The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Thewobbler]

If you drop 2 players like Alderweireld and Trippier without a reason, questions will be asked. Poch should know this. They will ask again if we lose and thy did and he went off on one.

 

[aussiespursguy]

After that I’d take a nil nil against Brighton.

We need a clean sheet badly.

We need Hugo for that! We lost that game to Liverpool on Vorms back. Hardly Poch's fault, although maybe Gazza could have been tried. Couldn't do any worse.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Just tell them all to fuck off, Mo...

 

[aussiespursguy]

Poch needs to get back to basics, for the good of the players. Play the system that works, and that's 4-2-3-1. Lets keep it simple the next few weeks. Must win the next 2 league games and play well. Get that winning feeling back.

All this talk of replacing him is frankly frightening. What the hell could we end up with? I'll stick with what we have, just keep it simple Poch.

 

[hellava_tough]

Poch needs to get back to basics, for the good of the players. Play the system that works, and that's 4-2-3-1. Lets keep it simple the next few weeks. Must win the next 2 league games and play well. Get that winning feeling back.

All this talk of replacing him is frankly frightening. What the hell could we end up with? I'll stick with what we have, just keep it simple Poch.

It's not exactly talk of replacing him

It's about him leaving at the end of the season, or having a massive bust up with Levy, or completely losing the plot, or all three

I don't think anyone on here actively wants him gone

 

[aussiespursguy]

It's not exactly talk of replacing him

It's about him leaving at the end of the season, or having a massive bust up with Levy, or completely losing the plot, or all three

I don't think anyone on here actively wants him gone

Oh i agree with you. Just I'm coming from 15 pages back, and quite frankly, its scary.

 

[hakano]

Poch is the best thing that has happened to this club in the last 20 yrs. He has taken us with limited backing to heights we never expected in a short period of time. We are living the consequences of a shambolic summer from the those at the very top. Levy & co have fcuked up royally and are hiding, Poch can not hide and he is just now showing his frustrations. He needs to learn how to handle the media better when the going gets tough otherwise they will make sure he fails.

 

[SpursDave88]

I think he will go at the end of the season irrespective of what we achieve this year.

Obviously I hope he doesn't - but sadly I think he will regard it as a failure when he doesn't win anything here.

 

[shelfboy68]

I think he will go at the end of the season irrespective of what we achieve this year.

Obviously I hope he doesn't - but sadly I think he will regard it as a failure when he doesn't win anything here.

But what manager could win anything under the circumstances they have to work under mate it is kind of a cursed job, he has done well to achieve what he has given the resources available or not available as we have seen this summer.

 

[Shadydan]

I think he will go at the end of the season irrespective of what we achieve this year.

Obviously I hope he doesn't - but sadly I think he will regard it as a failure when he doesn't win anything here.

So the only manager to recently have succeeded at Spurs is Juande Ramos?

 

[dtxspurs]

I think we need announced signings he wants in the spring if he's staying for next season.

 

[aussiespursguy]

But what manager could win anything under the circumstances they have to work under mate it is kind of a cursed job, he has done well to achieve what he has given the resources available or not available as we have seen this summer.

The bold part is what he apparently turned down at Real Madrid.If any job was cursed that's it. And if you bother to read Trix's post, he had his wants. Martial being one. We all know he was unavailable. To blame Levy for everything is wrong. Sure he has his faults, but we would not be part of "the top six" if it wasn't for him.

 

[SpursDave88]

So the only manager to recently have succeeded at Spurs is Juande Ramos?

Where did I say that. I think Poch has done well with the meagre resources provided. He took us into the Champions League without spending any money whilst even lower mid table clubs spent fortunes but ultimately success is measured in trophies.

 

[Shadydan]

Where did I say that. I think Poch has done well with the meagre resources provided. He took us into the Champions League without spending any money whilst even lower mid table clubs spent fortunes but ultimately success is measured in trophies.

I'm just trying to find out how you measure 'success' seeing as you think Poch would be a failure if he didn't win a trophy at a club notorious for not winning trophies anyway?

 

[SpursDave88]

I'm just trying to find out how you measure 'success' seeing as you think Poch would be a failure if he didn't win a trophy at a club notorious for not winning trophies anyway?

