This.

 

[daryl hannah]

Nah I know club spin when I see it, like the £150m investment I didn't believe from day one.

I've heard from too many people and the articles that I've read that Poch turned down a few players that he was offered that could have helped the squad.

care to name these players?

Joao Mario?

Lol.

 

[Legacy]

Because he’s rubbish in the transfer market. The majority of our decent players were here beforehand or were bought on the back of other people’s recommendations. Eg Dele by Pleat and Lucas by Hitchen to name but two.

That's how a scouting network works though? Every player that gets signed will be on the back of other people's recommendations. Or do you think Pochettino spends 8 hours a day scouting players from around Europe?

 

[Jules_PF]

Because he’s rubbish in the transfer market. The majority of our decent players were here beforehand or were bought on the back of other people’s recommendations. Eg Dele by Pleat and Lucas by Hitchen to name but two.

This.

No one will ever know unless Levy does a tell all expose, but the lack of transfer activity last window could be because Levy does not trust Poch 100% with transfers.

Janssen, Sissoko, Llorente, N'Jie, Nkoudou, all pretty much wasted time and funds. Academy players unrest, we have some great prospects at the club who want out and are courted by good clubs.. Isn't Poch supposed to be great with the youth players? Who has come through? Winks?

Poch has done a good job overall, but has had the advantage of a very poor Arsenal and a transitioning Man United. Thus top 4 was 'easier'.

Just my two cents..........

..............I'll get my coat.

 

[stevenurse]

I think we've finally broken him. He's changed so much, even from the end of last season. It's like he was bitten by an evil insect and has turned into 'dark poch'.

Seems grumpy, intolerant and stubborn. His last few press conferences have all been confrontational. Yes it will be in large part to the dickhead journalists but doesn't seem himself. Even down to black suit etc

 

[The Doc]

What are we saying here? I thought there was a panel which identified and agreed player a, b and c for specific positions. Did Poch refuse to entertain b then, or was he pushed d, e and f? Neither would reflect well on the dynamic if this is the case.

There's another thing about progression.

When he arrived, he was almost forced to stick Mason and Bentaleb in as the "beatles" were getting the chord sequences all wrong. You could arguably add Harry, Dele (even he has stated his initial aim was to get 10 apps under his belt in his first season) and Dier in a new midfield position to that list. So, does he revert to the age groups and Dele type "prospects" again, which implies we are not realistically trying to win the league, or are we supposed to be past that point in the club's development, when 1st team ready players are needed to augment what we have in order to challenge (seriously) for the league?

Appreciate this all ignores how much money we really have, hg factors, wc, fatigue, etc or whether he is simply playing the wrong formation for what he has at his disposal (but, money/hg factor aside, that's about the short-term and current sequence of results). Answer to the above is significant for the long-term.

 

[SpursDave88]

I think we've finally broken him. He's changed so much, even from the end of last season. It's like he was bitten by an evil insect and has turned into 'dark poch'.

Seems grumpy, intolerant and stubborn. His last few press conferences have all been confrontational. Yes it will be in large part to the dickhead journalists but doesn't seem himself. Even down to black suit etc

He could replace Mourinho as the emo boy in the Guardian

 

[thebenjamin]

What do you mean by proper ambition?

The club were looking at a number of players in the Summer, but Porch only interested in fraction of them. By showing proper ambition I assume you mean get the players in Porch wanted. Not sure how you can force Yanited to sell us Martial and Ajax said DeJong wasn't going either. Grealish was the only one we really fucked up on, and would that really be classed as showing proper ambition?
Like I said the list of players Porch wanted was short but it wasn't like they were all readily available. Personally I think DeJong could have been done if we over paid, but I doubt Martial was the same.

By proper ambition I mean use the summer transfer window to improve the playing squad from one season to the next.

I simply don't believe that there isn't a player on the planet earth that the 10th richest club in the world could afford, and Pochettino would like in his squad. It isn't credible.

 

[worcestersauce]

Has anybody else noticed than when we are not doing well Poch is off at the end of the season but if we're doing well Poch is off at the end of the season.

 

[mpickard2087]

So easy to just throw around all the transfer stuff and that it would be a magic pill.

We lost last night in large down to factors within Poch's control. Making a poor substitution, taking off who was our main attacking runner and threat, that had the effect of signalling to the rest of the team it was time to shell and sit on the 1-0 lead and invite pressure (when Inter at this point were causing us virtually zero problems). This backfired spectacularly.

Defending set pieces is embarrassing (our attacking ones aren't much better and show zero imagination, but that's for another time), it hasn't been great throughout his time at the club and currently is plummeting to new depths. Clearly very little of his famous double/triple training sessions are being spent on them, might be time to look at that........

I'd have sympathy for a manager if they were giving absolutely everything - making correct decisions, covered damn near every aspect of the game and got his team well drilled, and getting absolutely 100% out of their resources. Then you might bemoan luck or blame whatever backing they are/aren't getting..... But last nights result was down to poor decision making and inadequate coaching/preparation in a fundamental aspect of the game, and follow on from a number of (in my opinion) bad decisions already this season. So the "boo hoo, poor Poch" sentiments can fuck right off currently.

 

[gerishep]

Or maybe that’s the spin that the club would love you to believe? At the end of the day, you can talk till the cows come home and base your opinion on all the itk in the world about this transfer window and the others but the facts are facts. ENICs pattern of behaviour is the same. They haven’t backed any of the managers as and when they should have. They haven’t shown the ambition they should have on the field and anything they have done which is good has only ever been for a commercial aspect, which is for there own benefit.

Agree with this. When we are in a great position to move forward we fail to do so. Harry Redkapp & now Poch.