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Gb160

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I agree with that, Marty, but the garbage that is West Ham shouldn't be the yardstick by which we measure our ambition is it mate.
Even you must admit that the difference in the clubs is largely down to the difference in current owners mate?
 

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Nah mate, unfortunately for us, it seems that spending money in an attempt to achieve sporting success assumes too many vagaries and uncertainties for ENIC's liking. For Lewis & Levy, investing heavily in "commodities" as untenable as footballers caries far greater risk than investing in bricks and mortar. The return on this property development will be huge for ENIC, regardless.
They don't need a league winning team to facilitate that return; just a relatively competitive one.
If what you're suggesting were true, surely ENIC would have viewed the windows of opportunity to kick on and secure those one or two important additions to challenge for honours as an absolute imperative. Historically they never have, and this latest window indicates that isn't likely to change anytime soon. Just look at the evidence of the last God knows how many "net-spend" seasons: it's clear that investment in the football team is subordinate to investment in the NWHL. That's where the funds are directed, while Levy predominantly scraps around for cheap opportunist grabs and young low risk bargains with resale value. Have no doubt, mate, Levy & ENIC view the stadium development as the best way to increase the value of the club and make themselves richer. The NPD - not the football team - is their priority.
And once we spend all that money chasing what is in no way a guarantee of a title, and we fail to win anything, and we've not redeveloped our stadium and our best players either retire or leave for greener pastures what is your plan then?

Restart the rebuilding process from where we were 5-10 years ago and hope we get to the same place competitively but still with no guarantee of winning jack? At least by increasing our financial muscle we have a chance of remaining competitive past the next 3 years.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to offer a competing perspective to the one everyone seems to be having, namely that we would be guaranteed some sort of bright future with titles and all in the next few years if we only spent all that money in the chase of it.
 
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Even you must admit that the difference in the clubs is largely down to the difference in current owners mate?
Oh I agree, Gb, our owners are definitely better than theirs. But that's hardly the greatest of achievements, mate; a bit like being told you're the world's tallest dwarf! ? Hope you're well, my ENIC loving friend! Encouraging win today ? Let's hope for more of the same. All the best to you and yours mate.
 

Gb160

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Oh I agree, Gb, our owners are definitely better than theirs. But that's hardly the greatest of achievements, mate; a bit like being told you're the world's tallest dwarf! ? Hope you're well, my ENIC loving friend! Encouraging win today ? Let's hope for more of the same. All the best to you and yours mate.
Come on Johnny boy, no need to bring DL's height into this !
 
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And once we spend all that money chasing what is in no way a guarantee of a title, and we fail to win anything, and we've not redeveloped our stadium and our best players either retire or leave for greener pastures what is your plan then?

Restart the rebuilding process from where we were 5-10 years ago and hope we get to the same place competitively but still with no guarantee of winning jack? At least by increasing our financial muscle we have a chance of remaining competitive past the next 3 years.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to offer a competing perspective to the one everyone seems to be having, namely that we would be guaranteed some sort of bright future with titles and all in the next few years if we only spent all that money in the chase of it.

Even with money in the bank, Chelsea have shown that the "buy a team" approach is nothing but short-termism.

Imagine being Abramovich and sinking £1bn in on players and managers, only for them to not just drop out of the top 4, but the top 6 every season they don't sink mega money into a window. Liverpool and City have been no different.

Consistency comes from the correct approach to building imo - that comes from using your academy, creating a connection between the players and the club, all long term plans.
 
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Even with money in the bank, Chelsea have shown that the "buy a team" approach is nothing but short-termism.

Imagine being Abramovich and sinking £1bn in on players and managers, only for them to not just drop out of the top 4, but the top 6 every season they don't sink mega money into a window. Liverpool and City have been no different.

Consistency comes from the correct approach to building imo - that comes from using your academy, creating a connection between the players and the club, all long term plans.
Yeah, damn that pesky "short-termism". I mean what has it ever brought the teams you mention but trophies, titles and a few Champions League finals! Much better to do things "correctly" by "consistently" waiting ....for that "long term plan" to finally be realised. Eventually. In the future. As if by then, and done with the "correct approach", those elusive titles would assume more value or merit because our owners "did things properly" and chose to spend money on real estate instead of quality footballers.
"In the long term we're all dead", said Keynes (an economist, ironically) and I think he has a point.
 

daryl hannah

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Even with money in the bank, Chelsea have shown that the "buy a team" approach is nothing but short-termism.

Imagine being Abramovich and sinking £1bn in on players and managers, only for them to not just drop out of the top 4, but the top 6 every season they don't sink mega money into a window. Liverpool and City have been no different.

Consistency comes from the correct approach to building imo - that comes from using your academy, creating a connection between the players and the club, all long term plans.
Chelsea have won the prem what 6 times? The CL once and the Europa League once. Is that really short term success? They keep on doing it. City, also experiencing multiple successes within our lifetime. Chelsea have something like 50m followers on social media. Spurs have about 8m.

That's what winning multiple titles can do for your club. Leicester won't win it again any time soon, but speaking to a Leicester local, the fans are still celebrating a couple of years down the line.

Chelsea are also doing well on player trading - so FFP isn't really a problem for them - perhaps until this year. Sell Hazard next year, though, and they're fine again.
 