I said he would regard it as a failure (as would the rest if the football world). Clearly you, like Daniel, regard not winning trophies as success. This is self feeding - as long as we as a club - and I mean the owners here - regard 4th place as a success - we will win nothing - ambitious players will leave and we will struggle to maintain even CL qualification. This is what happened with Bale and Modric and the same will happen with this group I believe. After the Leicester season - we have had 3 summers to strengthen the squad and we have not done so.

 

[shelfboy68]

The bold part is what he apparently turned down at Real Madrid.If any job was cursed that's it. And if you bother to read Trix's post, he had his wants. Martial being one. We all know he was unavailable. To blame Levy for everything is wrong. Sure he has his faults, but we would not be part of "the top six" if it wasn't for him.

It's a cursed job because of the pressure of winning madrids percentage rate of winning something each year must be quite high surely 80-90% likely to win a pot, but at spurs it's minimal at best so of course the Madrid job is tougher.
But I was actually saying that there is no point in losing poch because what top manager with big aspirations would come to us so better off with what we have imo.

 

[Shadydan]

I said he would regard it as a failure (as would the rest if the football world). Clearly you, like Daniel, regard not winning trophies as success. This is self feeding - as long as we as a club - and I mean the owners here - regard 4th place as a success - we will win nothing - ambitious players will leave and we will struggle to maintain even CL qualification. This is what happened with Bale and Modric and the same will happen with this group I believe. After the Leicester season - we have had 3 summers to strengthen the squad and we have not done so.

So you've pretty much answered my question in regards to Juande Ramos, no need to go through all those lengths just to sugarcoat it in waffle.

 

[SpursDave88]

So you've pretty much answered my question in regards to Juande Ramos, no need to go through all those lengths just to sugarcoat it in waffle.

Not really - you are being somewhat asinine.

I wouldn't regard Ramos as successful either since he only won one league cup (which I don't regard as a major trophy anyway) and almost got us relegated.

I would say that Poch had been a lot more successful than Ramos at Spurs on a relative basis - I think that's obvious - But that neither would be considered successful in absolute terms.

So rather than try and twist was I'm saying in order to claim that I'm implying that Ramos is more successful than Poch - which is obviously wrong - how about we concentrate on the facts, which are:

1. Levy has not backed Poch with the funds his achievements thus far have warranted.

2. Poch has also done poorly with the tools at his disposal thus far this season given how poor our performances have been.

Obviously 1 mitigates 2 and I think it shows that football is really a confidence game and at the moment it is hard to see how we turn it around for our short term or even long term benefit ( given players ages and contract situations).

Sadly it seems Levy has screwed Poch over and it's difficult to see a good outcome for Tottenham.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Personally I believe we really need to start thinking about getting a qulity DOF. Levy and Poch seem to be a disaster zone when it comes to transfers. I can fully believe Poch being stubborn on his targets but also Levy offering Poch Z list alternatives. I also very much question our ability to identify talent outside of the PL, Ajax and PSG. I think Poch should stick to the man management and let someone else, who both Poch and Levy can develop a close relationship with, deal with transfers.

Yes Poch’s management has been questionable so far, but really, what has he actually had to work with? Lamela and Son both out, Lloris getting pissed up, Kane turning in to Casper the midfield ghost, Dier and Davies forgetting how to play football and Dembele with two legs in the football grave. That’s aside from any contract shenanigans that may or may not be bubbling under the surface. It’s hardly surprising we have looked disjointed.

Fact is, our team wasn’t good enough last season and all our rivals strengthened. Not making improvements to our team, that already was starting to show some cracks, was crazy. And now on top of this we have to deal with the very real prospect of selling Eriksen next summer. If someone doesn’t step up I do wonder how full our fantastic(ly expensive) new stadium will be like next year. Poch can be, and must be blamed in part, but the larger part rests firmly on Levy’s shoulders.

I still believe Poch can turn it around on the pitch but I can’t see anything other then a battle for fourth as our primary target now. As it stands we are many miles away from teams like City and Liverpool, mentally as much as talent wise.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

care to name these players?

Joao Mario?

Lol.

Or an injured Andre Gomes, as confirmed by various itk; an offer we made on deadline day. Lovely stuff