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Why do we have to play the same way all the time? 2-0 up away and we are still pushibg our back 4 up and wing backs are pushing. One pass and they were through past our wingbacks. Why wont we fall off and safely ride the game out. Same thing vs lpool, rarely we adjust our shape to the game.
 

daryl hannah

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Brave New World: Inside Pochettino’s Spurs, the behind-the-scenes story at the club in the manager’s own words, has been updated to take in the events of last season, in which the club finished third in the Premier League but failed to end their trophy drought.

Author Guillem Balague writes in June 2018 (p. 277-278) how matters had come to a head between Pochettino and chairman Daniel Levy even though the manager had signed a new five-year contract the previous month.

“Levy had to do one of two things, either get rid of certain players and replace them with others who were good enough or look for another coach,” Balague explains. “The renewal of his contract at the end of May was the consequence of some tough, but totally necessary, conversations that took place and was an indication of how the club responded to his demands.

“It was now time to set about renewing the dream by bringing in a new energy in the shape of players of the highest possible calibre.

“The 2018-19 season would not be like the last. The club had to admit that it had made mistakes and they needed to learn from them. Bravery can sometimes be at its best when the accelerator is pressed to the floor.”

https://thisisfutbol.com/2018/09/bl...y-transfer-blank-suggests-poch-is-on-his-way/
 

Gb160

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Why do we have to play the same way all the time? 2-0 up away and we are still pushibg our back 4 up and wing backs are pushing. One pass and they were through past our wingbacks. Why wont we fall off and safely ride the game out. Same thing vs lpool, rarely we adjust our shape to the game.
Like the Inter game?
 

doctor stefan Freud

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Brave New World: Inside Pochettino’s Spurs, the behind-the-scenes story at the club in the manager’s own words, has been updated to take in the events of last season, in which the club finished third in the Premier League but failed to end their trophy drought.

Author Guillem Balague writes in June 2018 (p. 277-278) how matters had come to a head between Pochettino and chairman Daniel Levy even though the manager had signed a new five-year contract the previous month.

“Levy had to do one of two things, either get rid of certain players and replace them with others who were good enough or look for another coach,” Balague explains. “The renewal of his contract at the end of May was the consequence of some tough, but totally necessary, conversations that took place and was an indication of how the club responded to his demands.

“It was now time to set about renewing the dream by bringing in a new energy in the shape of players of the highest possible calibre.

“The 2018-19 season would not be like the last. The club had to admit that it had made mistakes and they needed to learn from them. Bravery can sometimes be at its best when the accelerator is pressed to the floor.”

https://thisisfutbol.com/2018/09/bl...y-transfer-blank-suggests-poch-is-on-his-way/
Consolidates what many of us suspected. But there are two confusing aspects here: how has this been written and published in book form so quickly (I can’t find anything about the release of an updated edition online anywhere) and why play Alderweireld and Rose so frequently if they don’t buy into the ‘dream’ anymore- why should Sanchez or KWP suffer game time for someone who Poch wants rid of? Seems very un-Poch. The club fully endorsed the first edition, I can’t imagine them doing the same with this one.

But, if it is true, Levy has royally fucked up in not delivering on what he agreed upon after six months of contract discussions.
 
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daryl hannah

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Consolidates what many of us suspected. But there are two confusing aspects here: how has this been written and published in book form so quickly (I can’t find anything about the release of an updated edition release date online anywhere) and why play Alderweireld and Rose so frequently if they don’t buy into the ‘dream’ anymore- why should Sanchez or KWP suffer game time for someone who Poch wants rid of? Seems very un-Poch. The club fully endorsed the first edition, I can’t imagine them doing the same with this one.

But, if it is true, Levy has royally fucked up in not delivering on what he agreed upon after six months of contract discussions.
I think Alderweireld and Rose comes down to one of two things - firstly no replacements in and need to rotate, and secondly, need to keep their value up for possible January transfer. Think Poch has had to swallow his pride. No other options. It's possible Sanchez was being rested after world cup for appearance in the CL. ITK told us there was no interest in Toby other than Utd.
 

hakano

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Consolidates what many of us suspected. But there are two confusing aspects here: how has this been written and published in book form so quickly (I can’t find anything about the release of an updated edition online anywhere) and why play Alderweireld and Rose so frequently if they don’t buy into the ‘dream’ anymore- why should Sanchez or KWP suffer game time for someone who Poch wants rid of? Seems very un-Poch. The club fully endorsed the first edition, I can’t imagine them doing the same with this one.

But, if it is true, Levy has royally fucked up in not delivering on what he agreed upon after six months of contract discussions.

I think the update is only a chapter and for the paoerback version. If you go to Amazon it gives you the release date.

It’s clear all is not well. Shame.
 
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I think the update is only a chapter and for the paoerback version. If you go to Amazon it gives you the release date.

It’s clear all is not well. Shame.
This is Futbol have the book already? Crap on a cracker.
 

doctor stefan Freud

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I think Alderweireld and Rose comes down to one of two things - firstly no replacements in and need to rotate, and secondly, need to keep their value up for possible January transfer. Think Poch has had to swallow his pride. No other options. It's possible Sanchez was being rested after world cup for appearance in the CL. ITK told us there was no interest in Toby other than Utd.
If that’s the case about Toby, if he’s not flogged in January, he’s going for 25 million in the summer anyway. I can definitely see Levy overpricing him and Rose. I just hope we scrap for the top four so we’re in a better position to face whatever comes our way next summer
 

dricha1

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Would appear we are in for a long, drawn out divorce....

Can’t believe Poch would have sanctioned the update whilst still an employee of the club? Could be deemed misconduct? No matter how crap your job is deemed to be, you can not speak out whilst still on the payroll?
 
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